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TrilliontonNixon posted:Alright this is pretty hosed up. If you want to do campaign work then just say so, don't loving deceive people who are focused on doing other work. Thats what I don’t like about all this. It’s not necessarily about policy disagreements, it’s how blatantly they seem to want to subsume DSA into being beholden to the Jacobin writing staff and their buddies without meaningful democratic input. If they want to argue for going all in on Bernie 2020 then do that, but reorganizing the chapters so dissenters don’t even get a say is lame.
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Lightning Knight posted:Thats what I don’t like about all this. It’s not necessarily about policy disagreements, it’s how blatantly they seem to want to subsume DSA into being beholden to the Jacobin writing staff and their buddies without meaningful democratic input. It's almost like this is the exact thing that the Columbia Falls statement is addressing
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I don't understand why "don't treat people as means to an end" is so god dammed hard.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:It's almost like this is the exact thing that the Columbia Falls statement is addressing this seems to be a surprisingly controversial point
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Barry Convex posted:this seems to be a surprisingly controversial point I mean, that's as good a guess as any what it's about.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:05
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Venom Snake posted:a lot of these complaints about specific people seem kinda dumb to apply to entire active chapter. hello and welcome to the something awful forums DSA thread
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Jan 15, 2019 03:07
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Holy loving lol is this real life momentum and co: if you question us or do anything we haven't personally approved, you're a rich liberal elitist who doesn't care about poor people getting healthcare also momentum and co: who cares about m4a bullshit, just roll it all into daddy Bernie's campaign this lot is tarnishing Bernie's name by association tbqh
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Jan 15, 2019 03:08
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woke kaczynski posted:this lot is tarnishing Bernie's name by association tbqh 
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Jan 15, 2019 03:09
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Quick, someone quote Mao Zedong to prove that it's the 18th kind of liberalism to not want your socialist org to pull the Dem Party NGO front stunt of folding an issue campaign into a candidate's run for office.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:09
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GunnerJ posted:I mean, that's as good a guess as any what it's about. I know, it’s why I think the statement is cool and good (if imperfect)
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Jan 15, 2019 03:15
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repeating "it's bernie bitch" in increasingly hushed tones at the convention, lights turned off, candle in hand
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Jan 15, 2019 03:20
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the full momentum doc https://twitter.com/titusaaronicus/status/1084975063932252160?s=21 apparently a couple others leaked, but they’re not making the rounds aside from this quote https://twitter.com/alysonesque/status/1084960481234669568?s=21
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Jan 15, 2019 03:21
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R. Guyovich posted:repeating "it's bernie bitch" in increasingly hushed tones at the convention, lights turned off, candle in hand "id rather do housing rights" WHO SAID THAT
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Jan 15, 2019 03:23
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FoneBone posted:the full momentum doc lmao goddamn.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:27
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You can do more than one thing at once. Especially when you get more people to do more things. Also lol @ people calling it "Momentum's Secret Plan" as if there's some sort of East Bay Illuminati made up of the 6 Jewish Cops that are plotting to establish a New DSA Order
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Jan 15, 2019 03:27
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no you see it has to be all bernie all the time so when he wins it'll be because dsa provided 2 percent of his canvassers. that'll keep him honest!
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that loving document posted:"The other critical challenges will be limiting the damage done by resolutions that will seek to decrease the responsibilities of national DSA, decentralize power within DSA locals, and shift organizational resources toward pre-figurative and serve the people projects." Broke: democracy and helping the working class Woke: it's Bernie bitch Taintrunner posted:You can do more than one thing at once. Tell momentum lmao
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Jan 15, 2019 03:34
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R. Guyovich posted:no you see it has to be all bernie all the time so when he wins it'll be because dsa provided 2 percent of his canvassers. that'll keep him honest! I read the SECRET MOMENTUM PLAN and I doubt this is what anyone is suggesting
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Taintrunner posted:I read the SECRET MOMENTUM PLAN and I doubt this is what anyone is suggesting That's true, there is nothing in the doc to suggest that they even care about holding endorsed candidates accountable.
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Taintrunner posted:I read the SECRET MOMENTUM PLAN and I doubt this is what anyone is suggesting considering they used to say m4a should be the sole focus and the document is now saying m4a work should be folded into bernie work i don't think there should be any delusions about what that means
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FoneBone posted:the full momentum doc this feels like glorified larping at this point
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Jan 15, 2019 03:43
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These docs are so bad and make them look like such poo poo that I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's all a hoax. It's just too typical. But if it's real, lol, just lmao forever.
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Relatedly, isn’t Jacobin owned by some rich rear end in a top hat? I seem to recall a scandal last year when they bought a British (?) leftist magazine and the dude fired all the staff with no notice lmao.
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pretty bad but not seeing any other socialist groups out there that are not deranged cults
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Lightning Knight posted:Relatedly, isn’t Jacobin owned by some rich rear end in a top hat? I seem to recall a scandal last year when they bought a British (?) leftist magazine and the dude fired all the staff with no notice lmao. Jacobin is owned by this person: 
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GunnerJ posted:Jacobin is owned by this person: 
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GunnerJ posted:These docs are so bad and make them look like such poo poo that I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's all a hoax. It's just too typical. But if it's real, lol, just lmao forever. 
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Jan 15, 2019 03:58
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GunnerJ posted:Quick, someone quote Mao Zedong to prove that it's the 18th kind of liberalism to not want your socialist org to pull the Dem Party NGO front stunt of folding an issue campaign into a candidate's run for office. something about killing swallows but instead of birds its declarations by google doc
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also i'm having a lot of problems with my current org because the so-called "socialist night school" happens at 2 or 3pm, please advise
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Business Gorillas posted:also i'm having a lot of problems with my current org because the so-called "socialist night school" happens at 2 or 3pm, please advise push night school back to 6om or later op
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Lightning Knight posted:Relatedly, isn’t Jacobin owned by some rich rear end in a top hat? I seem to recall a scandal last year when they bought a British (?) leftist magazine and the dude fired all the staff with no notice lmao. He bought a defunct magazine's name and archives, and handed the former employees a check for back pay along with a pink slip. It's now Jacobin UK, which is better than being defunct but only barely.
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Business Gorillas posted:also i'm having a lot of problems with my current org because the so-called "socialist night school" happens at 2 or 3pm, please advise
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Business Gorillas posted:also i'm having a lot of problems with my current org because the so-called "socialist night school" happens at 2 or 3pm, please advise lmao what the gently caress? Is everyone in your org a NEET or something?
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Halloween Jack posted:My favourite kind of socialism are when some org I follow issues a CALL TO ACTION on Tuesday morning for something happening Tuesday afternoon.
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The point of pouring members and resources into the Bernie 2020 campaign is to turn some of millions of volunteers and supporters into socialists. It makes sense to fold M4A into it because M4A as a standalone isn't going to be as effective or meaningful when Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke, Kristin Gilibrand, and Joe Biden are all saying they're going to pass "a Medicare for all plan" (not actually Medicare for all, and definitely won't get any real effort after they're elected)
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Also I'm not sure what's so sinister about them wanting to take power, that's literally the point of politics and forming ideological caucuses, are we pretending that the other caucuses don't want themselves/their allied tendencies controlling the future of the DSA?
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Ace of Baes posted:Also I'm not sure what's so sinister about them wanting to take power, that's literally the point of politics and forming ideological caucuses, are we pretending that the other caucuses don't want themselves/their allied tendencies controlling the future of the DSA? Not every faction are centralists like momentum, no.
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