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Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Jack Del Huevos posted:

Is the only Colorado chapter the Boulder one? I'm down inbetween Denver and the Springs.

There's currently work underway to formally organize a chapter in Denver.

If you facebook or twitter, you can follow them at https://www.facebook.com/denverdemsocialists/ and https://twitter.com/thedenverdsa respectively.

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Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Ace of Baes posted:

Actually they're an official chapter afaik, they're just waiting to send in the paperwork.

Yeah, I mean we've got the numbers and are acting as a de facto chapter, but from the way I understood it we won't get "official" chapter status for a while, due to some various bureaucratic/admin stuff.

But either way, we're here, and it's cool to hear there is work being done in the Springs too.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
If you are not sure how to get a chapter off the ground, the best thing you can do is set up a Facebook page, a twitter handle, and an email account for it. If you provide the outlet, people will come to it. All you need is 5 people to start the official process, and 15 to get on the national website.

Pay your dues to the national office and then use their online submission to indicate that you would like to try and start a chapter in your area. They are pretty overwhelmed with everything at the moment, but if nothing else they can point you towards some intro/organizing webinars that help give you context and an intro to ground game for organizing.

Finally, reach out to the closest chapters in your area and let them know that you are trying to start a chapter a little closer to home. If you're lucky there might already be one or two other people close by that have been driving into the city(s) for meetings that would love to be somewhere a little close to home. It also allows the existing chapters to send appropriate new inquiries your way.

People are really receptive to the DSA's message right now, even in places that are usually written off as Regressive Dumbfukistan. Worst that happens is there's a dead facebook page and twitter handle six months down the line.

Also, in regards to spreading Socialist gospel to friends and fam, I've found in my centrist oriented family, a lot of folks are really resonating with how hosed up the healthcare system is. So maybe try that angle?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

blue squares posted:

People are super interested all around the country. Put up fliers and a facebook page, people will start sharing it, and people will show up.

Yeah, and if you are on a college campus you can organize around YDS (young dem soc) which has a lower membership threshold and might receive a little more help from the national office.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

mysterious frankie posted:

I paid dues last Thursday, am going to my first meeting this Wednesday (north side Chicago). The movement has gained a powerful amateur grade speed eater.

That's good cause we got a lot of rich folks to eat.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

logikv9 posted:

:siren: Hello DSA thread. :siren: Your lovely OP has organized a gangtag for those of you who have donated a minimum of $5 to the DSA, if you choose to have it.



If you would like it, please quote this post along side proof of a donation of sufficient quantity. Proof can be simply quoting an older post you made previously that itself contained donation proof, or if you are a new donor that wants it, quote this post alongside proof of that donation.

I can nearly guarantee that your title will be safe and sound underneath your avatars within five (5) business days, or whenever I check this thread, really. :hai:

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Ace of Baes posted:

I made a DSA today.

Like an OC or full blown chapter? Either way, good poo poo.

Man, if you can get a DSA chapter rolling there, folks can get one rolling anywhere.

edit: Also gently caress it, put me in the OP for CO DSA.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
Does anyone know if the national office has a rubric of some sort that they compare candidates against for endorsement purposes?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Ruzihm posted:

well being for all, even those that like provel cheese :anarchists:

No shame for provel, and I have no experience with it, but I found the google quick wiki summary funny.

Wikipedia posted:

Provel is a white processed cheese particularly popular in St. Louis cuisine, that is a combination of cheddar, Swiss, and provolone cheeses, and tastes nothing like any of them.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
A monthly subscription to a socialist org where most of the cash floats back to NYC national and then trickles back down sounds counter-revolutionary as gently caress and super against the de-centralized grassroots nature of the DSA.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Slanderer posted:

lmao talking about tools in a post-industrial society

Just replace the word "tool" with "factory" or "start-up"

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Ruzihm posted:

I must be having a brain fart. What is STP?

Serve The People. It's stuff like the brake light clinic or the Black Panther's breakfast programs for kids.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Impermanent posted:

different canvassing context - they do a lot of 'reach-in'.

Can you explain the difference between the two?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Phi230 posted:

I think I signed up for annual but I would like to just be a constant membership at a monthly rate

You can do monthly now.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
I mean, by that logic the image of the defiant Native American in face of the encroaching US is a bad symbol because the introduction of horses and guns were also tools of colonialism.

Like, it's not wrong, but man, the whole world has been shaped by colonialism. There's literally no escaping it's undertones in all facets of modern society. Sometimes bread just means we want to feed the world.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

achillesforever6 posted:

God steering committees can be really dumb
All the ecosocialist committee wanted to do was look in one of those adopt a highway things so we could have a "billboard" advertising the PGH DSA and also doing some good for no cost whatsoever; I don't think we needed to have a steering committee come in and say "Well now you got too wait for us to vote on it before you do it"

https://twitter.com/PatrickIber/status/715977802256883712

edit: "Spain in our Hearts" is a really good book and I think about this quote every week.

Greatbacon has issued a correction as of 04:05 on Jan 6, 2018

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Baby Babbeh posted:

Ignore the NPC, ignore national DSA, ignore twitter, focus on what your local is doing and you'll be a happier and more effective socialist.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Internet Explorer posted:

The tech people in our chapter are talking about starting an IWW union chapter for tech workers. :getin:

I can't join though. :(

In our lifetime, it'll all be worker co-ops, then we can all be managers :bernpop:

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Deified Data posted:

"Local DSA" for me amounts to a couple defunct Twitter accounts that haven't posted since last year - mostly just interested in being a monetary supporter. I would probably have to drive to Indianapolis to have any meaningful involvement otherwise.

Be the change in the world you want to see! It's big and scary, but if you set up a Facebook page, a twitter handle, and a wordpress site, you might be surprised (in a good way) who comes out to join you.

Even if that seems too daunting, reach out to the Indianapolis chapter. If nothing else you can at least get on the mailing list and be involved with any big actions they might have planned, and they might even be able to connect you with a few folks in your neck of the woods.

Whatever you choose though, I'm sure it'll be a solid choice.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
Not to get too off topic of DSA's NY politics, but does anyone happen to know if there are any of those DSA intro handout zines targeted towards labor/unions? The ones I'm thinking of can be printed on one page and they fold up into a nice little booklet to hand out. The one's I know of have titles like "What's Wrong with Capitalism", "What is socalist feminism?", and "What is queer liberation?"

Or if not, any good ideas/materials for something to handout at a labor oriented tabling event?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Baby Babbeh posted:

Most of those are DSA SF products, and to the best of my knowledge we haven't made anything related to labor yet, although it's a good idea. But you can make one yourself, they're actually really easy! Combine some graphics from the DSA Artsinal with about 250-400 words of text.

This is a guide to the style we use:

http://www.rookiemag.com/2012/05/how-to-make-a-zine/

All our zines are available publically here:

https://dsasf.org/category/resources/pamphlets/

Bless you conrad. I'll be sure to come back and share my labor with the thread.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Hostess Snack Cake posted:

should i go to the philly dsa general meeting this weekend? i have never had any contact with this organization but i want to be involved in political organizing and doing something in our hopeless hell world am a messy bitch who loves watching drama. please advice.

General meetings (typically) are pretty dry affairs. I'd recommend checking to see if there's some sort of intro to DSA or socialism or some sort of orientation meeting planned by the chapter happening soon, which will probably be a better starting point.

BUT! If not (or you are fired up enough to not wait) yeah go for it. If nothing else you can hear about what the chapters been doing, what they are going to be doing, and find someone who has their finger on the pulse on the chapter who can help plug you into a committee or working group or whatever, since that's where the real work gets done.

General meetings are important, but it's basically the equivalent of going to an all hands meeting at a company on your first day.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

The Dipshit posted:

Brake light clinics are cool and good. We fixed up about a dozen people and probably inspected triple that.

Also learned a bit about how organize a bit, and how doing outreach ahead of time is important.

Great praxis comrade

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

foonykins posted:

Awesome.

guess I’m a card carrying evil russian shill socialist monster now. when the time comes I have a real nice wall we can throw the capitalists against.


anyone have any advice on first steps to get involved? unfortunately I’m starting an apprenticeship in a few weeks which will have me working really odd hours, so I’m worried I might miss a bunch of meetings and actions, but I want to do whatever I can to help organize

Find your local chapters FB page or twitter and message them asking if they have any new member orientation stuff coming up or what kind of meetings they do have coming up and most importantly if there's a slack to poo poo post in.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

My employer is nationalized and work still sucks, I'm not sure what's going on here

Your workplace is still an organized hierarchy of workers against bosses. It's just that your bosses are stooges of the worst kind of boss, the taxpayer.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
"Using y'all is cultural appropriation" is some loving COINTEL bullshit if I've ever seen it

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Halloween Jack posted:

How come it's always Maoists and Hoxhaists and even Posadists and Lumumbists, but no Titoists? Thinking about becoming a Titoist.

:tito:

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

unbutthurtable posted:

by the way, if anyone thinks harassment in DSA is a bad thing, you should check this out and maybe sign it: https://twitter.com/fiverr_doula/status/1123782342894551040

I'm like 99% sure this is above board and I agree with the proposal, but that's still feels like lot of personal info to dump into a random Google Form...

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

TrilliontonNixon posted:

Yeah, I was thinking of something along these lines. We have two larger chapters in the state, but we haven't really been in contact with them.

Part of the problem is that our membership is split across two cities, so any time there's a meeting for anything like half of our members have to commit to an hour long commute.

Are there enough folks on both ends of the commute to make a branch/OC/chapter independent of each other (i.e. between 5 and 15 folks?)

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

PostNouveau posted:

Our candidate for Ag Commissioner didn't get to a runoff :(

Tops out of the 3 Dems running, but the incumbent got 57%.

Statewide was kinda a big race to take on as our first electoral action though. We probably should have tried a state house seat or something.
Good on ya for tackling such a huge project though! Do a post mortem, celebrate the successes in the struggle, learn from the failure, kick rear end in the next one.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
Candidate list was announced for the Democratic Socialist Labor Commission, so who's ready to star their 2020 with some Terminally Online National DSA Politics?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

christmas boots posted:

I can never remember which one which. that’s the one that rebranded itself like seven times right?

Yeah, they used to go by "Spring" and branded themselves as "Momentum" for their NPC election slate last year. They're also the ones that tend to complain about the horizontalism in the org and would probably try to implement democratic centralism if it weren't explicitly banned in the national bylaws.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

star eater posted:

B&R? I’m basically completely fresh faced here.


okay great. I really wanted to try an get a union going at my work this summer and am thinking of pushing for that again but much harder. just difficult starting from essentially square one and being in a state that has tons of anti union sentiment


makes sense. good to keep in mind.

B&R is Bread & Roses, one of a handful of caucuses that play around in the national politics space of the org. If you're just trying to get your feet wet, don't worry about it. The majority of the important work happens in local chapters and the immediate region anyway.

If you want to get involved with union stuff, check to see if your local chapter has a labor committee or working group, that might be a good place to get plugged in. If not, the general meeting, DSA 101s, or any other general interest meeting are usually a good way to get plugged in.

Also, I'm not a hardened organizer or union member, but I have some training materials and know the broad strokes of organizing campaigns if you want a friendly face to chat to about union stuff and at least help you get to square two or three.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
Yeah, our chapter has been boosting bail funds and donations to homeless people caught in the crossfire. There have been folks showing up to protests but no one is going as a DSA affiliate. Aside from those things, I think the best you can do is spread images of police brutality to your friends, boost the most radical black voices you can find in the crowd, and call your mayor to tell them they are a cuck and pig and that they have clearly lost control of the police force and should do a [parady]/[redacted] with the chief of police.

Also I see a lot of people are comparing this to 1968 but I was thinking about how back then a significant portion of the cities had hollowed out due to white flight at that point. The cities have filled back up over the last two decades and a lot of nice, white, liberals who have never had a negative interaction with a cop are now seeing this poo poo down the block from them, or seeing it pop up on social media feeds of friends or journalists they trust. I heard a story from someone downtown on Saturday about a couple that opened their door to go for a walk or something and there were two cops pointing guns in their faces accusing them of harboring protestors. They hadn't been, but they sure as poo poo spent the rest of the night doing it.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
Is anyone here in a chapter that was big enough that the chapter either established branches or split up into smaller geographic chapters? Or at least has an idea of which chapters have gone through this process?

I think our chapter has reached that point and I want to pick people's brains on what worked and what didn't.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

unbutthurtable posted:

I believe they did used to post here but stepped back when they joined the npc. Honestly they may not have been a regular poster but popped in to say hello after the convention or something? Either way, I think they said they were not going to be active in the thread for sake of impartiality/not favoring the specific things that get brought up in this thread? I could be wrong though.

But that case is a chapter forming out of another chapter. In the case of branching, I think NYC, Chicago, and LA at least have branches. Metro DC may as well. I think LA is in the process of starting a fourth branch in the San Gabriel Valley.

What kinds of questions did you have? I did a lot of the bylaws writing back when NYC was adding a ton of branches like three years ago.

Mostly just looking for example structures of what people put together & trying to find inspiration or paths to follow.

For context, we just changed our bylaws structure this year. We've got a steering committee of elected officers that handle like, the day to day admin of the chapter (co-chairs, treasurer, secretary, comms, membership, coordination, & fundraising) & an organizing council that consists of the steering committee & an elected representative from each of our formal committees (those handle strategic campaigns like labor, housing, healthcare, ecosocialism, etc.).

Mostly I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of either subdividing into branches within the existing chapter & what that might look like alongside the formal & social implications of formally splitting chunks off into new chapters.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Sylink posted:

My local county chapter has been defunct for a while, it seems due to typical issues of no one showing the gently caress up and wanting to do things.

I'm trying to revitalize it, and the person left behind as the chapter chair is communicating and willing to help. They m ay want out of the job, plus a regional organizer in Chicago is helping to pull any info they have about dues paying people in our county (chapters are by county here since its rural-ish Ohio, though we have some city chapters).

I want to turn it into a proper local activist group focused on local issues or at least any national concerns in a purely local context.

Any general advice for getting people to show up and do things? I want to at least schedule one physical action a month as a group, which can be as simple as picking up trash or improving some park. Though a lot will be restricted due to pandemic.

To me it sounds like people want to get the DSA together and canvas for M4A or whatever. While laudable, no one gives a gently caress about that locally. So I figure we can make friends and influence people by focusing on local area concerns.

Honestly, just picking an area and picking up trash sounds like a great idea. It's simple, low logistical overhead & low stakes, and still makes an impact even if you're the only one doing it.

The other thing to do is maybe organize trainings/education opportunities of some sort. Anything to keep people talking, practicing their organizing skills, and keep coming back.

There might also be some people who complain that the work the chapter is doing isn't "important" enough, so encourage them to organize a contingent to go work with some other local activist group. Start building the connections for coalition actions in the future. Have there been any labor actions (strikes, sit downs, etc.) in your county around COVID? Reach out and see if they could use a hand.

As for nuts and bolts of it, good organizers spend like 90% of their time in a spread sheet of names and phone numbers. Maybe it's a petition that was circulated earlier on something, maybe it's just the membership list for your chapter. Either way, you gotta do turnout to events; text or call people to see if they can make it & let 'em know you're excited for them to show up.

Greatbacon has issued a correction as of 15:40 on Sep 3, 2020

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

FrancisFukyomama posted:

how are everyone’s chapters doing now that the election is over and we can put aside electoralism for a while? the Biden White House+ GOP judiciary & senate makes me think the DSA priority on the local level should be mutual aid and community organizing, since there’s not going to be any Covid aid coming and at this rate they might not even extend rent relief.
Soup kitchens and breakfast programs seem like the way to go for the next two years while the dems handle the mess they made for themselves by eating poo poo in the election

Our electoral committee is already gearing up for the next city council race in a few years, but yeah, I think the next few months for us are going to be focused on some rest & recovery while also putting comrades in touch with other comrades who are in the same council districts/wards/suburbs.

Also if you don't have some sort of orientation/onboarding/1:1 program for new members you should start building it out today.

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Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

kitten emergency posted:

it's probably no great loss but i'd at least hope it's instructive to people in other states about where the 'big tent' actually stops and who it covers. I don't have much of an opinion on the "should the DSA be A Party" question other than to point out that in the event that you did see some sort of DSA takeover of the national party, the same dynamic would almost surely take effect and the careerists/centrists/whateverists would simply go form succ voltron somewhere else.

i suppose the instructive part here is that you don't gain much by "taking over" the party, because you're going to be left with a hollowed-out shell that probably won't even be able to control ballot access, because the cast-offs will be able to leverage their existing connections in order to get dems 2.0 added to the ballot.

I mean, I do think that control of Politcal #Brands (especially the Democratic party) does yield some power. I don't think that if Bernie sanders had run purely as an independent or as some third-party PSL candidate he would gave gotten as much attention or built as much momentum as he did doing it under the banner of the Democratic Party. I think for me at least it was very much the thing that opened the door on my political journey of "just how the gently caress do things get done around here?". And I feel like after I learned that the Dem party wasn't the right answer, DSA was the brand that was next in line.

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