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gohmak posted:Actress Cara Gee. There is no character name given but I'm pretty sure it's Michio Pa My bet is that she's Drummer, Tycho's chief of security, but given the changes between show and books it's really hard to say.
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Alien life might not even interact with us in a way that's familiar. You could have alien bacterial analogs that could use our bodies as a favorable substrate for growth, but wouldn't be "infecting" our cells, just using them as raw material. It might not even make you sick like earth bugs, our immune systems might not be able to recognize or react to something like that if the chemical composition isn't inherently immunogenic. So your body might start breaking down or developing growths and your immune system would be none the wiser.
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If the books are a guide the Martian government seems like a pretty recognizable modern congressional republic, but the mechanics of the Earth and Mars governments aren't explored in great detail I don't remember if they even say if it's a parliamentary system or a US style system.
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IIRC basically all of the water ice from Ceres ended up on Mars for instance, hence the reliance on water shipments from Saturn.
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flosofl posted:Found a good interview with Chatham on io9 that went up today. Having read but books, but not The Churn I'd say it has mild book spoilers related to Amos's character but nothing major.
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Nihonniboku posted:Fun fact: Anderson Dawes is played by Jared Harris. The father of Jared Harris is Richard Harris, the original Dumbledore. He also played David Robert Jones, one of the best antagonists in the show Fringe. His portrayal of Dawes is spot on, and I'm hoping we'll be seeing more of him soon.
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In one of the little "behind the scenes" videos one of the producers said that they knew it wasn't accurate to have the Nauvoo in shot that long, but that wanted to shoot it more dramatically so they could have Miller react to it.
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Dancer posted:It feels like a rather safe bet that if you're close enough to Venus to use its atmosphere to break, you won't be able to get out of its gravity well (to me at least. I'll gladly admit to being an idiot) If you're going fast enough it wouldn't matter, but the consequences on Eros and Venus of it blasting through its atmosphere could be pretty damaging.
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Talorat posted:The best campaigns I have run have always started with a panicked last ditch effort to save my storylines from the players and resulted in my having to scramble to write my way out of what they just did.
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Party Plane Jones posted:It's funny, but (nearly) every sci-fi show that has some form of artificial gravity and doesn't take the tremendous implications of that kind of technology to begin with. Same for FTL travel. If folks aren't familiar with it, the site Project Rho has the most complete set of articles on building hard sci fi settings based on real world physics and technical documents. Come for the explanations of why FTL, inertia-less drives and stealth in space don't work, stay for the in depth descriptions of nuclear shaped charge powered ships, lasers and particle beams. I was honestly a bit surprised that Casaba-howitzer type weapons don't show up in the Expanse, but I suppose it would make the space combat far less exciting when PDCs are useless against torpedoes.
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Yo momma so fat, I gotta contact Anderson corp to spin her over when I change positions.
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Feb 22, 2017 23:16
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Phi230 posted:I've only read book 1 but they imply Earth standard of living is very high but I could be wrong While there is a common belief among Belters and Dusters that all Earthers live a life of leisure with free everything, the reality is that the system of basic income Earth provides really only papers over the staggering inequality of the Earth economy, and a massive chunk of the population of Earth lives in very terrible conditions and circumstances. Without getting into too many specifics, the later books do cover in more depth the real economic situation on Earth and dip into what life is like for someone living in the slums of the Earth mega cities. We might even get a little bit of that story this season.
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Xealot posted:I don't know how the book characterizes it, but I way prefer this version. hosed up Cronenberg zombie monsters would be visually cool, but there's something fascinating about the idea that the Protomolecule is beyond understanding. It's not one-sidedly a destruction agent, but a very alien life cycle. I highly recommend the book "Blindsight" if you want to read a fascinating exploration of what first contact with a truly alien life form might be like. One of the core concepts it explores is the relationship between intelligence and consciousness and if one requires the other. It's probably one of the smartest sci-fi books I've read, but it's very heavy on scientific jargon so if you don't have much of a science background it's not the easiest read (it's written by a former marine biologist and has an appendix with a ton of primary source literature that it cites.) It's also released under the creative commons license so you can read it on the author's website.
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Eiba posted:The Expanse is basically there.
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If the Protogen forces had successfully captured the Donnager, they would've had access to its CIC and all the data on Martian military ship positions, operations, and a bunch of other information that would've been very useful in fomenting and directing a war between the great powers. The stealth ships were a means to an end: delivering the sample to Eros, and creating a system wide military crisis to cover for that action. Once that was completed, their utility in the grand plan was much more limited. So if you believe that after Eros the current solar-political order will be reshaped in your image as Mao does, it's worth it to risk a few ships to try to secure the Donnager instead of sucker punching it to death. Either way you've killed the Martian flagship (captured and killed or destroyed by condition 0) and maybe you get one of the most valuable information troves in the system as a part of the bargain. When the stars are your end goal, what is the price of a few ships compared to that?
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Just going to post this here before people get too deep into any "stealth in space" discussions.: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php the TLDR: Stealth in space doesn't work, and there are a few tricks you can do that could help with short term concealment or distraction tactics. However in a setting like the Expanse, the notion of hiding ship or missile trajectories/locations over long periods of times would be impossible if it was trying to be as scientifically accurate as it could be (something that the authors of the books have said was not their goal with the series.)
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Mar 3, 2017 00:19
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Deimos was an inside job!! Wake up Sheeple!
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Bert Roberge posted:Goatse.
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Platystemon posted:Handball seems like a strange sport for belters to play. No two courts would play the same. In the books they play a game that's loosely described to be some kind of team based low gee bocce/curling game that's all about controlling thrown balls in a small space, emphasizing how understanding the nature of gravity in space is as natural to Belters as breathing. It's pretty explicitly a game by Belters for Belters. I imagine the differences in gravity strength and spin influences in different locales are seen as a part of the challenge of the game. Using handball as the Belter game in the show I think is to (save budget) and emphasize the influence of mass poverty on Belter culture, all you need to play is a ball and some clear space on a ship or in a loading dock, not a bar or arena with a special court set up.
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The actor who plays Dawes is loving perfect, and I'm so happy they're using him more in the show than in the books. One of my favorite little details that's not explicitly spelled out about Dawes and the Belters are the scars from the old vacuum suits on his collarbone he shows Miller when he's interrogating him, and how all the Belter collarbone tattoos (like the one Diogo got in this season) are emulating those scars that the old school OPA guys had from working with lovely equipment.
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Collateral posted:They were previously an item. Bit of trivia, Muss (or Mus) is Old English for mouse. They've literally name checked Marco, and Diogo's almost certainly not related to Dawes or Naomi. Dawes talked about Diogo's childhood to build rapport - they both grew up in one of the worst neighborhoods in Ceres, Dawes is using this to get Diogo on his side instead of carrying water for a bunch of Inyalowda. I think making comparisons between Dawes and organized crime bosses is an internalization of Miller's opinion of Dawes, I think he has far more in common with leaders of groups like the 19th-20th century American labor unions (IWW and friends), the IRA, Hamas, or the Bolsheviks. Ignoring the political aspect of his operation is a big mistake, he seems to be cast in the mold of a revolutionary leader trying to advance his own vision of the belt and the OPA. He is willing to use violence to advance his aims, but aside from the fact that advancing his cause advances his own position politically there has been no evidence that he's anything but an emotionally scarred true believer in his cause. Look at this situation from his perspective: he sends Julie out after the Anubis, her ship ends up at the center of a system wide firestorm, and there's this loving cop working for an Earth corp that could blow open OPA involvement in the whole thing, potentially inciting a belt wide crackdown (poo poo the Martians were chomping at the bit to do exactly this on the Donnager.) So Dawes tries to get a lid on the Julie situation by either turning Miller or Star Helix off the case until the OPA can take care of their own internally. Remember Dawes forwards Julie's distress signal to Fred since he's stuck dealing with the collapse of Earth governance on Ceres, how were they to know that Julie had days to live? After all this, then the Earther lead faction of the OPA stages a coup of several OPA crews and with a stolen Martian frigate forms his own mini army, smashes an Earth base (but says he didn't get anything useful from the raid,) gets involved in Eros, steals UN nukes and is making a play for control of the whole OPA. Dawes doesn't fully trust Johnson, and thinks he has something hidden, and then surprise surprise he does, and given that Dawes isn't read in on the whole protomolecule situation he assumes it's military tech that Fred is holding as a trump card, not a unique scientific dilemma that they have no other way of trying to understand. I think that without the extreme visual distinctions between Belters and Inners described in the books, it's easy to forget the massive divide that exists between Johnson and Holden and any Belter that exists simply due to the fact that they grew up in one gee under an open sky. Dawes is a complicated character to be sure, but don't let the primary character's opinions of him completely color your interpretation of him.
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A minor non-ploy book spoiler about Dawes that's very illustrative of his character: He's literally named after the Earth-based Anderson corporation by his parents in an attempt by them to curry some favor with their bosses. Another place to look for inspiration for the OPA and people like Dawes would be the Haitian revolution (or in a way any revolutionary cause.) They are fighting for good ideals (independence and the liberation of the slaves) but the revolution was steeped in blood, was it worth it? That would depend on who you asked. Was Toussaint Louverture a good man? A hero? Was Jean-Jacques Dessalines? They fought for their people, rose to power on that cause, and they killed a lot of people in the process.
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I think it's fascinating in a way that show Miller, who is far more of a degenerate scumbag than book Miller is so much more favorably recieved from the word go than Bobbie at introduction. Remember when Miller was gonna space the guy who hosed with the air filters, then he ended up saving his life when he promised a tripling of his bribe? Show Miller wasn't just called a welwalla just because he worked for Star Helix, show Miller actually was one. The Belter credo is "enviromental systems are everything" and Miller threw that away for a tripling of his bribe, to say nothing of his self destructive drinking, his personal mistreatment of Muss, and his abuse of prisoners. poo poo Miller even uses Earther slurs like "longbones" for Belters with more extreme low gee influenced physiology. Bobbie is at least 2nd generation Martian military, has spent her entire life living and breathing Martian propaganda, spent her entire career training for a moment that everyone tells her shouldn't ever come - can't ever come, probably hasn't even met someone who identifies as an Earther. Then suddenly Earth loving nukes a moon of Mars out of existence and is trying to pin blame for everything crazy happening in the system on Mars. Is it too surprising that she's gungho about taking the fight to the state that has been the historical oppressor of Mars, and whose civilians have been dehumanized in the eyes of Martians? As hamfisted as they were, those scenes with the Earther immigrant squad mate are trying to make a point about the how the physical differences between Earthers and Martians that the show can't do visually impact how the different peoples view each other. Bobby's a patriot and a soldier who wants to do what she's been told is her job, her perspective is very narrow, but it's going to broaden very quickly. I'm very hopeful for where they're going to take her character in coming episodes, generally speaking the show has taken the book characters and presented them as far less "likable" at first so you can see how they grow as they're exposed to more of the world outside of the little slice they've lived in their whole lives before the show started.
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I just think it's strange that people can only engage with characters they don't like by saying how they would change them to suit their personal tastes rather than trying to think why that character was written that way in the first place.
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counterfeitsaint posted:WTF are you talking about with Miller? He went home and looked around at the various belter kids around him, felt guilty about the air filters, went and found the guy and drug him into an airlock to asphyxiate him for a few seconds, and told him to clean the drat filters from now on. There was no mention of tripling a bribe. Why would he say "Breathing air is nice huh?" and then suck out all the dudes air and wait for several seconds if his plan was to just space him?
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Baronjutter posted:What I don't think makes a lot of sense is Naomi suddenly having "split loyalties" drama. In season 1 she expressed a lot of resentment towards the OPA and saw them as separate from or even antagonistic towards the actual needs of belters. Then after spending a lot of time working with Holden and a diverse crew who "do the right thing" as part of a bigger non-nationalistic picture she suddenly gets all patriotic and loyal towards a piece of poo poo like Dawes?? Just out of nowhere she becomes an OPA partisan? It feels like a switch was flipped just to create drama and tension. She's not a partisan though, she's just pointing out to her Earther boyfriend why the people of Ceres like Dawes, and that she's down with Belter self rule. Naomi may be done with participating in radical causes herself (insert her quote from the Martian interrogation on the Donnager here, and also her unwillingness to speak up at the Belter conference) but she's 100% behind the cause of the Belter people (see all her interactions with Miller post-Eros as an example.) I think Naomi's split loyalties right now are between Holden and Humanity, not between Holden and the OPA, and those seem rooted in far more pragmatic scientific and engineering concerns regarding the protomolecule sample than they do notions of political theory. She didn't see destroying the only sample of the PM that they knew existed in the system was for the "greater good" even though Holden certainly did. My take is that Holden's current subplot is very "fear of the unknown". He's trying to destroy the every vestige of the PM and roll things back to the way they were before Pheobe, while Naomi is concerned by what might come after if they aren't the only people left with PM data and a sample and is trying to preserve what she can so that Humanity can adapt to this new era. Old Holden would've never gone to assassinate Cortazar, but the events of Eros and after have certainly changed him, just maybe not for the better. E: Would really like some examples of Dawes being an evil dude beyond his loving with Miller and being associated with a radical revolutionary political faction. I wouldn't take Miller and Holden's assessment of Dawes at face value, both of them are giving you the oppressor's view of Belter politics. Miller as a jaded cop working for an Earthcorp who views everything like it's an old noir movie, and Holden an Earther who though sympathetic to the Belters is also very cynical about politicians and any organized hierarchy like Miller and is no expert when it comes to Belter politics. If Naomi of all people is willing to give Dawes some credit, that should reflect well on him, not poorly. I was listening to some of The Churn podcast, and one thing that stood out to me in their recap of the last episode was how they characterized the scene between Diogo and Dawes as being a purely manipulative moment, Dawes is radicalizing this poor naive boy into his cause, when it's just as easily read as Dawes making an honest connection with Diogo and recruiting him on the basis of their shared backgrounds values and goals. Try to imagine this story and setting from the perspective of the Belters before judging them too harshly. ATP_Power fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Buncha inyalowda posting ITT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCd8MYnHTLw
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It's hard to even compare the Belter's situation to any contemporary political situation because of the physiological realities of being a Belter. Even if there was room on Earth, they could never live there, there is no home for Belters on Mars or Earth, their bodies can't take it. Their fates are consigned to the spaces between gravity wells unless they're willing to accept a complete obliteration of what makes them Belters in the first place.
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Platystemon posted:Most Belters could tolerate the gravity of a moon—probably even Mars, if they can set foot on Ceres or a station like Tycho. E: enraged_camel posted:Obviously they couldn't handle a sudden change, but adjustment via gradual increases in gravity would be quite possible. ATP_Power fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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I'm bad at posting.
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Solomon Epstein was the Boss, Earth is Zero, Mars is Big Boss and the Belt is Les Enfants Terribles.
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Holden is Johnny Sasaki.
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Orange Red Bull posted:I like the explosive decompression and vacuum exposure from Event Horizon better but I suppose we dont really have any frame of reference and just medical theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11 This video is more germane to the question of "what happens if you go into space with a bad suit?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO8L9tKR4CY Here's an article with some other examples as well: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/ ATP_Power fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:De-populate the belt, if all it's for is resource extraction then use automated tugs and pull asteroids/chunks in from the belt to earth/mars orbit and take them apart there. Never have to hear some twiggy idiot whinging on about oppression while loving over or outright murdering his fellow belter and his only idea for a better future is launching random nukes at earth. If you took away their blind hate and blame of inners and granted them full independence they'd be killing each other off in a matter of years. I didn't know King Leopold II posted on these forums.
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Smiling Jack posted:Agreed. Additionally, all your reflexes are going to be keyed to lower gravity, so handling objects and things like recovering from tripping would all be messed up too. Astronauts have talked about how after long missions on the ISS, they'll try to leave things like cups or remotes hanging in space when they want to set them aside and just drop them. Astronauts have also talked about how heavy you feel after you come back from space. Even though they are physically in very good shape, it takes time to readjust to full gravity. I imagine a Martian - even one with extensive 1G training - would find adapting to living at Earth gravity difficult.
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Baronjutter posted:It sometimes feels like everyone's just standing and reading their dialog from the book because why would they move around it doesn't mention that in the book????
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From just the preview scene, the Martians trying to use Bobbie's testimony as a key to their reconciling with Earth while trying to keep the exact details of what happened to their Marines hazy seems like a terrible plan, especially without any other evidence. Last thing you want if you're trying to bury a military incident is an obviously traumatized soldier babbling about someone running around outside on Ganymede without a pressure suit as she's trying to feed you an official line that's obviously not her opinion.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:But really, rewatch the scenes where Naomi and Holden confront Prax, there's some good stuff in there. More than many shows I've watched, this show really benefits from rewatches. There a tons of little details in the background that fill out the characters, world, and connect the bigger story together. Things like the Coriolis effect on Miller's whiskey, or the French doctor on the rescue ship to Eros showing up as a talking head on TV the episode before. I'm certain I'm forgetting or missing other examples and that doesn't count the explicit book foreshadowing/references peppered throughout.
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Another thing to consider is that any non-Belter ship would be a prime target for pirates, and with Earth and Mars in the middle of a massive military crisis, they're not likely to want to allocate warships to guard any potential relief effort even if they cared enough to try and send one. The more radical factions of the OPA are gaining more power, and I bet any inner transport ship full of supplies would look like a great target to them. "We commandeered this shipment of goods that were going to feed the Inyalowda soldiers who wrecked Eros and Ganymede and give it to the Belters who need it." is probably a statement that Dawes or the more radical factions of the OPA could use to great effect.
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The Martians also developed the Epstein drive which had a massive impact on their economic and political power. Presumably there was a period of time where Martian ships were the only Epstein drive powered ships in the system which would've given them a massive head start at exploiting the resources of the belt and the outer planets.They have the cutting edge tech for starships compared to Earth, but don't have an economy as large is the loose impression given in the books. Mars is tethered to the Earth because there is only one ecosystem that inherently has all of the biological resources needed for human life and you can't replace that, as hard as you might try. It's been briefly mentioned in the show (the preview scene from next episode also touches on it) but all the crops on Ganymede are heavily modified to grow in the colony, and even then require a massive system of complicated infrastructure to survive. Without biologicals from Earth, humanity would have a very difficult if not impossible time trying to feed everyone. So as much as Mars and the Belt hate it, they can't escape Earth's influence as the cradle of humanity.
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