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jBrereton posted:You'll need a special passport for that, and doubters are off the list of potential claimants. Yeah at this point I'm talking to my fellow EU filthy forrins working in the UK. You UK locals are pretty much hosed with no hope.
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Feb 1, 2017 18:34
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Feb 1, 2017 20:15
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Welp, passed without any amendments. This is gonna hurt. Lol just lol if Labour thinks they will "add the amendments later".
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TheHoodedClaw posted:The amendments come in at the Report stage, which hasn't been reached yet, and the Lords can attempt amendments too. Forgive me if I am skeptical here, maybe I just don't know enough about the UK parliamentary system, but this was wayyyyyy too much of a "roll over and show my belly" act to believe that Labour will actually get hardline about amendments later if they didn't do poo poo until now.
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jabby posted:There is no 'hardline' about amendments. Either they are supported by Tory rebels, or they fail. Labour has zero leverage to force amendments through. Then maybe don't talk to me about how amendments come at a later stage??? Just a thought. I mean if I say "welp article 50 approved without amendments, we're hosed" and the answer is "actually amendments come later", but then it turns out "actually there's no way in hell amendments will get approved", well.... maybe that's what I meant? Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Trying to get amendments passed after you made the strongest show in the world that you're willing to super-mega-roll-over, three-whippingly-fuckingly-strongly, is kind of the same as accepting a job for a certain salary saying "but I hope I can count on you to get a 100% raise after six months! but hahaha no big deal". Just not gonna loving happen.
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Feb 1, 2017 21:51
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jabby posted:This is becoming a really annoying comparison. Supporting Article 50, a single issue the British public voted for after Labour voted to give them a referendum, is not the same as supporting welfare cuts or another of the Tories policies. Nah fam, totally, Hard Brexit is just a "single issue the British voted for", no big deal, just gonna wreck your economy to all poo poo and back mate, great stuff innit. You guys actually voted for your 2001-scale crisis. I don't have the words.
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Feb 1, 2017 22:42
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Extreme0 posted:I hope a Wall is built around the border of Scotland & England so that once Climate Change happens that all the English Refugees drown. That will teach them because we are full and we don't need more White people coming into our country. Och aye! Make Hadrian's Wall Great Again! I do love Scotland and have seriously considered moving to Aberdeen.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:41
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THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY why don't the Mail and Farage and whoever just go suck a big dick I mean seriously gently caress I can't believe there's people who gorge on this poo poo, hook line and sinker
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learnincurve posted:I think that's what people living and working in London want. I live in the North and what people really want here, is the government to subsidise train ticket prices down to London so we can access all those lovely free museums and galleries, and most crucially, to build council houses. The brexit vote was used by a lot of people to send a message that we are unhappy with the housing situation, and with the full knowledge that Brexit will gently caress London but that it can't get any worse for people stuck living in high unemployment low wage areas with a high street full of charity shops and American owned coffee shops. Unfortunately, this is what will happen: - UK will leave the EU - Workers rights will erode: lower wages, no guaranteed vacation (hope you enjoy two contiguous weeks a year instead of 25 INDIVIDUALLY PICKABLE!!!!!! LABORAL!!!!!!!!! days), lots and lots more precarious employment, black wages - Corporate tax plummets, UK becomes a tax haven, so say goodbye to NHS and free healthcare, expect US-style healthcare - Like NHS, expect any nationalised services to get privatised and to become super mega lovely to extents you never imagined before. Power, water, you name it. Expect more outages, higher prices, etc. - Council houses ahahahaha no. Expect the current trend of houses being only for foreign investors to continue, and to worsen a lot actually because: - The pound devaluation will mean your salary will have less purchasing power. Basically expect a wage cut of like 30% or more. - loving idiot racists will continue to blame immigrants.
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Jose posted:lol Interesting scale they're using EDIT: also lol if you think the government will ever care about affordable housing. Poor/middle class people don't bribe politicians so they don't matter. The government will only ever care about rich people buying expensive houses because, get this, they ARE rich people buying expensive houses. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe Billy Bragg has been photographed standing suspiciously close to Jeremy Corbyn, hasn't he? I said government, as in, the people making the decisions. In this case, that means Tories + rich + corporations. Labour is just a bunch of headless chickens put there to give the illusion that the working class has a tiny smidge of power.
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White paper publishedquote:The paper confirms that “wherever practical and appropriate”, the same rules and laws will apply in the UK on the day after it leaves the EU as did before. Y'all are getting so so hosed
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SNP is pretty much the only remaining sane-ish party in the UK, hopefully soon the Republic of Scotland.
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forkboy84 posted:Oh my gosh you're a bad troll. I mean, come on. You really need to at least base your nonsense in reality. "Oppose the tories" as the reason people support the Liberals. Hah. That's a good one. You've definitely thought that one through. Technically, they've managed to communicate that idea of opposition better. It's not that they oppose the Tories, it's that they've done better marketing around that identity than Labour. Which really speaks more about Labour than it does the Libdems. PS I don't think the situation is hopeless though. I think Corbyn should go on a heroquest to mend this broken reality ASAP. If we sacrifice enough lamb to Chalana Arroy we might get out of this yet. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Private Speech posted:This is mostly only true regarding Brexit though, and even then it's at least partly to improve their electoral success. I mean they're not bad promises, the only problem is that it's so drat obvious that he's lying.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Most of them are really stupid and would be no use other than walking over minefields. The real issue is the recent right-wing tilt of STEM people. I'm not really seeing this right-wing tilt. I've been in the software development field for more than a decade and like 80% of my coworkers have always been either center or slightly left-wing.
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This is all about strategic voting. Sure, floppy-dick Labour doesn't represent my political views at all: to me, they just give up too easy, and some of their views are too centrist, but then again I'm left of Marx. But really, if I don't vote for them, I'm helping full on super-hard Brexit "make the UK a tax haven with no workers rights" Tories, and I really don't want that. The problem is that they seem to take people still voting for them as an encouragement for their latest right-wing leanings and so you see Labour MPs catering to that demographic. "Hey, it seems to be working!" no, gently caress you, go back to your party's essence you idiot. Not that it matters - at this rate, they'll take away any voting rights I have as a EU citizen, and probably deport me in two years if I don't leave first. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/KawczynskiMP/status/827994796421763072 So funny for a Tory to post this. After the UK leaves the EU, they will go full neoliberal and basically privatise everything they can and borrow, borrow, borrow, until everything blows up in a giant fireball and the pound hits rock-bottom and unemployment reaches 50% Trust me I have plenty of experience in this exact same situation
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namesake posted:Hey enough of this defeatist talk, we've been just as stupid throughout history and have had some amazing riots. I really hope this whole Donald Trump mess makes everyone see in full, painful detail just how bad a full-on balls-to-the-wall extremist right-wing racist government can be, and the apathetic masses start thinking that maybe it's a good idea to go back to that socialist democracy thing and we see a reversion of the latest alarming right-wing trend we've been seeing globally. I mean SOMETHING has to break here eventually, either we wake up and get poo poo back in order, or we go full Shadowrun but without the cool parts.
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I just wish that imbecile would lose all his money and was forced to emigrate to Brussels to find a job. I want some goddamn poetic justice but who am I kidding, he will never get what he deserves for loving up a country's economy to grab money/power.
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Baron Corbyn posted:The Mail on Sunday will try to contradict Dacre as much as possible while remaining a fascist shitrag. They were pro-remain for example. The DMGT group editors all hate each other's guts, but each of them will consistently publish whatever piece of poo poo they think will give them audience and advertising money because they only really care about that, in the end. They don't give a poo poo about pushing a political agenda.
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The reason there's not enough houses is that there's actually enough houses but all the rich fuckers from the world just buy them up and leave them unoccupied.
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jBrereton posted:Yes that's it mate, you nailed it. It's not that wages have done gently caress all for ten years while houses are barely getting built. I'm sorry but I have a pretty high salary in London and I'd still have to save for like two years to buy a flat lease in Aberdeen, one of the cheapest cities to buy. It's not that the wages are low - it's that houses are incredibly supermega high priced because investors and speculators have driven up the prices. It's the same almost everywhere, I don't see what's controversial about it.
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Sorry, yes, I know Aberdeen is not the absolute cheapest place, but it's the cheapest reasonable sized city with reasonable facilities and services with a good quality of life. I imagine I can get much cheaper property in rural nowhere, but that doesn't seem too appealing, and it's not even up on the online listings.
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JFC, again, it's the place that gathers these conditions: - Cheapest to *buy real estate in*, not necessarily live in (I live in London already) - Has a decent QOL/Safety index (so, not Glasgow or Birmingham) - Is a city with decent infrastructure and facilities I mean if you know of a place with cheaper real estate that also has a better safety/QOL rating, I'm all ears I won't buy real estate in the UK anyway - you guys already want my filthy EU rear end out, so it'll probably be Berlin or Amsterdam or who knows. In most cases you can't even buy the actual property - it's that leasehold poo poo. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well you see Brexit will teleport us back to the 1970's Economically, yes. Also, workers' rights, yes. Also, public services, unemployment, inflation, anyway, all fun stuff you have to look forward to.
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forkboy84 posted:Workers rights absolutely were. Uh. The lack of statutory paid leave begs to differ.
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'Twas nice knowing you, Britain.
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Coohoolin posted:Leave the UK and make a new country. I know it's a super long shot but I'd really loving love to see an independent, EU-member Scotland gain all the prosperity that England will lose, just to spite all those loving brexiter racists. I'd also move there in a heartbeat because let's face it, Scotland is cool as heck.
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Steve2911 posted:How has he not already done them for libel? He might have, but the Mail has a huge legal department. Usually you don't hear from ongoing cases like those. Which is a pity because gently caress the Mail and all tabloids honestly.
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Gort posted:Who the gently caress goes "gently caress the tories, I'm voting x" and then votes tory anyway? Fixed
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How terrible on a scale from 1 to Farage is Bercow? Because so far he's made a stand against Trump, said he voted Remain, and pisses off the Tories, that would make him a pretty okay PM on my book (if only because there's zero alternatives). But you know, he might have voted to kill puppies or something, you never know with politicians.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/12/frank-walter-steinmeier-elected-germany-president-donald-trump-critic- New centre-left president for Germany? How is this not all over the news by the way? I imagine this is slightly a good thing? Or, again, did he vote to institute mandatory baby-eating at some point?
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It's amazing and sad but every time I ask "hey this politician sounds like he might be slightly good, is that true?" the answer is always "no, it's not true, he's poo poo" because all politicians are poo poo. I mean, I already know that, but I'm kinda grasping at straws here you know.
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TinTower posted:My only criticism of Rayner is that she tried to pull the "university of life" card without any sense of irony. The 90s? Ah, such sweet memories. My family plunging into abject poverty thanks to neo-liberalism, each night's dinner being either tea and crackers or potatoes in some form, yeah, those were fun times. Also there were definitely computers and arcades, what the gently caress is this rear end in a top hat even on.
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Private Speech posted:Which South American (I think) country are you from again, if you don't mind me asking too much? I'm kinda curious and right-wing governments (and some left-wing ones too to be fair) did a number on uhh quite a lot of them. Argentina and to be fair every government in its history has been out to line their own pockets and gently caress the people, but the military dictatorships were especially vicious, and Menem's presidencies (1989-1999) basically finished destroying the country entirely through rampant neo-liberalism and privatisation of all national assets and basically destroying many many workers' rights. Of course, some rich assholes had a great time during that decade, so they can't understand why everyone else loving hates them when they say the 90s were a good time. Which I assume also happens a lot in the UK as I can't imagine the 90s were prosperous for everyone. Anyway, people praising either the 90s or, especially, neo-liberalism, triggers me I guess.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:This would have been better in BASIC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts96J7HhO28
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Namtab posted:Any fallout yet? That's the magic of the thing, though - in this post-reason world you can just tweet "if elected, I will murder and eat the homeless" and sure, there will be major outrage from most people but somehow you'll still get voted in and still people will defend you. I'm pretty sure you could run on a platform that was literally "bring back the British Empire through slavery and brutal war" and you would get at least like 30% of Parliament, easy. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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