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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

lol it's lunch time

Try working at Amazon: 8 hour shift, no lunch break. You get a 10 minute and 20 minute break after 3 and 5.5 hours respectively.

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Apr 5, 2009

Zephro posted:

i'm posting from one of the two 4.4 minute, CCTV-enforced toilet breaks i get during the day

a literal shitpost

(not really)

Oh yeah, and try a call centre. A 15 minute break and if you go over they dock an hour's pay.

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Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

I don't think we should encourage a race to the bottom like this. Let's not ask each other to work under worse conditions, instead demand that conditions are improved for all.

That is correct, my point was that a lunch break should not be taken for granted as it's not guaranteed.

One of the great victories of the working class struggle was to grant the right to leisure time.

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Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

I dunno, one time when I worked in a call centre I went to meet someone during my lunch hour. And before I knew it I was an hour late back. Nobody even noticed, which was nice.

Back in my day if you so much as spoke at less than 80 words per minute they'd beat you 'til you got back up to speed. Audible pain would lead to harsher beatings until morale improved, etc. etc.

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Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

i'm surprised if that's legal

It's legal because it provides the minimum 30 minutes. No requirement they be contiguous.

Dead Goon posted:

I worked at an Amazon FC once.

It was shite.

Got better breaks than Tess hinted at, though.

Those were the breaks I got in 2012.

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Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

If only we hadn't just voted to leave the EU and the protection of such rights it ensures.

That's one reason why I voted Remain.

The Working Time Directive, while good, did not invent weekends.

Dead Goon posted:

Fair enough, I was there in 2015.

How long did you get?

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Apr 5, 2009


It was the Labour movement of the 1910s-1920s that fought and earned the right to leisure time.

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Apr 5, 2009

Dead Goon posted:

Two 15 mins and a 30.

But we were also working 8am - 6pm

You lucky bastards.

I bet they didn't spit in your food either.

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Apr 5, 2009

mfcrocker posted:

By this point you'd have hoped you'd have made it to acceptance. Denial isn't healthy dude.

You voted badly and a shrinking of worker protections is the consequence.

Okay. drat, I voted us into 7 day weeks with 16 hour shifts and likely unpaid overtime on top. Probably bringing back child labour too. Curse my short-sighted desire for bendy bananas.

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Apr 5, 2009

Looke posted:

the leaked texts in PMQ went down pretty well

Yeah crikey... and she then has the cheek to try and pull the 'alternative facts' angle? Hopefully this isn't just going to be ignored by all but the Groan and Mirror.

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Apr 5, 2009

I'll be interested to see the summary of journos from other papers. Even the right-wingers have begrudgingly praised Corbyn for previous strong performances and this is preeeetty close to corruption being unearthed.

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Apr 5, 2009

TinTower posted:

The mental hurdles people are jumping over to excuse Corbyn literally voting for a hard Tory Brexit reminds me of that "irregular verbs" joke in Yes Minister: I respect the government's mandate, you prop up an unpopular government, he is a yellow Tory.

Considering this can all trace back to Cleggo the Clown's hilarious trade-off of giving the Tories free reign for five years in exchange for a hobbled referendum, you really have no leg to stand on here.

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Apr 5, 2009

jBrereton posted:

How's about the new powers in Scotland which fell short of what people were promised in The Vow?

The referendum was in/out, not the terms of that.

...hang on a minute.

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Apr 5, 2009

jBrereton posted:

So it's self-reporting?

I dunno I think there might be a few more tesseractors in the Labour membership than they wanted to admit, and certainly there were more Labour voters who voted to Leave than are saying so, or Leave would not have won so much outside of the south.

Or alternatively there's just, yaknow, more people in the UK than Labour voters/members. Not to say I agree with the stats but it's not like the Labour vote or membership is so overwhelmingly large that they control the rest of the UK's results in the ref.

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Apr 5, 2009

jBrereton posted:

If you're trying to claim that the promised preconditions for "no" were not a factor in unionists somehow not snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I don't know what to say.

This is an absurd interpretation of my post. The ScotRef was whether Scotland would become independent. It voted to remain in the UK, which the government honoured. The conditions in which it stayed were not at any point part of the referendum itself, merely a promise from a serial liar that he totally (wink wink) will (nudge nudge) honour his word. The government if anything doubled down on the result by not even offering the concessions it promised in the 11th hour.

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Apr 5, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

Letting whips who broke a triple line whip off with a warning is pretty unconventional

It's almost as if we live in unconventional times.

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Apr 5, 2009

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I'm sure they would be doing much better amongst C2DEs if they had followed the Pissflaps strategy of voting against Article 50.

That's also a poll from the start of last week that was released at the end of last week. It's not even new lol.

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Apr 5, 2009

For the record, SSJ2 Goku Wilders was quoting Marx and Engels and attributing them to Strasser to see how many of you would notice. It's a fantastic troll when you're up on the game.

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Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Also making GBS threads on pictures of Lenin, which I don't believe is from Marx or Engels, but it may have been in one of Kropotkin's minor works.

Odd, normally I wipe my arse with Trotsky Paper.

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Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

Agreed. It's unthinkable that Labour could lose either of them. If they did it would be a disaster.

Impressive steganography but it's really obvious how hard you have your fingers crossed here.

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Apr 5, 2009

baka kaba posted:

Was anyone even arguing with the content? It was more the STRASSERITE STRASSERITE gimmick posting that was weird. Maybe I'm not up on the latest political meme culture :frogbon:

If anything he was mocking the thread's inward thinking as tacitly national-socialist without admitting that it only cares about socialism in one country. In particular he opened with "glad to find a thread of fellow Strasserites" or something to the effect when he first started poasting in here.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

Disagreeing about politics is a pretty lousy reason to hate your family. You only get one family, there are millions of people out there you can agree about politics with.

Spoken like someone whose only socialisation is with their family.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

It might be interesting to see the results of a survey about political obsession / weird alternative politics and healthy family relationships.

It's a little telling here that instead of denying a lack of socialisation you try and put a "tu quoque" on it.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

I figured you were just projecting tbh, which is why I got curious about the connection between obsession about politics and especially weird alternative political stuff and healthy family relationships.

A bunch of people so far have chimed in about how 'gently caress my family if they don't agree with all my stuff i'm obsessed with about politics.'

Anyway the reason I thought you were projecting is because it was such a bizarre response to "you should love your family." When people demonstrate bizarre responses to everyday stuff it makes you think.

lol. That's not what you said tho and my posts remain unedited so it's not hard to see what you did say.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

Does jeremy corbyn love his family? Didn't he divorce his wife because she wanted to send his kid to a good school?

Tell us more about how you mother is your only friend.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

He did divorce his wife so she couldn't send their kid to a good school though didn't he? I'm almost certain I read about it on here.

If someone is so debased that they can't put their own children's well-being ahead of some kind of political orthodoxy, how can they be trusted to put their nation's well-being first? We've seen plenty of examples of states obsessed with political orthodoxy. Hell on earth.

Is socialism the Moloch of Jeremy Corbyn, to which he would sacrifice even his own first-born?

That's what the right-wing talking point was. As it turns out a poster in this thread went to school with Corbyn's son at that AWFUL SCHOOL that Corbyn apparently sent him to at gunpoint.

Hot scoop: it wasn't about the school choice.

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Apr 5, 2009

spectralent posted:

If your policies aren't good enough for your family, why are they good enough for the rest of the country's?

Actually his mother told him that no matter what he does he's the best little boy so actually you're wrong and probably homosexual.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

It's not wrong for people to want the best for their family. For example, if several people are tied to some train tracks and you only have time to untie one of them, to choose your own brother dad or something instead of a stranger.

It's not incompatible to want the best for your own friends and family and also want the best for other people too. It might be impossible to send everyone's kids to great schools, but if you can send your own kids there you should, for their sake.

Its part of treating people as ends in themselves rather than as means to some other end.

Okay I think I need to rephrase my question. Have you ever socialised? What the gently caress is wrong with you? :psyduck:

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

I learned a long time ago that you don't have to win an argument to be right.

Some folks you just can't reason with.

I appreciate your mother's dedication to protecting your ego but one day you'll have to approach the world outside of an internet forum.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

That kind of thinking annihilates morality.

Being fair, your posting annihilates brain cells.

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Apr 5, 2009

hakimashou posted:

If I ran the world we'd soak the rich to pay for good schools for everyone. But we wouldn't hold it against rich people if they sent their kids to rich people schools either.

Please tell me what kind of school turned out someone with this level of dumbshit view of the world.

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Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

Remember even Diane Abbott sent her kids to private school. You're going to get awfully lonely up there on your high horse taking such a hardline against these things

'Even' Diane Abbott? Is she meant to be the Gold Standard now?

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Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

a core member of the inner circle of the left wing leadership of the country's major left of centre party. close ally of Corbyn for decades.
I don't know what the gold standard should be. but if Abbott doesn't pass I don't expect very many will.

Yeah all right I guess *throws out bust of Nye Bevan, replaces it with Diane Abbott's memoirs* guess there's no choice but to look to ol' Di-Ab for all future moral compass considerations.

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Apr 5, 2009

namesake posted:

Here's a really nice summary of the attitudes the left has been taking over Brexit and we've been doing in the thread:


I agree that unfortunately we haven't actually had a way of cutting across the divide, although I guess the theatre in the USA is providing some ground on that front (although as pointed out, already split due to the actions of some), but ultimately we're struggling to reach a resolution to anything as is.

Nifty. Where's this from?

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Apr 5, 2009

namesake posted:

Just someone I know on Facebook, not a famous lefty or anything.

Well, it's a good piece. Out of interest is the author an Entrenched Lex or a Moral Remainer?

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Apr 5, 2009

namesake posted:

....

Trying not to be any of them?

I was just wondering if they were being self-critical is all. They seemed pretty down on Moral Remainers.

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Apr 5, 2009

Tony Blair making the Tories renege on Brexit would probably be the funniest possible outcome.

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Apr 5, 2009

Kokoro Wish posted:

"Two year process"

*in extremely lib dem voice* Corbyn didn't magically transform into 325 people to force the Tories to adopt his sensible amendments, this means he isn't interested in getting a decent outcome

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Apr 5, 2009

MikeCrotch posted:

The thing that's really getting to me from the Moral Remainer side is both the complete lack of nuance or compromise from the position and the total absence of any kind of plan to get concessions from the Tories.

Like the plan seems to be "shout loudly and constantly using the exact same arguments that failed to win the referendum and hope Britain wakes up from its collective stupor"? Is that really the best we can do?

At least Corbyn's plan to tacitly agree with Brexit and try and soften it from within is a plan, which is more than i've heard from the Moral Remainers. Don't get me wrong, I would love to find a way to somehow remain, but someone's actually got to come up with a way to get there that isn't "continue to use the tactics that have already proved not to work".

That's the problem, really. I'm fine with us remaining after all, but short of a political coup it's basically impossible at this point. Instead of shouting loudly to remain it'd be more useful to shout for the softest possible leave. Like hell, remaining in the single market would remove like 90% of concerns of the Remain side.

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Apr 5, 2009

Fangz posted:

Once we surrender to the nazis, and are put into the concentration camps, we will be able to reform germany from the inside. The real fight has begun.

Is this meant to be a serious comparison between Brexit and the systematic genocide of Jewish people, other assorted minorities and the political left?

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