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Jedit posted:On the other hand, or possibly the other penis, gently caress catheters. I know it's poor form to kink shame, but steady on lad.
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Jippa posted:It's a good zinger in isolation but she isn't really is she. She's leaving us over the edge of a cliff. That's leadership. Bad leadership but still.
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OwlFancier posted:Can't really say I blame people resigning if they aren't going to vote for A50. The whip for the final vote is a foolish idea. Well, it's resign or get punted. You can't be in the shadow cabinet and disobey a 3 line whip. Even when it's a loving stupid 3 line whip. If this is the end for Corbyn, before he's even been able to do anything useful as far as reforming the party democracy goes? And generally moving the discourse to the left? Hard not to say he's probably the worst Labour leader ever. Or at least 2nd behind Ramsay MacDonald.
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Guavanaut posted:MacDonald had a cool mustache and more party leaders should have those. Didn't deserve that moustache, that bastard turncoat scab motherfucker.
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Why does Northern Ireland have a left-wing pro-union party? Seems a missed opportunity, there was lots of working class unionists who were also trade unionists, so why are all the unionist parties lovely conservatives and reactionaries? Fair enough on social matters, but Sinn Fein are also pretty conservative socially. Never understood this. Almost as if nationalism and religion is getting in the way of class solidarity, being used to divide and conquer?
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Feb 2, 2017 00:36
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I'm not really sure about the crocodile tears brigade. Pretty easy when even whips are rebelling to vote with your conscience. Honestly, these people are worse than Corbyn. Also thanks for the NI Pol posts. Interesting stuff
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clear eyes full farts posted:unionists would go mental if that happened, also it would still mean there would be in effect an open border with the eu That's OK, they already are mental. Also, the MPs who claim they wanted to vote against yesterday but were scared to can gently caress off. What stunning cowardice. You're meant to be leaders. Act like it.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:32
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jBrereton posted:Yes it's the Lib Dems who are the useless cowards here lol Agreed. Couldn't even whip all of their useless MPs to vote for the one thing their party is meant to stand for.
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Pissflaps posted:I definitely want to focus on the LIb dems and their 8 MPs on this issue. Well, there's no real need to restrict ourselves to just one party behaving shittly, and I think this thread has gone over the ground of how loving terrible Corbyn's handling of this has been. learnincurve posted:Oddly enough it's looking probable that Nick Clegg will lose his seat because of an argument in Sheffield over lack of affordable housing for students. At last, some good news in this trashfire country. Would he lose it as in not be their candidate? Or as in a Tory will replace him? forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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jBrereton posted:Seeing as a fifth of Labour MPs defied a three line whip, 22% of the Lib Dems not voting seems pretty tame. Yes, but Labour aren't a one policy party. Liberals abstaining on Brexit would be like Nats abstaining on Scottish independence.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:57
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Baron Corbyn posted:He held it by 3000 votes from Labour with the Tories nowhere. Why would it be the Tories taking the seat from him this time round? Well, it's a traditionally Tory seat. Before 1997 it was a Tory/Unionist seat going back to the First World War. And Liberals won in 1916 because the Tory MP resigned & they couldn't even be arsed nominating a replacement. Considering it's one of those constituencies where Corbyn will not be popular, would hardly be a shock to see the Tories back as #2, as they were in 2010.
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Sion posted:Aye, cos he works so hard the rest of the year. 14 weeks paid holiday is good. I support this.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:46
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Gonzo McFee posted:Also there's a human being called Murdo Frasier. Half way between a murderer and Birdo. My grandad was called Murdo, he wasn't a Tory. And the Gaelic version of Dangermouse was called Donnie Murdo. https://youtu.be/y-5hII715_s #NotAllMurdos
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Namtab posted:I Dont know who Chris Leslie is but he's rammed in All The Amendments, so that parliament will get like 5 minutes to discuss each. Can't people who want to soften brexit coordinate these things? Chris Leslie is the former Shadow Chancellor for a couple of months under Harriet Harman's temporary leadership. Notable for never rebelling against the government, even once, between 1997 & 2005, when he lost his seat to Philip Davies, probably the biggest shithead in parliament. Close to Gordon Brown, close to Ed Balls, his wife runs Labour Tomorrow which basically exists to oppose Corbyn's economic ideas. Top bloke basically. hakimashou posted:Maybe people think the opposition should oppose the tories and their brexit instead of just opposing shaving and wearing ties. Oh my gosh you're a bad troll. I mean, come on. You really need to at least base your nonsense in reality. "Oppose the tories" as the reason people support the Liberals. Hah. That's a good one. You've definitely thought that one through.
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Lettuce doesn't really keep very long, does it? This all seems flawed. And one lettuce seems like it'd be plenty for one week. And I enjoy lettuce. Although iceberg is a bit bland. Nice with a veggie burger though.
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/827500089430175746 I'm not sure that protests in London were ever going to do much to Trump. And yeah, it's hardly unfair to discourage people from attending rallies & events run by SWP & their fronts considering what they've done in the past. You also miss the follow up tweet, where Jones points out another anti-Trump protest. He's not saying don't protest Trump, he's saying the SWP tried to cover up rape, the people involved in the cover up are still high up in the party, and that it is actively dangerous for the SWP to be allowed to be at the forefront of left-wing activism in this country.
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TheRat posted:I know that. I've just seen where this road leads, and it's always to focus being removed from the actual cause and onto "Who's the worst leftie?" It's not about who is more lefty than who. It's about actively covering up rape. Rape is bad. Line in the sand that I won't cross. A refusal to hold fellow comrades to the standards of basic human decency is what allows this poo poo, or the craziness of the Workers Revolutionary Party to happen. gently caress no. Just because I agree with you on politics, I'm not going to give you a pass on acting like a decent person.
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JFairfax posted:All I'm saying is the Tory party has literally covered up institutional pedophilia in front of everyone's eyes and people still vote for them. Nobody is suggesting that we should boycott SWP events because it'd be poisonous electorally. We're saying it's because we find it personally distasteful to share a platform with them and it should be avoided.
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https://twitter.com/KawczynskiMP/status/827994796421763072 Tory MP posts graph showing how debt as percentage of GDP under Labour borrowing. Ed Miliband was such a good PM from 2010 to 2015.
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Pochoclo posted:So funny for a Tory to post this. After the UK leaves the UK, they will go full neoliberal and basically privatise everything they can and borrow, borrow, borrow, until everything blows up in a giant fireball and the pound hits rock-bottom and unemployment reaches 50% Sadly we're too stupid to have proper riots. We'll just bend over & take it & maybe complain about how bad it is while doing nothing about it. Hooray Britain.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Thankfully people saved it Yeah, I saved it but hadn't uploaded it when I went out. Still, what a wally.
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Skinty McEdger posted:He's cheating on his German wife with a young French politician. How cosmopolitan of him.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:Just put Merkel in charge, the British are clearly incapable of governing themselves Hah, no. Get hosed, aside from less racism than May, there's little difference. Rather not have another lovely centre right type thanks. Guavanaut posted:Everyone take out your copybooks, today's lesson is Liberals will always defend right wing populism over any kind of leftism. Write it 100 times. Hahaha, The Guardian have given space to someone from The Federalist. That's peak Guardian. 5th Feb, 1885 - King Leopold II of Belgium has decided that Congo isn't a colony of Belgium, it's a personal possession. This definitely goes badly for the people of Congo. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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jabby posted:Anyone who thinks Labour should support remaining in the EU should watch Caroline Lucas on Peston today. As much as I admire her she had absolutely no answer to the question of 'why did you support a referendum and now reject leaving the EU?' and it's painful to watch. Possibly because it's an impossible question to answer. Plenty of MPs didn't. Incidentally, they were right to oppose the referendum purely for keeping the Tory Party together.
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Cerv posted:Not that many. Just the SNP and Dennis Skinner voted no wasn't it? Jesus, really? That's hilarious. I just assumed that the Labour right would have decided a referendum was a terrible idea. My bad. All of Labour is useless.
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Cerv posted:careful now. if you look back at what the Labour-right leadership said in justification for not voting against the 2015 bill it's the exact same logic as the Corbyn-leadership in not voting against article 50 now. Hence why I said all of the Labour Party is useless. I absolutely think what Corbyn is doing is dumb. Leaving the EU will be bad for poor people. Despite the EU being bad for poor people because neoliberalism inherent to the EU is bad.
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I can be mad at him for both. And in fact I am. Although I am mostly mad at the way that Corbyn has completely failed to hold the Tories to account over Brexit and triggering Article 50. I've pretty much come to terms with the fact that Brexit is inevitable, doesn't mean I don't expect the opposition to do their loving job and at least put the brakes on the worst excesses. Much like why Harriet Harman saying they should abstain on the welfare bill back in 2015 was dreadful, it failed to hold the government to account. Zephro posted:I had a quick look at the Federalist and it seems to be a right-wing, god-and-family, Christianty-with-everything website more than a liberal one They regularly get mocked on Chapo Trap House. Or did before the election anyway.
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TomViolence posted:Christ alive, you lot, why do you still respond to Pissflaps? It's like the Beach Boys once sung: God Only Knows
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Namtab posted:Did someone mention hype manga series: the world God only knows No. Definitely not.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:British children's animation is so bad it makes me want to cry. It's not like they don't have access to the good stuff being pumped out of the US, it's just that they look at it, think "that's nice" then go back to writing garbage. Umm, Rick & Morty is shown in the UK guy, it's cool
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Fangz posted:You can't specify that you only want BAME candidates if it's a paid scheme because of UK employment equality law. I think a newspaper which occasionally attacks inequality & low pay does its cause immeasurable damage by exploiting unpaid schemes like this which ultimately are going to favour people whose parents are wealthy enough to give their kid a 2 week free ride, on top of already paying for them to be able to afford London rents But then liberals are generally terrible on discrimination based on class & economic measures so that's hardly a shocker. Still a lovely look.
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Fangz posted:I think you're making heavy assumptions here. Like the first question is whether you think they are exploiting the students that apply... and the answer is probably not? It's a 2-week mentorship scheme, it costs their employees' time to pay attention to their kids, and it's unlikely they will get much meaningful work out of these kids except for some cups of coffee made. The scheme will be mainly to the applicants' benefit - it's basically a work experience/CV padding exercise. It cuts out anyone who has to meet rent. So yeah, you've got to be from either a family where your folks can afford to pay for you to live in London or commuting distance from London, or live with parents who already live in that area. So yes, it's certainly not going to be only beneficial to those from a well off background, but it remains a fact that these work experience/CV padding things are often hugely beneficial to people and are largely restricted to those who are already from a background where they can afford to go two weeks without being paid. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. It's a very bad thing. It does nothing more than work to entrench inequality further. Yes, it's a common practice for lots of companies, for MPs, and yes, it's hugely problematic in every case. I am deeply opposed to it.
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Fangz posted:I think wealth inequality is important, but racial inequality is also important, and the trade off is necessary here. There's large minority communities in London that can and do benefit from this and having their voices heard is important. Other schemes can focus on the poor. What about people from poor minority communities in Birmingham, in Manchester, in Glasgow, in Bristol? Unpaid internships, even under the excuse of racial equality, are inexcusable. I'm actually staggered someone in UKMT outside of standard contrarians would try to defend them.
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Fangz posted:No one can list the newspapers that don't do unpaid internships. I say with 90% certainty that The Morning Star doesn't have unpaid internships. Anyway, this is a bad excuse. Internships, as The Guardian's writers have admitted, are terrible. While I agree there does need to be a broader representation of minorities in journalism, that's hardly unique to race. Journalism is wholly unrepresentative of Britain as a whole. And going purely by population, the poor are much more unrepresented in that profession (& most other high prestige or high pay jobs). Hell, the only groups not over-represented are those that attended independent schools & those that attended Oxbridge. Anyway, I'll stop now because we're just going over the same ground and it's probably not interesting to read.
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Cerv posted:The morning star is not without its own labour relations problems. Completely agree. The Morning Star is a poor paper in its own respect. Minimum wage pay is shoddy as hell. I've no interest in defending CPGB (or whatever group it is that owns it) shills.
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