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Lurdiak posted:Did he really need to post black canary in a diaper to make that point tho. Weird deviantart poo poo is hilarious, so yes
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Lurdiak posted:Did he really need to post black canary in a diaper to make that point tho. I thought his point was made pretty well the first time he posted and nobody seemed to get it, so yeah maybe.
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X-O posted:His post is calling out people for posting a bunch of random rear end panels for no reason. I feel like that still shouldn't justify lolis.
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People posting black panther, blade, luke cage, and laffo lovely comics attempt at appealing to black people E&c posts huge deviantart pics of white women with huge asses hmmm yess this is the same
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X-O posted:I thought his point was made pretty well the first time he posted and nobody seemed to get it, so yeah maybe. If no one got it than what's the point? Teenage Fansub posted:and nobody's posted the Lois Lane cover yet, so they've all lost anyhow. This one? 
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I enjoyed your thread commentary EC don't feel bad 
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site posted:People posting black panther, blade, luke cage, and laffo lovely comics attempt at appealing to black people I think you need to take a look back at the posts on page one. There are a couple that are decent posts. But most are not.
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To have actual content that isn't just drama, I'll make a post about Static. I'm mostly familiar with the animated version, and the only comics I read were Rebirth of Cool (which was good), the New 52 one (which I remember being very not good), and his brief stint as a member of the Teen Titans (which was also bad). The cartoon is a sort of underrated part of the DCAU I think. Pretty often ignored, which is fair, because I don't think it's as good as some of the other DCAU shows, but I think they did some pretty neat stuff with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLx_tajPn_0 Stupid title aside, I feel like a serious conversation of this kind of thing in a kid's cartoon is pretty out there when the episode isn't an after school special about racism. Of course, it also had this, but nothing's perfect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ76nuzDWCk
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That gun episode was the first episode of the show I saw while it was airing, and I was like "Hmmm I think I can skip this one". I've since watched more of it, and it's not quite that bad all the way, but boy, I doubt I was the only person who passed on it after that aired.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:26
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It made that episode of Batman TAS where some kids have Batman in their basement while they do Home Alone poo poo against the Penguin and his thugs look like Heart of Ice in comparison.
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X-O posted:I think you need to take a look back at the posts on page one. There are a couple that are decent posts. But most are not. Unfortunately you're right, thanks squizzle
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Fun fact about the Lois Lane "I Am Curious Black" issue: It was part of a deeply odd run on Lois Lane by Robert Kanigher, generally more remembered for creating the lion's share of DC's war titles: Sgt. Rock, Losers, Haunted Tank, Enemy Ace, Suicide Squad. But he did a lot more than that, including about a decade on Wonder Woman, co-creating the Metal Men, etc. He was put on Lois Lane at the same time as Jack Kirby took over Jimmy Olsen, sort of as a last-ditch shake-up of two failing books. Where Kirby took Jimmy into the realm of Kirby-ish high cosmic adventure, Kanigher tried to do some socially relevant "real world" stories with Lois. As cringe-y as the idea of using a Kryptonian device to "live a day as a black woman" is on the surface, the issue was an extremely earnest attempt from a fiftysomething white guy to promote civil rights and equality. And it doesn't even end in that issue! She befriends a black doctor in that issue, and after very briefly entertaining the idea of having him be a romantic interest, introduce his girlfriend Tina Ames. Lois then becomes roommates with Tina, and the series has two significant black supporting characters for the remainder of Kanigher's run. This is years before there are any black people on the Justice League or the Legion of Superheroes, before John Stewart, Ron Troupe, Lucius Fox, just about any black characters period at DC. The only real exceptions are Flipper Dipper/Vykin the Black/a couple other minor Kirby characters, and Mal Duncan in Teen Titans, who was co-created by... Robert Kanigher. It's also a weird run because the focus of Kanigher's Lois Lane run is her investigating slumlords, protest marches, pollution, and conditions on Indian reservations, but for cross-brand synergy the force behind these social ills is frequently Intergang, supported by Desaad, Mokkarri, and Darkseid himself. Basically, it's just kind of weird that all this run (and sort of by extension, Kanigher) is best known by 21C fans on the internet as THAT BLACK LOIS LANE COVER. Sorry, everyone can go back to calling me a racist and posting like that one time that Superman wore a black outfit. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Fun fact about the Lois Lane "I Am Curious Black" issue: I had no idea this was actually the case. That is insane. See folks, this is a good post.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:36
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A lot of silver age comics are known almost entirely by their covers at this point. It's rather unfortunate.
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I knew that issue was kinda good and well-intentioned cuz I read it years ago, but I didn't realize the exploration of social issues was a whole thing for that run of Lois Lane. There's really no getting away from how ridiculous a race-changing machine is, though, especially with that pun cover. Even a "super-disguise" would've been less silly.
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Edge & Christian posted:Fun fact about the Lois Lane "I Am Curious Black" issue: Yeah it is funny to laugh at the cover it's pretty obvious it wasn't meant to be malicious.
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Interesting that he was in his 50's and referencing a hip arthouse/porno movie for the kids. He might be even more Don Draper than the last time that cover got me wanting a Mad Men set in 60's-70's comic studios.
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There was a Punisher one in the '90s right? I can't imagine that was any good but who knows. Anyone know the story on that?
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Edge & Christian posted:It's also a weird run because the focus of Kanigher's Lois Lane run is her investigating slumlords, protest marches, pollution, and conditions on Indian reservations, but for cross-brand synergy the force behind these social ills is frequently Intergang, supported by Desaad, Mokkarri, and Darkseid himself. Darkseid is metaphorically evil incarnate so while I usually find him overused and dumb I think this works when you're dealing with "real" issues in a comic book universe; Darkseid may not be a living breathing person pulling the strings of humanity, but he and his minions are an effective stand in for the abstract concept of evil.
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X-O posted:There was a Punisher one in the '90s right? I can't imagine that was any good but who knows. Anyone know the story on that? I read that, it was boring. He's got a price on his head, he goes under the knife, the guy makes him black to "make sure no one can recognize him", he teams up with depowered Luke Cage, they fight some mobsters, the surgery "wears off"(????) and he's white again. They learn some stuff about racism in the most asinine possible way while they have this boring adventure. It's not wacky or insane or shocking or particularly well-written, and deserves to be remembered for that one page of Punisher looking at his black reflection in the mirror in shock and nothing else.
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X-O posted:There was a Punisher one in the '90s right? I can't imagine that was any good but who knows. Anyone know the story on that? EC probably does, but there's a good CBR article on it. Who know's if it survived their site relaunch. Checking... edit: For social issues, I'm guessing that Lois run was kind of a precursor to Dennis O'Neil's GL/GA https://www.amazon.com/Green-Lantern-Arrow-Various/dp/1401235174 Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Lurdiak posted:That gun episode was the first episode of the show I saw while it was airing, and I was like "Hmmm I think I can skip this one". I've since watched more of it, and it's not quite that bad all the way, but boy, I doubt I was the only person who passed on it after that aired. I did this rant before but man. The story that was adapting was in part the end of an award winning arc from the book ("What Are Little Boys Made Of?"), with a recurring villain being shot by Rick when the dude takes out a few cops. It fucks him up because he did a good thing but he still shot a dude, and then the cops come to him because he fired a KOed officer's weapon to do so, so... A lot of fallout from that arc over the next year or so of book. Standards and Practices wasn't so kind.
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Should probably read a bunch of Milestone comics for Black History Month. Anything essential besides Static?
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Roth posted:Should probably read a bunch of Milestone comics for Black History Month. Hardware is pretty fantastic. Also read Steel #34-52.
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Here's an embarrassing but relevant to the thread question. How's Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther?
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Skwirl posted:Here's an embarrassing but relevant to the thread question. How's Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther? I have been told by more than one of my black customers that I probably shouldn't be reading it since "it's not for you."
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Roth posted:Should probably read a bunch of Milestone comics for Black History Month. In all honesty, give the opening two arcs on any book a shot and see if the cast fits with you. I say two arcs because at least one has a shakeup immediately...
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Teenage Fansub posted:Interesting that he was in his 50's and referencing a hip arthouse/porno movie for the kids. He might be even more Don Draper than the last time that cover got me wanting a Mad Men set in 60's-70's comic studios. Due to its scandalousness, it made a ton of money, and was the all-time biggest grossing foreign film (adjusted for inflation) in the US up until around the turn of the century (or later, depending on what estimates/inflation figures you look at). It also was the subject of a bunch of obscenity trials that went all the way to the Supreme Court (which judged it not obscene) therefore putting it even more in the public eye, and also making it the reason Doctor Manhattan and countless others can safely hang dong on the screen and on the page. All of this made it the fodder for all sorts of Johnny Carson monologue jokes, headline puns, and yes comic book covers. Though yeah, it would also be the sort of thing that an older guy might use as shorthand for "HEY HIP YOUNGSTERS, CHECK THIS OUT", not unlike Mark Waid's Champions.
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Edge & Christian posted:"HEY HIP YOUNGSTERS, CHECK THIS OUT", not unlike Mark Waid's Champions. These millennials and their Taliban!
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Teenage Fansub posted:Interesting that he was in his 50's and referencing a hip arthouse/porno movie for the kids. He might be even more Don Draper than the last time that cover got me wanting a Mad Men set in 60's-70's comic studios. In addition to what E&C said, the limited information paths and far less media available of that era allowed for things we may now consider obscure to be used as somewhat obvious references. Rocky & Bullwinkle used Mourning Becomes Electra(-cuted).
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Rhyno posted:I have been told by more than one of my black customers that I probably shouldn't be reading it since "it's not for you."
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X-O posted:There was a Punisher one in the '90s right? I can't imagine that was any good but who knows. Anyone know the story on that? Basically Punisher gets arrested and Jigsaw gets his goons to slice up Punisher's face almost as badly as his own. Punisher breaks out of prison and since he's on the lam finds a hooker he knows who used to be a combat medic or something equally insane and tells her to make it so no one will ever recognize him. Why he's never done this prior is not really discussed, nor why Punisher knows hookers who used to be combat medics who also know plastic surgery AND how to turn a white guy's skin black. The issue ends with Punisher taking off bandages and HE'S BLACK! Where was this going? Good question, because Mike Baron leaves after this issue, and Marcus McLaurin (who I believe was Marvel's second black editor after Priest, and the guy who pushed to make Marvels happen back when Kurt Busiek was a peripheral dude and Alex Ross was busy doing like, Clive Barker comics for him at Epic) had to come in and wrap up the story, tying it into the Cage series he was writing at the time and basically handwaving it away as "well um whatever that doctor did to you, it's going to wear off in a week or so". And it did! I don't believe anyone involved (Baron, McLaurin, editor Don Daley) are still actively involved in comics, but I'd love to see an interview with any of them about this. WickedHate posted:Darkseid is metaphorically evil incarnate so while I usually find him overused and dumb I think this works when you're dealing with "real" issues in a comic book universe; Darkseid may not be a living breathing person pulling the strings of humanity, but he and his minions are an effective stand in for the abstract concept of evil. Teenage Fansub posted:edit: For social issues, I'm guessing that Lois run was kind of a precursor to Dennis O'Neil's GL/GA https://www.amazon.com/Green-Lantern-Arrow-Various/dp/1401235174 And yeah, in terms of Milestone I'd say pretty much every single one of their books has a lot going for them, at least for the first few years. I haven't read some of them since they came out, but I'd roughly say the pecking order goes: TOP TIER: Static Year 1 (Washington/Leon), Blood Syndicate, Icon, Xombi STILL REALLY GOOD: Static Year 2 (Velez/various), Hardware (until McDuffie's run stops), My Name is Holocaust, Shadow Cabinet Almost literally everything else is worth giving a read if you enjoy the stuff above. Even when it occasionally gets rough craftwise or super 1990s, if nothing else a lot of the missable stuff gives you a chance to see protean work from people like JH Williams III, Tommy Lee Edwards, Shawn Martinborough, Humberto Ramos, Kurt Busiek, etc.
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CapnAndy posted:I'm a sheltered-rear end white suburban nerd and I love it, though. Because it's really loving good. Ssshhhhhh, they might be listening.
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Edge & Christian posted:I don't believe anyone involved (Baron, McLaurin, editor Don Daley) are still actively involved in comics, but I'd love to see an interview with any of them about this. I have a distinct memory of seeing SOMEONE who was involved in that talk about it on video. I want to say it was on this forgotten program. They didn't go into it for very long at any rate. It was basically "Yeah that was really stupid."
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Rhyno posted:I have been told by more than one of my black customers that I probably shouldn't be reading it since "it's not for you."
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Teenage Fansub posted:In the legal small print of each issue it says "No Rhino's allowed.' But that means you're allowed to have one.
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Zachack posted:But that means you're allowed to have one. / 
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Roth posted:The cartoon is a sort of underrated part of the DCAU I think. Pretty often ignored, which is fair, because I don't think it's as good as some of the other DCAU shows, but I think they did some pretty neat stuff with it. I liked the Static Shock episode where he meets this forgotten 1970s superhero called Soul Power, who was an homage to blaxploitation characters. He was voiced by Brock Peters, looked (in the flashback scenes) like Jim Kelly, drove a Soulmobile and had a hideout called the Power Pad.
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I also remember an episode that had Shaq in it as a main character.
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