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Gretzky didn't look that impressive either but he put up the points just like Vlad.
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Now's the time to get Zac Rinaldo back, Philly.
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Feb 6, 2017 17:24
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Soft Shell Crab posted:Gretzky didn't look that impressive either but he put up the points just like Vlad. I don't know why people say this, Gretzky was utterly dominant in his prime and looked every bit of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6WOzWO9v2A The "bad skater" myth is the worst one, he dominates with his skating, particularly his lateral mobility.
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Feb 6, 2017 17:46
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DJExile posted:that quote at the end is great International flights play by the stricter international rules. Domestic flights in Russia are what you need to be scared of. Like the Lokomotiv disaster, or that time a pilot let his kids fly the plane.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:10
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bewbies posted:he grows on you after some period of time, you just have to wait it out
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T-Bone posted:I don't know why people say this, Gretzky was utterly dominant in his prime and looked every bit of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6WOzWO9v2A because people can't believe that a.) players back in those days were actually any good because have you seen the goaltending and defense? b.) if a player doesn't look physically imposing there's no way he could actually be that good and dominant.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:18
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Main thing that stood out to me in that video his how far forward dudes bent at the waist when building up speed. Gretzky could almost kiss his knees in some of those rushes. Compare to a modern skater like Crosby where they use more of a squat, keeping their nose more or less even with their knees.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:19
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T-Bone posted:I don't know why people say this, Gretzky was utterly dominant in his prime and looked every bit of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6WOzWO9v2A Looks like a bunch of slow amateurs that Vladimir could easily dominate.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:20
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TK back in the lineup! But scratching Read, the only player to score a 5 on 5 goal for the Flyers in the last 3 games Ghost still out. Dave Isaac thinks sitting Ghost again is really starting to irritate the rest of the team.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:24
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Goddamn Gretzky threading the loving needle like it's nothing
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Goddamn Gretzky threading the loving needle like it's nothing Well see all NHLers back then were pylons incapable of playing defense because they were still winded from chain smoking on the bench. So actually Gretzky was a really bad hockey player.
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Goddamn Gretzky threading the loving needle like it's nothing I like when decides to randomly skate towards the boards in the neutral zone and do a blind spinorama pass to a streaking Kurri. That poo poo would gently caress up defenses today too if he was doing that.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:35
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xzzy posted:Well see all NHLers back then were pylons incapable of playing defense because they were still winded from chain smoking on the bench. So actually Gretzky was a really bad hockey player. The goalies were spectacularly lovely though.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:35
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ThinkTank posted:The goalies were spectacularly lovely though. Yeah but everyone else got to play against them too, and they didn't put up 200 point seasons.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:36
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There's also the issue of Tony Esposito, who shows up in that video a few times getting schooled by 99 and 17. Unless people are saying Tony O was a bad goaltender at which point there might be a fight breaking out soon. 
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Feb 6, 2017 18:43
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah but everyone else got to play against them too, and they didn't put up 200 point seasons. Oh yeah, Gretzky was fantastic no question but in the mid-80s average save percentage hovered around .875 a full 40 points lower than it is today. It's an imperfect system to be sure, but an era adjusted Gretzky is still #1 in points but by a considerably smaller margin. It's nearly impossible to overstate how much the advent of butterfly goaltending changed the sport.
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ThinkTank posted:Oh yeah, Gretzky was fantastic no question but in the mid-80s average save percentage hovered around .875 a full 40 points lower than it is today. It's an imperfect system to be sure, but an era adjusted Gretzky is still #1 in points but by a considerably smaller margin. It's nearly impossible to overstate how much the advent of butterfly goaltending changed the sport. He'd still figure out a way to get endless goals.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:49
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NHL should figure out how to get the league average back to .875, make it priority #1.
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The other question I have is what was the average sog/game back then vs now.
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xzzy posted:NHL should figure out how to get the league average back to .875, make it priority #1. New rule: All teams must share and use Brian Elliott and Jake Allen.
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xzzy posted:NHL should figure out how to get the league average back to .875, make it priority #1. Cap goalie height/weight at 5'3"/110lbs.
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iospace posted:The other question I have is what was the average sog/game back then vs now. It's essentially unchanged. Teams averaged 30.0 shots against in 1986/87 which is exactly the same as this year. Average shots against per season have maxed out at 31.0 (1985/86) and bottomed out at 27.3 (1997/98). Goalies were letting in 1 more shot per game though. League averages by year ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 18:54
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ThinkTank posted:Cap goalie height/weight at 5'3"/110lbs. Let's just start chopping off goalies legs
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xzzy posted:NHL should figure out how to get the league average back to .875, make it priority #1. I don't know why people don't go with the obvious answer and just give every goalie and eye patch. No depth-perception. Bing bong so simple
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Half of the players in the Gretzky-era NHL were snorting coke and chugging vodka between periods, and focused most of their energy on murdering each other. The puck was of secondary importance. Gretzky was really good at paying attention to the puck.
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Feb 6, 2017 19:08
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I think the goalie for each team should be a dog
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Gretzky was also a really great player deep into the 90's. In 98 he was 1 point off 2nd for scoring when he was 37, his back was shot and he was on a crap team.
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Goalies get assymetric leg pads. One like the modern ones, and one more like a skater's. A harder, more armorlike leg protector.
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Rotten Cookies posted:Goalies get assymetric leg pads. One like the modern ones, and one more like a skater's. A harder, more armorlike leg protector. gently caress it, goalies play in plate mail from here in out
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Feb 6, 2017 19:12
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I bet Adam McQuaid could beat up Wayne Gretzky.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I think the goalie for each team should be a dog You're not going far enough, replace all players with dogs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xB7YGXXNj8
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No goalies just play 5v5 with nets down
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Stretch Marx posted:Found on /r/hockey Underrated part of the first goal is Matthews picking Backes' pocket like a seasoned vet. Well done. Spring Break My Heart posted:Gretzky was also a really great player deep into the 90's. In 98 he was 1 point off 2nd for scoring when he was 37, his back was shot and he was on a crap team. I was saying to my boss the other day whilst talking hockey that it's a testament to Wayne's greatness that Wayne's idea of "washed up" is averaging nearly a PPG still (he had 62 in 70, which is .88 a game).
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I really don't see why making the nets bigger is seen as such a fundamental and sacreligious change that it's seemingly a non-starter everywhere I see it discussed but somehow changes like making the whole rink bigger or eliminating offsides or other radical rule changes are taken more seriously.
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Aren't international rinks bigger?
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Ginette Reno posted:You know some other team will be dumb and/or desperate enough to trade for him. Even if not, the Pens will buy him out if they have to, or bribe LV not to take MM. Obviously buying out Fleury is the failsafe, although it's possible he somehow gets hurt at the end of the season and can't be bought out (that's a thing right?) The thing I can't seem to figure out is the Pittsburgh bribing Vegas thing. If Murray has to be exposed, what could the Penguins possibly offer Vegas that would be better than just taking Murray for free? Like, Pittsburgh won the cup last year and are looking pretty good this year too, so their draft picks have to be some of the least valuable. Presumably Vegas can pick up depth and AHL players from lots of other teams or wherever. Is there some roster player(s) or prospect(s) that Pittsburgh can and would part with that would convince Vegas not to take the good, young, free goalie?
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iospace posted:Aren't international rinks bigger? Yes, definitely wider, maybe a touch longer too. Shawn Cotureier posted:TK back in the lineup! But scratching Read, the only player to score a 5 on 5 goal for the Flyers in the last 3 games Read's been really hit-and-miss going back to last year, so that's not the most shocking thing. I really don't get continuing to scratch Ghost though unless there's something going on behind the scenes nobody's aware of.
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DJExile posted:Yes, definitely wider, maybe a touch longer too. That's just a stereotype.
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If you're a GM and you're not at least inquiring about Ghost and your team needs D help, you ain't doin' your job.
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Lemieux coming back in old dead puck 01 and putting up 76 in 43 is probably my favorite old man season. Granted no one would touch him until the playoffs, but man. It was a bit tragic when the Devils smoked them in the ECF, doubly so when they didn't even finish it off because of the league wide conspiracy to make Ray Bourque feel good e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rUmV8QJ8dA&t=457s T-Bone fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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