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get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

funny thing: cuomo didn't vote at all in the DNC leadership election and told other NY party officials to do whatever. that likely means that he let someone else do the dirty work of sinking Ellison so he could claim plausible deniability later

on the bright side, Michael Blake actually did win as vice-chair and he made it clear that it's important to run in every district in every state. i'm discouraged but not hopelessly so, just means we need to continue to be loud

# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:28

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 04:50

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

funny thing: cuomo didn't vote at all in the DNC leadership election and told other NY party officials to do whatever. that likely means that he let someone else do the dirty work of sinking Ellison so he could claim plausible deniability later

on the bright side, Michael Blake actually did win as vice-chair and he made it clear that it's important to run in every district in every state. i'm discouraged but not hopelessly so, just means we need to continue to be loud

Yes, there's nothing Cuomo cares more about than what a bunch of self declared sadbrained socialists want. It's not the case at all that it's exactly what he wants so he can do the exact opposite of what said sadbrains want, third way style

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:27

99 CENTS AMIGO: Jul 22, 2007

yo gobbagool, shouldn't you be trying to outlaw dancing in your county or something instead of posting

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:35

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

yo gobbagool, shouldn't you be trying to outlaw dancing in your county or something instead of posting

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:45

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

gobbagool posted:

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:46

zakharov: Nov 30, 2002; Tater Love

gobbagool posted:

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

Lmao

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:52

Grondoth: Feb 18, 2011

gobbagool posted:

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

What? Dude everyone hates Cuomo. Like the first post complains about him.

# ? Feb 28, 2017 19:54

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

gobbagool posted:

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

fuckin lmbo for days

# ? Feb 28, 2017 20:04

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

gobbagool posted:

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

did you read the post i made before the one i quoted, you dunce?

# ? Feb 28, 2017 22:35

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

did you read the post i made before the one i quoted, you dunce?

Too late, the crowd has spoken

# ? Mar 1, 2017 00:24

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

*gobbagool experiences a pang of introspection, quickly tamps it down*

No, it's the children who are wrong.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 02:10

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

Ol Standard Retard posted:

*gobbagool experiences a pang of introspection, quickly tamps it down*

No, it's the children who are wrong.

They're always wrong though

# ? Mar 1, 2017 02:15

Snowy: Oct 6, 2010; A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense

Hey how'd that Queens DSA meeting go? I have a cold and didn't want to sabotage the insurgency.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 03:26

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

Snowy posted:

Hey how'd that Queens DSA meeting go? I have a cold and didn't want to sabotage the insurgency.

They couldn't agree on weather or not pineapple is a counter revolutionary topping so they did the only proper socialist thing and skipped out on the bill

# ? Mar 1, 2017 03:41

Crusader: Apr 11, 2002

Snowy posted:

Hey how'd that Queens DSA meeting go? I have a cold and didn't want to sabotage the insurgency.

I thought it went well; it was my first DSA meeting and the organizers seemed well equipped to deal with the surge of interest - most of the time was spent introducing the various city-wide working groups (this is from memory so apologies if I miss any):

-Labor
-Feminism
-Racial Justice
-Immigration Justice
-Climate
-Housing
-Electoral

Crusader has issued a correction as of 16:09 on Mar 1, 2017

# ? Mar 1, 2017 16:03

unbutthurtable: Dec 2, 2016; Total. Tox. Rereg.; College Slice

Yeah, we actually had some hiccups, and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out after all.

https://twitter.com/fotemp/status/836732961726808064

We did an introduction to the working groups so people can start to get involved on issue campaigns, that was a our big thing. Next meeting is March 22nd, a Wednesday. Location TBD.

Thanks to all the goons who showed up! I think it was about half a dozen or so

# ? Mar 1, 2017 16:57

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

Hey let's talk about this bill here, instead of in the food suggestion thread.
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text
The text of the senate bill hasn't been submitted yet, but I'm sure it will look similar to various other bills that have passed one of the houses in the past:

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr38/BILLS-115hr38ih.xml
Here is the house bill.

Now specifically in local news the NYPD Commissioner is "concerned."
http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...mmissioner.html

I say this is a good thing. The reason it's a good thing is that currently gun-laws are a state-by-state patch-work of laws that are basically incompatible with each other. Because the subject is "guns" typically the consequences for violating that patch work of laws are serious, possibly even felony's. Now there are a lot of patch-work laws in the US, Driving, Drugs, Agriculture, Insurance, etc. Though almost always, what is legal in one state is legal in all states, you see this with marriage for example, some notable exceptions are guns and drugs.

Now it should be fairly uncontroversial to say that drug laws as they currently exist are ridiculous. Something that is 100% legal in Colorado, is a Felony in Nebraska (hash or concentrates). This won't change for a long time because for most things, they are 100% under the states purview which is why Marijuana is legal in Colorado, but not in many neighboring states.

Gun's however are 100% under Federal Purview as they are explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights. It's an open question just how much states can regulate guns themselves, but one thing that has been consistent is that you can't "Ban" guns on a state level. You can de-facto ban them, like NYC and many other cities and California has done, but it's still a fine line.

Now why does this matter and how does it relate to the bills above and of course, why is it a good thing?

I say if you actually care about reducing gun-violence and are more interested in helping people rather then using "gun control" as a dogwhistle for banning them, the first thing you need is federal standardization of the law. Why? Because currently you can go to a state that has almost zero laws on purchasing guns, buy as many as you want, then head to a city like Chicago, or New York and sell those guns at quite a bit of mark-up with basically zero risk. The record of the sales are federal, if they exist at all, and once you've sold those guns the connection to you specifically is tenuous at best. The only chance the police have is to catch you in the act.

So how would a the above laws help? Well it would be a first step to standardizing gun laws on the federal level. Ideally it will lead to the dissolution of all the state ccw laws, to be replaced with a single federal CCL with specific requirements to qualify for them. Sure this would upset out-of-touch people from here, but the trade-off would be more strict federal requirements on who can actually purchase and sell guns in the US with the eventual goal of stopping straw-purchases completely. If straw-purchases go away, the supply of illegal guns to these communities impacted by violence drops greatly. Violence decreases, and people who want a gun are still able to get one.

Win/Win imo.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 20:58

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Hey let's talk about this bill here, instead of in the food suggestion thread.
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text
The text of the senate bill hasn't been submitted yet, but I'm sure it will look similar to various other bills that have passed one of the houses in the past:

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr38/BILLS-115hr38ih.xml
Here is the house bill.

Now specifically in local news the NYPD Commissioner is "concerned."
http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...mmissioner.html

I say this is a good thing. The reason it's a good thing is that currently gun-laws are a state-by-state patch-work of laws that are basically incompatible with each other. Because the subject is "guns" typically the consequences for violating that patch work of laws are serious, possibly even felony's. Now there are a lot of patch-work laws in the US, Driving, Drugs, Agriculture, Insurance, etc. Though almost always, what is legal in one state is legal in all states, you see this with marriage for example, some notable exceptions are guns and drugs.

Now it should be fairly uncontroversial to say that drug laws as they currently exist are ridiculous. Something that is 100% legal in Colorado, is a Felony in Nebraska (hash or concentrates). This won't change for a long time because for most things, they are 100% under the states purview which is why Marijuana is legal in Colorado, but not in many neighboring states.

Gun's however are 100% under Federal Purview as they are explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights. It's an open question just how much states can regulate guns themselves, but one thing that has been consistent is that you can't "Ban" guns on a state level. You can de-facto ban them, like NYC and many other cities and California has done, but it's still a fine line.

Now why does this matter and how does it relate to the bills above and of course, why is it a good thing?

I say if you actually care about reducing gun-violence and are more interested in helping people rather then using "gun control" as a dogwhistle for banning them, the first thing you need is federal standardization of the law. Why? Because currently you can go to a state that has almost zero laws on purchasing guns, buy as many as you want, then head to a city like Chicago, or New York and sell those guns at quite a bit of mark-up with basically zero risk. The record of the sales are federal, if they exist at all, and once you've sold those guns the connection to you specifically is tenuous at best. The only chance the police have is to catch you in the act.

So how would a the above laws help? Well it would be a first step to standardizing gun laws on the federal level. Ideally it will lead to the dissolution of all the state ccw laws, to be replaced with a single federal CCL with specific requirements to qualify for them. Sure this would upset out-of-touch people from here, but the trade-off would be more strict federal requirements on who can actually purchase and sell guns in the US with the eventual goal of stopping straw-purchases completely. If straw-purchases go away, the supply of illegal guns to these communities impacted by violence drops greatly. Violence decreases, and people who want a gun are still able to get one.

Win/Win imo.

I'm stoked about this. I'm a NYS conceal carry permit holder, and go to the gulf coast for spring break. Even though I could probably buy a pistol on a whim in Alabama, i can't carry mine there, dumb as hell. It's a civil right no matter how much it makes libs wet themselves

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:24

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

I think it's awfu, for a variety of reasons, namely that any increase of gun ownership leads to a greater likelihood of violence from those same guns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/), and that I as NYC resident do not want to live in a city that accepts willy nilly the carrying of guns without the regulations and training that I think is necessary, and woefully missing in many localities issuing permits across the US.

I like living in a city that tries to dissuade people from packing handguns as much as possible, and I live in this city because of those and other progressive values, this bill is an affront and an attempt to take away the choice to live in and reside in a polity that reflects my (and most of this city's) values.

Also lol at the federal govt doing ANYTHING regarding guns than encourage their profligaration and greater loosening of regulations, training, and common sense.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:35

99 CENTS AMIGO: Jul 22, 2007

Yeah, this is foolish accelerationism that anticipates gun control to follow, and there's no damned way that happens federally. More people will die waiting for a release valve that'll never be operated.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:59

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

Yeah, this is foolish accelerationism that anticipates gun control to follow, and there's no damned way that happens federally. More people will die waiting for a release valve that'll never be operated.

Where are these deaths coming from and why aren't they here already? And how is that worse then the status quo?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 23:00

unbutthurtable: Dec 2, 2016; Total. Tox. Rereg.; College Slice

gobbagool posted:

I'm stoked about this. I'm a NYS conceal carry permit holder, and go to the gulf coast for spring break. Even though I could probably buy a pistol on a whim in Alabama, i can't carry mine there, dumb as hell. It's a civil right no matter how much it makes libs wet themselves

lol

# ? Mar 2, 2017 23:04

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

Yeah, this is foolish accelerationism that anticipates gun control to follow, and there's no damned way that happens federally. More people will die waiting for a release valve that'll never be operated.

Or, you know, conceal carry permit holders, who as a group commit astonishingly little crime, will be allowed to carry places and continue to not commit crime. The only victims of this will be Tezzor and the rest of his anti civil rights gaggle.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:14

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

Shageletic posted:

I think it's awfu, for a variety of reasons, namely that any increase of gun ownership leads to a greater likelihood of violence from those same guns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/), and that I as NYC resident do not want to live in a city that accepts willy nilly the carrying of guns without the regulations and training that I think is necessary, and woefully missing in many localities issuing permits across the US.

I like living in a city that tries to dissuade people from packing handguns as much as possible, and I live in this city because of those and other progressive values, this bill is an affront and an attempt to take away the choice to live in and reside in a polity that reflects my (and most of this city's) values.

Also lol at the federal govt doing ANYTHING regarding guns than encourage their profligaration and greater loosening of regulations, training, and common sense.

Gee a guy with a Joe Biden avatar having a totally retarded opinion about guns? Knock me over with a loving feather!

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:16

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

Shageletic posted:

I think it's awfu, for a variety of reasons, namely that any increase of gun ownership leads to a greater likelihood of violence from those same guns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/), and that I as NYC resident do not want to live in a city that accepts willy nilly the carrying of guns without the regulations and training that I think is necessary, and woefully missing in many localities issuing permits across the US.

I like living in a city that tries to dissuade people from packing handguns as much as possible, and I live in this city because of those and other progressive values, this bill is an affront and an attempt to take away the choice to live in and reside in a polity that reflects my (and most of this city's) values.

Also lol at the federal govt doing ANYTHING regarding guns than encourage their profligaration and greater loosening of regulations, training, and common sense.

I think guns are good because they can help in a revolutionary struggle.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:25

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

It would work as a way to sneak in a means to regulate and track guns, but since we have a Republican majority it's going lead to a national stand your ground law.

Edit:
Should note that

Panzeh posted:

I think guns are good because they can help in a revolutionary struggle.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:25

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

gobbagool posted:

Gee a guy with a Joe Biden avatar having a totally retarded opinion about guns? Knock me over with a loving feather!

You sure got me there.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:28

zakharov: Nov 30, 2002; Tater Love

gobbagool posted:

Gee a guy with a Joe Biden avatar having a totally retarded opinion about guns? Knock me over with a loving feather!

Two people posted well-reasoned arguments on opposite sides of the issue without flaming anyone and you managed to be a dick for no reason, congrats to you

# ? Mar 3, 2017 00:37

Snowy: Oct 6, 2010; A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense

I voted for Obama twice and he never seized everyone's guns :wtf:

Hopefully he can do better with the shadow government thing he's running now.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 02:13

Scrub-Niggurath: Nov 27, 2007

Shooting clays upstate is an under-appreciated pastime for new yorkers imho

# ? Mar 3, 2017 03:33

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

zakharov posted:

Two people posted well-reasoned arguments on opposite sides of the issue without flaming anyone and you managed to be a dick for no reason, congrats to you

It's gobbagool, there is reason he doesn't post in the food-chat thread.

That said, I am not at all worried about an increased number of CCW's, and I still believe standardized federal law is a necessary first step for effective gun-control.

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Shooting clays upstate is an under-appreciated pastime for new yorkers imho

Agreed.

# ? Mar 3, 2017 04:15

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

We really need to up our fash bashing game.

https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/837674796959875073

# ? Mar 3, 2017 16:10

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

that de facto federal concealed carry law is a stupid idea for reasons already stated, but if i weren't a person who easily gets angry at stupid poo poo, i'd consider taking advantage of it. these jewish cemetery desecrations are getting way out of hand and it'll probably devolve into arsons and attacks

# ? Mar 3, 2017 23:53

gobbagool: Feb 5, 2016; by R. Guyovich; Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

that de facto federal concealed carry law is a stupid idea for reasons already stated, but if i weren't a person who easily gets angry at stupid poo poo, i'd consider taking advantage of it. these jewish cemetery desecrations are getting way out of hand and it'll probably devolve into arsons and attacks

Yeah someone's got to protect the Jews from the anti trump communists

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/

# ? Mar 4, 2017 01:17