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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Omnikin posted:

same

Also I'm an Albanite (Albanian? Albanyer?) so ask me anything you'd like about literally ruining lives for millions of NYC citizens

Myself as well! Plus, for work I deal with high levels of both State and City Government. I can tell you this, Cuomo is a rank amateur compared to DiBlasio, when it comes to ruining the lives of residents of NYC, but because it's NYC it's going to plod along no matter how horrible the leadership is. To Diblasio's credit he's brought in some pretty good help to run the various Departments, now if he could stop meddling in the day to day efforts of those Departments, that would be something.

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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

GO gently caress YOURSELF posted:

What's the story with Cuomo's constitutional amendment to protect LGBTQ people? Is that announcement just a publicity stunt or is he actually doing it?

So remember after Sandy Hook when there was a moment when maybe it felt like there migth be some kind of popular movement for gun control? Remember when Andrew Cuomo went on TV and, spit flying from his mouth, raged like a lunatic about how one doesn't need 7 bullets to kill a deer? Then he put forth the SAFE act, probably one of the dumbest pieces of gun control legislation in history? Yeah, so point being, Cuomo loves to jump on bandwagons. He has neither the brains nor the grace of his father, nor so far as I can tell, any animating philosophy beyond "Andrew Cuomo". Of course it's a publicity stunt.


edit: I should add, as an upstate gunhaver, the only upside of the SAFE act (for the rest of the country, at least) is that it 100% assures that Cuomo's presidential ambitions are ruined

gobbagool has issued a correction as of 19:42 on Feb 2, 2017

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Maed posted:

I know that state succession is unconstitutional but would it be legal for us to give Staten Island to New Jersey? Has there been any large areas moved between states in the past century? I feel like this one simple trick could help us with some of our problems.

Many of us upstate would be glad to give everything south of Orange and Putnam county to NJ. You could then outlaw guns and cars and meat and whatever else you don't like and leave the rest of us alone

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Maed posted:

Sorry but you'll take my antiquing and hiking in Cold Spring from my cold dead hands. Which will probably be easy with all your guns and stuff.

You're certainly welcome to keep your "country houses" here and your money will continue to be good at every overpriced 'antique' shop on rte 20

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

theflyingexecutive posted:

lol yeah the city is the real burden on the state

It's obviously not a financial burden, but there's a huge cultural divide, and it really doesn't make sense to pretend it's one state. Look at the SAFE act as a perfect example. What makes perfect sense to a NY Times writer living in the upper east side, makes zero sense to a guy in suburban albany, or buffalo. The cultural sensibilities of NYC should not drive politics for the whole state, but they do. Not too many people upstate would claim that USNY would be better off financially without NYC, but most would also be willing to pay the price. NYC cultural hegemony is strident and oppressive enough that most would be willing to be less wealthy to get away from it, which is one of the reasons that USNY has been bleeding people so hard for so long

edit; yeah I get there are tons of other factors in the de-peopling of USNY. I was 10 when they announced the chevy foundry in tonawanda was closing, like 30k ppl lost their jobs overnight including most of my friends dads. a fair chunk of them moved to florida

gobbagool has issued a correction as of 22:26 on Feb 2, 2017

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

theflyingexecutive posted:

I don't think people should have to die in the cities so some rear end in a top hat in Owego can have an assault rife and buy bunkers full of ammo with no paper trail. What undue burdens does the SAFE act place on upstate? Even the nys sheriffs were only opposed to the assault weapons and high-capacity mag restrictions. It was written specifically to stop another sandy hook massacre, which most certainly didn't occur in the inner city

people in cities werent/arent dying because a rifle had a pistol grip or a 'muzzle brake'. Your statement is perfect NYC. What exactly about the SAFE act would have prevented Sandy Hook? Even your statement about the NYS sheriffs (which I believe you mean the NYS Police) shows how little you understand things. The union for the NYSP told the state to go gently caress itself and advised it's members to avoid enforcing the law, which they largely have since it is correctly seen as meddling from a bunch of culture war imperialists.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Mechafunkzilla posted:

According to a SUNY study in 2011, upstate NY has 36% of the state's population, generates 28% of its tax revenues, and receives 42% of its spending. Take away NYC and its suburbs and you'd basically have to slash per capita state spending by a third, which is enormous.

Yeah I realize that. It doesn't make anyone in usny like NYC any more though

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

DoctorWhat posted:

i am going to take away your guns

Basically nobody registered their ars and aks so the law has been ignored. Make libs furious with this one easy trick!

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Mechafunkzilla posted:

So, if the laws are ineffective and everyone still has their guns, why does anyone give a poo poo? Where's the strident cultural oppression you're going on about? How does NYC's supposed political hegemony (which is absurd, the state senate is dominated by upstate Republicans and has been for 50 years) affect the lives of upstate residents in a negative way?

The mail order ammo ban is the big thing, and the overnight criminalization of ~1 million or so otherwise law abiding citizens is the other. If you're not a formerly law abiding citizen who didn't want to turn your rifle over to Prince Andrew, it's probably hard for you to grasp why this would piss people off so bad.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Cubey posted:

capital region peeps only dislike nyc peeps who come upstate. everyone who i've ever known liked nyc itself.

Agreed, that's what I meant, we all love going to the city, and hell I work there. I don't carry there though!

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Awkward Davies posted:

There's more of us, and we make more money, and we have our cultural hegemony, so I'm thinking we'll win.

Yes we get it, Chuck Schumer is your president

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Weeping Wound posted:

Anyone have any knowledge about the Finger Lakes area trying to secede to Pennsylvania over fracking rights? I've heard about that kind of shale under the surrounding area, and uh, something about a movement to partition over to Pennsylvania so that they can take advantage of it.

My attention on the subject sort of dropped off, but I wonder if that's still fomenting or if it died out altogether.

Variations on a theme. Because some effete sierra club doner with money who's never left the inner boroughs doesn't like fracking, prince Andrew says no fracking anywhere in the state even for you poor bastards in Chautauqua county who have nothing else going on

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

DoctorWhat posted:

Yeah, because "not poisoning groundwater" is totally a effete bougie trend, like going gluten-free.

FYI, it is. Try getting out of Brooklyn, there's a whole big world out there

Edit: Gentry liberal was the insult I was looking for. You're a gentry liberal

gobbagool has issued a correction as of 02:31 on Feb 3, 2017

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

DoctorWhat posted:

So you're admitting that fracking is an environmental disaster?

Nope. Acknowledging the reality that downstate nanny types love to tell the rest of us what to do

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

LmaoTheKid posted:

HEY YOU NYC PUSSIES AND CUCKS, I LOVE IT WHEN WE POISON THE DRINKING WATER. ITS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY OK!?! TRY PUTTING DOWN YOUR LATTE AND COME HAVE SOME OF MY WATER, I CAN EVEN LIGHT IT ON FIRE - a complete loving moron

Another downstate doushebag self identifies

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

KingNastidon posted:

Don't sleep on the National Comedy Center in Jamestown, friend. Think of all the people that are going to fly into Buffalo and drive 90 minutes to Jamestown in lake effect snow to see some Lucy memorabilia. That will surely be the thing to turn the local economy around, stop the drain brain, and rid the area of heroin.

Banning fracking has certainly brought a ton of jobs there. Ima taxpayer in that county. Doesn't get much worse

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

theflyingexecutive posted:

and he announced his candidacy on the steps of the tweed courthouse. I said to myself "surely that is not named for the infamously corrupt democratic politician boss tweed, of whom I had learned a great deal about in social studies classes stretching back to fourth loving grade"

It's NYC DOE's HQ. As someone who does extensive business with the NYC DOE, it is apt that they are HQ'd in a building named after a famously corrupt pol

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

theflyingexecutive posted:

I tried to construct a metaphor for the longest time but couldn't because tweed is the literal textbook example of American political corruption

his ghost roams the halls there. he's still calling the shots.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

financially racist posted:

paul tonko: one of the most liberal members of congress

kirsten gillibrand: actual literal blue dog

She's pretty much the worst of both worlds. She loves to pick dumb culture war fights, while carrying the water for goldman sachs and the rest of Chuck Schumer's enablers. Tonko is my rep to, and even though I'm a conservative, i voted for him and believe he's done a good job for us. plus when he was in the assembly, he had an office in Schenectady next to the deli I used to eat at every day, and his office team were very nice.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Uncle Wemus posted:

How does the rest of the state view NYC

Self important blowhards the vast vast vast majority of whom are no more special than your average upstate Stewart's cashier, but seem to think that because they live in Brooklyn, they are important

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Grondoth posted:

Also you guys are the capital of Finance, which is pretty much the most evil industry on the planet next to Diamond Mining, so don't get all morally righteous cause you can get Ethiopian takeout

A good point; virtually everything that the most obnoxious City types hold special about NYC exists solely because of the Finance sector in one sense or another. The irony is that the actual scumbags that work on wall st are less obnoxious about the magic of NYC than the anime Marxists in Brooklyn

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Matt Zerella posted:

:lol: upstate guy doesn't realize said bankers now live in Brooklyn.

Jesus dude if you're going to be an upstate downstate console warrior maybe get your facts straight?

Yeah the bankers that can't afford to live in the city. I live upstate but work in the city. None of this is a mystery and you edgy millennial Brooklynites are terrible bores but sure love to condescend to everyone outside of your parochial existence

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Grondoth posted:

Does it really matter which burough they live in? They still go and work on the street with a literal golden calf and ruin the whole world.

Correct. Hobbyist socialists in Brooklyn condescend to everyone else based on cultural Imperialism, enabled 100% by money generated by their dads on wall st

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Matt Zerella posted:

You're not going to get an argument from me here. But it matters when people who live in Brooklyn are called "anime Marxists" when that's not the case at all.

Yeah nothing like discussing the oppression of the worker over a $7 cup of coffee

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Grondoth posted:

Oh this explains a lot. I'd want to burn the drat place to the ground if I didn't want to live in it but had to work there, so GO there, like every day.

Nah I'm only there once or twice a month. Always glad to roll off the island on the train. I enjoy the City and the people there but the punk rear end bitches from Brooklyn are tiresome in their need to feel superior.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Grondoth posted:

Why you eatin' anything from Stewart's except the ice cream?

The sriracha chicken roll things are good, for convenience stood food

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

funny thing: cuomo didn't vote at all in the DNC leadership election and told other NY party officials to do whatever. that likely means that he let someone else do the dirty work of sinking Ellison so he could claim plausible deniability later

on the bright side, Michael Blake actually did win as vice-chair and he made it clear that it's important to run in every district in every state. i'm discouraged but not hopelessly so, just means we need to continue to be loud

Yes, there's nothing Cuomo cares more about than what a bunch of self declared sadbrained socialists want. It's not the case at all that it's exactly what he wants so he can do the exact opposite of what said sadbrains want, third way style

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

yo gobbagool, shouldn't you be trying to outlaw dancing in your county or something instead of posting

the only thing more enjoyable than outlawing dancing is watching NYC socialists pretending that Cuomo is one of their own

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

did you read the post i made before the one i quoted, you dunce?

Too late, the crowd has spoken

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Ol Standard Retard posted:

*gobbagool experiences a pang of introspection, quickly tamps it down*

No, it's the children who are wrong.

They're always wrong though

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Snowy posted:

Hey how'd that Queens DSA meeting go? I have a cold and didn't want to sabotage the insurgency.

They couldn't agree on weather or not pineapple is a counter revolutionary topping so they did the only proper socialist thing and skipped out on the bill

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Hey let's talk about this bill here, instead of in the food suggestion thread.
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text
The text of the senate bill hasn't been submitted yet, but I'm sure it will look similar to various other bills that have passed one of the houses in the past:

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr38/BILLS-115hr38ih.xml
Here is the house bill.

Now specifically in local news the NYPD Commissioner is "concerned."
http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...mmissioner.html

I say this is a good thing. The reason it's a good thing is that currently gun-laws are a state-by-state patch-work of laws that are basically incompatible with each other. Because the subject is "guns" typically the consequences for violating that patch work of laws are serious, possibly even felony's. Now there are a lot of patch-work laws in the US, Driving, Drugs, Agriculture, Insurance, etc. Though almost always, what is legal in one state is legal in all states, you see this with marriage for example, some notable exceptions are guns and drugs.

Now it should be fairly uncontroversial to say that drug laws as they currently exist are ridiculous. Something that is 100% legal in Colorado, is a Felony in Nebraska (hash or concentrates). This won't change for a long time because for most things, they are 100% under the states purview which is why Marijuana is legal in Colorado, but not in many neighboring states.

Gun's however are 100% under Federal Purview as they are explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights. It's an open question just how much states can regulate guns themselves, but one thing that has been consistent is that you can't "Ban" guns on a state level. You can de-facto ban them, like NYC and many other cities and California has done, but it's still a fine line.

Now why does this matter and how does it relate to the bills above and of course, why is it a good thing?

I say if you actually care about reducing gun-violence and are more interested in helping people rather then using "gun control" as a dogwhistle for banning them, the first thing you need is federal standardization of the law. Why? Because currently you can go to a state that has almost zero laws on purchasing guns, buy as many as you want, then head to a city like Chicago, or New York and sell those guns at quite a bit of mark-up with basically zero risk. The record of the sales are federal, if they exist at all, and once you've sold those guns the connection to you specifically is tenuous at best. The only chance the police have is to catch you in the act.

So how would a the above laws help? Well it would be a first step to standardizing gun laws on the federal level. Ideally it will lead to the dissolution of all the state ccw laws, to be replaced with a single federal CCL with specific requirements to qualify for them. Sure this would upset out-of-touch people from here, but the trade-off would be more strict federal requirements on who can actually purchase and sell guns in the US with the eventual goal of stopping straw-purchases completely. If straw-purchases go away, the supply of illegal guns to these communities impacted by violence drops greatly. Violence decreases, and people who want a gun are still able to get one.

Win/Win imo.


I'm stoked about this. I'm a NYS conceal carry permit holder, and go to the gulf coast for spring break. Even though I could probably buy a pistol on a whim in Alabama, i can't carry mine there, dumb as hell. It's a civil right no matter how much it makes libs wet themselves

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

Yeah, this is foolish accelerationism that anticipates gun control to follow, and there's no damned way that happens federally. More people will die waiting for a release valve that'll never be operated.

Or, you know, conceal carry permit holders, who as a group commit astonishingly little crime, will be allowed to carry places and continue to not commit crime. The only victims of this will be Tezzor and the rest of his anti civil rights gaggle.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Shageletic posted:

I think it's awfu, for a variety of reasons, namely that any increase of gun ownership leads to a greater likelihood of violence from those same guns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/), and that I as NYC resident do not want to live in a city that accepts willy nilly the carrying of guns without the regulations and training that I think is necessary, and woefully missing in many localities issuing permits across the US.

I like living in a city that tries to dissuade people from packing handguns as much as possible, and I live in this city because of those and other progressive values, this bill is an affront and an attempt to take away the choice to live in and reside in a polity that reflects my (and most of this city's) values.

Also lol at the federal govt doing ANYTHING regarding guns than encourage their profligaration and greater loosening of regulations, training, and common sense.

Gee a guy with a Joe Biden avatar having a totally retarded opinion about guns? Knock me over with a loving feather!

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

that de facto federal concealed carry law is a stupid idea for reasons already stated, but if i weren't a person who easily gets angry at stupid poo poo, i'd consider taking advantage of it. these jewish cemetery desecrations are getting way out of hand and it'll probably devolve into arsons and attacks

Yeah someone's got to protect the Jews from the anti trump communists

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Matt Zerella posted:

Did you just unironically link to a daily caller article?

Well it was that or the nytimes

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/...v=top-news&_r=0

I just hate the retardedly long urls

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

financially racist posted:

gobbagool is monumentally stupid so you shouldn't even have to ask

I'm sure you find what Juan Thompson did admirable

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

financially racist posted:

so you're just incapable of inferring things through context then? or did you just not read any of the preceeding posts at all

Seems like you're the one having a hard time coming to grips with what's going on here, maybe you're just caremad because that guy stole your idea to go after Jews?

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

financially racist posted:

the conversation in the thread was about bomb threats being called in to jewish centers

sweet christ, i hope you aren't this bad at following a conversation in person

Yeah and you got triggered by the idea that one of your fellow travelers is behind at least one and likely more of the threats. You're a huge baby that should probably, in the immortal words of your abuela, delete your account

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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

I'm pretty deep in this operation having worked both at ITS and later for a company that does some of the outsourced Helpdesk. let me tell you there are no good guys in this story. the main (but never publicly stated) reason for outsourcing it in the first place was that ITS is loving terrible and completely unresponsive to the customers. That IBM and others hosed up the outsource so bad is another issue and cheers to Robert Samson for righting the ship. OFT/ITS have been bad news from the get go for 20 years now, and the big reason why the state of NY spend more on IT services than anyone else. sometime I'll work up an effort post about my time there because it's a long lovely story that ruined my faith in Government.

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