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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I guess that's what I get for daring to hope that NYS government and "good" belong in the same sentence. :smith:

I should clarify though certain parts of nys Govt like DOT are good and efficient but ITS is goddamned awful.

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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

what should upstaters do? wait for GE and Chevy to hire in Schenectady and Tonawanda again? as long as the economic fate of upstate is dictated by the whims of the City, there won't be any big new factory built, or anything that would bring any large number of jobs in. I mean the proof is in the pudding, anywhere I travel in south and west I meet people from upstate.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Matt Zerella posted:

I forgot gobbagool is the dipshit upstate/downstate warrior.

oh yeah and you're queens rage boy who has never been north of Westchester. this isn't that complex. NYS is ruled by NYC.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

get that OUT of my face posted:

immigrants are doing things that native-born americans refuse to do, like move to buffalo en masse

for real though, it does have a large immigrant community there

since you're so willing to parrot this bullshit at the expense of your fellow upstaters, you should be the first to move to wisconsin like your dear leader says

no. I work in NYC when I go to the office once every couple weeks. I live upstate and have a huge new house on a ton of land surrounded by hundreds of acres of nature preserve and forever wild. I'm not the target of Trumps comments. lots of people who once had good jobs in factories might be listening though. his comments were indelicate but not wrong.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Grondoth posted:

Parts of Buffalo are doing okay. All in all, it's doing well! If you were here years ago and someone showed you Canalside, you'd be blown the gently caress away. However, the growth has largely been focused around downtown, and it's obvious. I know that's nothing new to cities, but it's very disheartening to see so much improvement in some places and watch so many others languish.

There's been lots of rumbling but no real movement on getting rid of the dumbest goddamn ideas we ever had here, which was how we laid out roads. We had a first of its kind parkway system and we demolished it way back in the 60's.

look at yesterday's Buffalo news there's a plan afoot to fix he scajaqueda where it goes through Delaware park. not I perfect fix but an improvement.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Matt Zerella posted:

show your work please because if that was the case the MTA would be fully funded and modernized.

why do downstaters keep electing downstaters to the governors office who turnaround and use the MTA as a slush fund? how is that an upstate driven issue? do you understand how Authorities work?

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

CaptainPsyko posted:

Because of the unholy alliance of Long Island, Westchester, and Upstate.

upstate didn't put prince Andrew in office

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/11/cuomo_wins_ny_but_loses_upstate.html

don't pin that guy on us

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

CaptainPsyko posted:

No, Upstate just gave him the legislative conditions necessary to run roughshod over both chambers and consolidate power to his own ends.

He doesn't get to play his dumb triangulation bullshit without upstate and suburban senators pushing out his right flank. They give the maneuvering room he needs to ignore the city without suffering electoral consequences, because the alternative is chucklefucks like "hasn't met a racial slur he didn't love" Paladino.

Why does NYC keep electing governors who screw the city? If NYC decided that they wanted some DSA candidate, not much upstate could do about it

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

CaptainPsyko posted:

NYS Population: 19.7 million

NYC Population: 8.2 million.

51% of 19.7m: 9.85m

Upstate + Suburbs > NYC.

And that's before you get into the relative proportions of voting citizens.

Except upstate voted against Cuomo

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

CaptainPsyko posted:

There's no electoral college in New York. Land doesn't have a vote.

But you can't blame upstate for Cuomo, as I've said multiple times in this very thread. He's your fault.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Upstate goon party at your house! :dance:

I'd love that. I have a 40 gallon barrel of cider I made from ancient trees on my lot, it's probably about 15% abv and tastes like vanilla apple heaven. one of my buddies does pig roasts and my 200 yard range is open for business.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Korthal posted:

Buffalo built a $750m factory for Tesla to produce solar panels. The state owns the factory, but Tesla is only paying $1/year to lease it. It's widely thought that Tesla changed their mind about using the factory, as they haven't let anyone from the public inside of it since last autumn. This factory was supposed to be the crown jewel of Cuomo's START-UP NY project. I'm pretty sure everyone in Western NY has enough apathy to just not care about anything anymore.

yeah that was a huge fleecing. empire zones are same. they paid Windstream millions of dollars to move from Karner rd in colonie to downtown Albany into an empire zone where they no longer had to pay taxes. as it was most of Windstream's revenue in this area came from the State of New York account. there was absolutely nothing to be gained by that except transferring money from NYS to Windstream. no new jobs or anything.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

How are these "jobs" programs and business tax-breaks anything other then corruption?

someone gettin paid

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gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

God help us, this is so dumb. it takes less than 5 minutes to drive or cab from the train station to the capital. the train I take back sometimes from Penn gets in at 440, right in the middle of rush hour, and it's never a problem, ever, not one single time in 22 years of doing this on a weekly basis, getting between there and downtown.

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