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Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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if you have a dual sim phone, can you use wifi calling for one sim over cellular data from the other?

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Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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e: oops, wrong thread

Lysidas fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Sep 29, 2018

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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i might want to get the cheapest slowest anroid phone just to mess with nfc tags, since that seems like it might be the path of least resistance for programing those, any specific positive or negative recommendations for a manufacturer/phone for that?

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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infernal machines posted:

one of the low-end nokias?

thx will check those out

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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just use signal or (if necessary) imessage

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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serious sam 3: bfe was one of the first games i bought on steam, bck when linux games were slim pickins, not sure if i ever beat it

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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no, ham is disgusting and not fit for human comspumtion, the good easter stuff is kielbasa and especially kiszka

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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infernal machines posted:

iirc they tanked the launch and had exclusivity with a carrier no one used, with a mandatory plan that was absolutely terrible for their target market, and they were about a year too late to market

i think i was going to send this to you but i never managed to see whether any of my wife's data is on it or how to wipe it given that the screen is broken

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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infernal machines posted:

will it even finish booting without the backed services?

i have no idea without a working display, the screen broke after my wife dropped the phone from 2-3 feet onto soft well-padded carpet shortly after she got it

i think it did communicate with a computer at some point but the software to manage it may or may not still exist, im tempted to play with this again if i can find it in whatever box its in after we moved a year and a half ago

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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you can install signal on ios like you should already be using to text everyone anyways

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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The_Franz posted:

gamers are manchildren with the memory of a goldfish, so you can kick them as much as you want because they'll forget about it as soon as you announce the sequel to some 30 year old game that they will jizz their pants over and buy no matter what in an effort to be transported back to their childhood
gamers are manchuldren but can be full of an enormous amount of spite and being kicked by preorders having to be refunded can actually be a significant problem

i preordered Phoenix point and canceled that when they said it wouldn't run on my operating system and then was epic store exclusive, then found out after release that the game is kinda crappy anyway so gently caress em it isn't even worth pirating

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

as long as we can all agree that tech companies issuing (well, "issuing") cards and cozying up with financial nonsense is bad and dumb i'm happy.

sure im on board with this, but some convex combination of [apple, goldman sachs] has paid me $309.13 to get me to buy things with that card, so :shrug:

the only thing really unique about it is 3% cash back from apple itself, which has come in handy for my wifes apple watch christmas present, iphone se2 for my mother in law, and sometime this year a new macbook since my wifes 2013 mbp wont get security updates anymore

oh and streaming services on the apple tv, those are 3% cash back too if they go through apple

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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stop

posting

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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weast posted:

i saw someone i know talk about trying to have an iphone for a while and complaining about how they couldn't do "power user" things on their phone like with android and how their friends are surprised about seeing a phone as "more than an entertainment + communication + phone rectangle" but their friends haven't "seen what they've seen". i can't possibly imagine what that is supposed to be does anyone here have any ideas?

a while back i was tempted to try cloning the nfc chip in my univerisity id, and the recommendation i got for hardware was "cheap anroid phone" instead of a dedicated nfc reader/writer, in terms of cost and ease of setup/use

of course that is not something i want my phone to be able to do, i would just be buying a nfc reader/writer that coincidentally happens to be a android telephone

(i was never super motivated to try this anyway, and its even less of a priority now that i have only used my university id once in the last 5 months)

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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Anroid.

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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lol, last year i updated my car radio to one that does carplay and anroid auto, but have only ever used it with carplay, i installed it myself and its been fine for almost a year

was visiting family and was kind of curious what the anroid auto looks like, connected my aunt's phone, anroid auto refused to do anything because the parking brake didnt appear to be on, i didnt think i missed any wires when connecting anything, i guess i would need to ground that wire instead

apparently no way to bypass that either

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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mine did that after i left my phone it in my swimsuit pocket and went for a good swim

the phone was toast (in retrospecxt), but i tried to power it on too early after drying it out in a bag of rice and apparently that also fried part of the sim card, had to go to my carrier shop store to get a new one

so maybe you should not have done that too!!

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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infernal machines posted:

yeah, the state of webmail in those days was loving dire

webmail is and has always been unusable garbage

just use thunderbird ffs

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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i am torn between "lmao anroid" and "lmao google"

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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this is a fantastic article

quote:

For long-term Google users, the new Google Pay is yet another annoying transition they'll have to explain to friends and family. This is an occurrence that's getting more frequent and more annoying in recent years, thanks to similar Google shutdowns of Google Play Music, Cloud Print, Inbox, Works with Nest, the ongoing Hangouts situation, and many others. That's to say nothing of the crazy history of this payment service, which used to be Google Wallet, then Android Pay, then Google Pay, and now it's a totally different Google Pay. [...]

The worst part of it all is that, like the move from Google Music to YouTube Music, there is no reward at the end of this transition. Google is blowing stuff up and making users switch apps and set things up again only because of internal politics and infrastructure concerns. There aren't any great new features to sell people on—it's just Google's constantly shifting priorities reaching into your life to remind you, "This is what being a Google user is like now. You'd better keep up!" It gets exhausting.

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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mediaphage posted:

no. or you never did but i haven’t had to sign up for a new one in years. in the beginning you could even pick your number by submitting repeated digits.

you definitely need an actual phone number now to sign up for google voice, i just did it, after seeing someone dealing with their number being fraudulently ported from their sim, and realizing that i should have a backup phone number with which to talk to my carrier, set up before actually needing it, because the situation i would try to fix (give me my number back) would also preclude me from signing up for google voice at that time

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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sb hermit posted:

Why the gently caress does the messages app ask me to rate and recommend THE MESSAGES APP on the gddm app store?

It's a MESSAGES APP. Shouldn't it already be on most people's phones? Or a samsung reskinned version?

Does anyone with an iphone get notified by iMessages to rate and recommend iMessages?

lmfao

anroid.

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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link or quote pls, im not going into whatever other subforum that might be in

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22538240/google-chat-allo-hangouts-talk-messaging-mess-timeline posted:

Here’s a breakdown of Google’s major messaging offerings over the years, with currently active services in bold:

quote:

Google Docs chat
:raise:

anyway, bypassing carriers entirely was the greatest triumph of imessage (and whatsapp apparently), but lol at google trying to do that and have carriers sell anroid phones with such an app/service preloaded, even if manufacturers dont just drop that app from their anroid image

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
with ios widgets you can now have up to 26 clocks visible on one page of the home screen, truly the superior experience

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
maybe more on bigger phones, but i could fit 26 on the 12 mini

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
apparently it is a relatively common occurrence for anroid manufacturers to issue os/security updates and screw up the certification process, causing phones to lose the ability to do contactless payment because of the os thinking its rooted

(apologies for reddit)
https://www.reddit.com/r/googlepay/comments/sun25v/phone_updated_to_feb_security_patch_yesterday_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/googlepay/comments/s8jtla/all_of_a_sudden_google_pay_contactless_payment/
https://www.reddit.com/r/googlepay/comments/siewao/gpay_stopped_workingcant_set_up_contactless_or/

lol at undermining confidence that you can reliably use your phone to pay, i have actually stopped carrying a wallet or any payment cards unless i am going to the one store i know doesnt take apple pay, lmao at the idea of this randomly not working at any time

not to mention the repeated posts like "all of the cards i add keep being deleted every morning and i have to re-add my card every morning before i leave to use public transit" like https://www.reddit.com/r/googlepay/comments/sj4cfm/cards_removed_daily/

lmao anroid

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

That would get people electrocuted here or get you sued when someone tripped over it, or just straight up get vandalized or stolen.

a house close to me has an electric car charging spot in one of the parking spaces adjacent to their house, with a clearly marked sign on the street marking it as such

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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google is apparently rebranding the google pay/gpay/google wallet? thing again

https://9to5google.com/2022/04/11/new-google-pay-wallet-icon/ posted:

The “new” Google Pay was announced in November 2020 with two key tentpoles. Both have failed by all accounts, and the company said at the start of this year that Pay is next going to become a “comprehensive digital wallet.” That change has yet to materialize, but a new “Wallet” icon seen by 9to5Google could be the start of Google Pay’s future.

...

Google now wants Pay to “become the connective tissue for the entire consumer finance industry,” including crypto partners. The “comprehensive digital wallet” would make Google’s app a home for “digital tickets, airline passes and vaccine passports.”

This new icon could very easily replace the existing one for the Google Pay brand. That being said, speculating on the “how” is not actually that straightforward given how convoluted Google’s current payments implementation has become.

there is a level beyond corporate adhd, and google has achieved it

(i really did not know there was a "google wallet" which was just for p2p payments apparently?)

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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:psyduck:

so which app is the one that lets you use your phone for nfc payment and store boarding passes and vaccine records and stuff? is that "wallet" already in the us?

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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FlapYoJacks posted:

If Apple implemented RCS it would be the exact standard. The problem with RCS right now is the standard is complete and utter garbage and even Google uses their own modified standard that they refuse to give to anyone else without all your messages being routes through Googles servers, which Apple really does not want to do.

was about to post something like this, rcs is a loving joke and google's extensions to the standard (to make it actually useful) coincidentally route all messages through google's systems, readable by google to mine for advertising data, apple has a moral imperative not to interoperate with that, let alone the business justification

Sagebrush posted:

like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because verizon artificially degraded the quality for anyone not on their network. and you asked "wtf" and they were like "get your friend to get on verizon, then. not our problem." that is a blatant abuse of power.

poor analogy

like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because the common protocol was poo poo, and apple built a better version of this protocol/communication method, and then t-mobile and verizon and google whined that apple wasnt giving away what they built

apple does give away a significant amount of technical standards/specs, both hardware and software, the lightning cable protocol became usb-c, afaik the homekit protocol became the matter standard, most companies give zero, and imessage being only usable on apple devices makes imessage spam virtually nonexistent in my experience, which would almost definitely not be the case if anyone could anonymously install imessage on anroid

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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Sagebrush posted:

everyone should use whatsapp, and whatsapp should be run by a kind socialist government. like give it to iceland or something.

funding will come from the united nations in the same way every country is required to contribute to peacekeeping etc.

s/whatsapp/signal/ but otherwise 👍

whatsapp will always suffer from the indelible taint of facebook/meta

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
setting multiple timers is also how they upsell you into getting an apple watch

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:

it's not even consistent between goddamn versions. you used to (on android 12 I think) be able to access the wallet app via the lock screen by (long?) pressing the power button, but that's been removed in 13 and the default is to have unlock, swipe down, select wallet or set the wallet and NFC payments to be running constantly what the gently caress

you can change the stupid "Google assistant" icon on lock to open the wallet from lock but that's not obvious

lol. lmao.

i seriously did not know how stupid that process is on (only recent?) android, vs. ios "press a button twice and authenticate by either looking at the phone or keeping your fingerprint on the same button"

though of course i usually double-press the side button on my watch and hold it to the reader, except for the one store which has finicky nfc readers that require holding the card/device exactly still for 3-4 seconds and its more awkward to do that with my watch vs. phone

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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apple maps is great because of sharing my real-time ETA and position along a particular route, without having to enable saving my full location history, which is required for the equivalent functionality in google maps

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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i am not inclined to check post history to know if this is was a joke or sarcastic, and im not up on whatever comedic culture sa-mart might have, but i lol'd at the replies

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

I have a Nord N10 I would be willing to let go cheap. Locked to Tmobile, but if you need it unlocked I probably do that at some point before sending it out.

Voltage posted:

"Yeah i'm looking for an unlocked iphone because my old crappy android phone went haywire"

"I have just the thing, an old off brand carrier locked android phone!"

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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i can hold my (i)phone( 12 mini) up to the deadbolts on my front or back doors to unlock them, which works via nfc, and works even if the house has no power or wifi, meaning its actually dependable instead of needing to grab keys when leaving to walk the dog in case internet or power happens to go out

that nfc functionality apparently requires hardware that wasnt in older iphones than the xr and xs, which were announced in fall 2018, and is also used for the apple carkeys and hotel keys

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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Sagebrush posted:

alternately the first-world iphone snobs could get on the same page as the rest of the planet and just use whatsapp, the people's messaging system.

you should not, under any circumstances, suggest using a facebook product

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

fffuuuuck google forever for trying to puppeteer the corpse of rcs into being a thing

well i guess this was the next best option after they embarrassed themselves publicly whining to apple to port imessage to andoird

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Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
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it is very appropriate, in the andoird thread, to state that smart home stuff is generally crap because everything wants you to make an account and use their app to collect your data, for a device which uses communication to a cloud service to control a device on your same local network

meanwhile over in apple home, devices work locally first and foremost, with only a few bad manufacturers having their devices complain or stop working if their internet connection is cut off, meaning that (as i have done) you can block communication with the internet for almost everything, cutting off any way for the manufacturer to talk to its device and get any data about usage patterns or your setup/location/etc.

the matter standard has all of those benefits of apple home but also allowing control through other ecosystems: can add a matter smart plug to apple home, google home, alexa, sarnsung smartthings, etc., but thats still relatively new, the spec is missing a bunch of devices that people have/want, and even the 1.2 revision of the spec hasnt been implemented in a lot of software like apple home yet

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