Office Surprise Store posted:

do you think the kind of people who rally against movements like the lgbt or blm care

that's the point of leadership in a movement, so you can declare your refined goals and can't get muddled in people who are sincere in pulling down your movement, and people who are trying to latch on for their personal poo poo

Office Surprise Store posted:

it's an example and you're being really weirdly hostile

i'm not sure what's difficult to understand about "people can be shown things like this, and a good leadership lets you discredit this to prevent it from taking hold" but you seem kind of intent on just wanting to be passive/aggressive about it

i don't know if you're trying to GOTCHA me about racism or what. it's genuinely confusing.

FuzzySkinner posted:

He was.

But it's bizarre to see people suddenly go "HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE HIM FOR HANGING OUT WITH RICH PEOPLE AND TAKING 400K FROM WALL STREET". Like those are two things that are pretty lovely. (in addition to continuing war criminal policies, etc).

I mean if someone is gonna call him a "SECRET KENYAN MUSLIM COMMUNIST"? By all means tackle on them and pile on them for idiotic xenophobia. But it's weird to see people get pissed at those to the left of them with valid criticisms.

Call Me Charlie posted:

here's the true good fight (plus your entire post history in here lol)

comedyblissoption posted:

if you don't like watching a jimmy dore video, here's the medium article some person wrote about how ridiculous these journalists are:
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/establishment-loyalists-spent-yesterday-circulating-blatant-lies-about-glenn-greenwald-64a16a0ef6ed

quote:

What made this more than just your garden-variety smear campaign, however, was that Greenwald fought back. Hard. Not just with his usual approach of dropping a truth bomb or two and getting back to work; he kept pushing this thing into the light, over and over and over.

(....3 greenwald tweets follow)

steinrokkan posted:

I like that there is apparently a non-zero number of people who care about what icon somebody has next to their name on twitter

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

therefore all political interpretations of all media are valid and required to engage in?

SickZip posted:

The Handmaidens Tale suggests in total sincerity that upon societies collapse Christians will establish death camps, create a caste of women designated to be raped, and have people executed by having frenzied mobs tear them into pieces.

its super loving dumb

SickZip posted:

If terminator 2 was a political screed that was taught in schools and I was supposed to take it Seriously as a Cautionary Tale For Our Time then yes it would be hella dumb

the trump tutelage posted:

if you don't understand the hilarious tone-deafness of people who sound like grad school burnouts while complaining about privilege, while advancing a radical left platform under the banner of racial justice, and who let themselves get schooled by Clinton while clowning on Bernie, then perhaps it is you who are the someone that should be mocked in this thread

HIJK posted:

Well just on the face of it it's a communication/PR issue.

If you want your social movement to gain mainstream acceptance then you have to communicate in a way that the average person can understand. Not to put too fine a point on it but the average person is not terribly smart (though this doesn't make them stupid either) and they have been conditioned by various media to recognize and reject academic language when they see it. So when you use this high falutin' ivory tower newspeak stuff, the average yokel who has been forced to raise a family of five on $28,000 per year doesn't give a flying gently caress. He doesn't care about "rejecting the nuclear family as a way to disrupt white privilege and further intersectional transgenderqueer feminist communism." He's not going to care, HE'S NOT GOING TO CARE AND NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE IN HIS COMMUNITY. And when that happens then you can be assured that public opinion will continue to ignore your social movement because public opinion is built on the backs of people like that guy.

Social movements are about communicating with people. This is why Bernie did in fact dominate so much of the Dem primary. He communicated easily and effectively, he didn't get bogged down with policy details. Trump also did this. "Who's going to build the wall? MEXICO."

So if you're going to try to push something mainstream and get lots of acceptance quick, you had better know how to communicate simply, fast, and effectively. Not this #woke academic bullshit. The reason academics are largely rejected from the majority of American society is precisely because they communicate in such a needlessly obscure way.

HIJK posted:

The Electoral College explicitly exists to keep a handful of cities from deciding the fate of an entire nation which is why oligarchs get so lovely and whiny about it. the Electoral College protects us from the whims of stupid cities. It is essential for that reason. I cannot loving believe this has to be emphasized in loving 2017.

Byolante posted:

https://www.nohatespeechmovement.org/hate-speech-watch/report/submit

The EU is funding a youth led mob justice campaign against whatever you want to denounce right now

Byolante posted:

Byolante posted:

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/pepe-the-frog

quote:

However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.

HIJK posted:

[insert deflecting post here]

Non Serviam posted:

The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech.

To attack people whose ideas you find disgusting is not OK, and the climate of thinking that vigilantism is the way to go will not help either. Antifas don't only attack "as a response" to violence, they attack as a reponse to an ideology.

Hell, antifas are now even attacking the Aclu because they represented the Nazis right to march.

Non Serviam posted:

You should read about the idiotic court decision where that famous line comes from.

Clawtopsy posted:

imo there should be a new thread entitled 'some people think you shouldnt punch nazis' and this thread should go back to mocking dumb hot takes on both sides!!

passionate dongs posted:

please stop posting off topic. this thread is for lamenting random tweets as the future of the democratic party, what samantha bee did, jimmy dore, and talking about how christina hoff summers is a real feminist.

any other posts will be reported to the mods.

Byolante posted:

Abusing people won't encourage them to change their ways, it will just teach them to hate yours.