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W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

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I've played a good ways into Birthright, but never got around to finishing it. Haven't touched Conquest or Revelations. Looking forward to seeing this, might actually pick this back up again and eventually finish it.

Tae posted:

Fates NOT about fighting!

Third line for this one has the wrong portrait; it should be Rinkah speaking for the "Ewgh. What's that awful stink?" line, not Orochi.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:



Hand Axes are so crippling that Oboro is doubling someone!

I think you meant Orochi here. But yeah, drat, I'd forgotten how bad that speed penalty on those things could be.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Welp, :rip: Zola. Shame you had to be Obviously Evil, you might have made for an interesting addition to the crew. Then again, given how the game's been written thus far, perhaps it's for the best you left the stage early.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

Rat Spirit-B rank, 11 mt, 75 hit, +1 RES, self-debuff MAG/SKILL -2

I think this is supposed to be Rabbit Spirit; Rat Spirit was the Bronze variant.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Obligatum VII posted:

Azama is fantastic. Though it's amazing he managed to avoid being murdered for as long as he has.

I blame his Personal Skill. Turns out that it's kind of hard to kill an rear end in a top hat when Heaven itself rebukes you for trying.

Also, it's one of the reasons his support with Hayato made me like that kid more; it was nice to see Azama getting dunked on for a change.

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Apr 21, 2010

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CptWedgie posted:

...Where the hell did Sakura even get that idea? I mean, she's got great stats in-game, and in-story she's one of the primary healers.

She's a shy, demure feudal Japanese lady archetype character. So she feels like she's being a burden on all the people who do the fighting because she's not actively fighting herself. It just straight up doesn't occur to her that her saving people's lives is going to have a longer lasting impact on the outcome of the war than if she were out there stabbing people to death with a spear like her sister. So since she's convinced that she can't fight, she tries to find other ways to help "ease the burden" that she thinks she's creating.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

No one's answering why iago has bowbreaker

Because he's a Sorcerer; Sorcerers get Bowbreaker in Fates because all the -breaker skills are on classes that are already strong against that weapon type in the weapon triangle.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Let's go with plan Dark Flier Hayato.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

Heh. Well, maybe I'm trying to turn over a new leaf. Sometimes I feel like I might get on other people's nerves.
I can't imagine why...

I imagine Setsuna's probably the only person in the game who could make that response with 100% sincerity and no trace of sarcasm.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

I rolled for the last time, which was a 3. Takumi is married to Hana, which is probably the most appropriate hair-wise.

Congrats on Oboro, Mozu, etc on avoiding the Deep realm shithole.

So no kids from the permabenched units until the Revelations run?

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Apr 21, 2010

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EponymousMrYar posted:

It's not like Nohr even has Daylight Savings time!

Nohr's daylight situation is so bad they envy this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5q77MQzU2Q

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Apr 21, 2010

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Glazius posted:

Well, somebody had to actually fight for Nohr here. Camilla was just her brother complex, Garon's probably just going to be all ARGH BLARGH DARKNESS WARGH. Actually representing the nation of Nohr (and the crazy idea that maybe countries shouldn't launch commando raids to kill each other's kings) fell to Big Brother here.

Given that Nohr killed Hoshido's king by offering to sit down for peace talks then going "PSYCHE!" I don't think they're in a position to be casting aspersions on their enemies' regicide tactics. :v:

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Apr 21, 2010

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Endorph posted:

i like how hinoka hasn't had a single line this entire finale

Hinoka suffers from not being interesting enough to be relevant in cutscenes. Ryoma is the oldest male, ergo he's next in line for the throne and has the responsibility of leading Hoshido's army. Takumi is the youngest male, so he gets to be angsty about his inferiority complex and be important to the plot; also, he has a super cool magic weapon that is relevant to the plot. Azura has Bullshit Magic Cutscene Powers that are relevant to the game's plot. Sakura is your real* little sister and is there to meet the moe fanservice quota and also emote being upset when Corrin gets hurt.

Hinoka's defining character trait is... she was really, really desperate to get Corrin back from Nohr. Which happened right at the start of the game, so her character arc is effectively over without you needing to do anything beyond pick "Side with Hoshido". Oh, and her supports also revealed that she's mellowed out a lot from how she was in her youth, when she was much more frantic and passionate about it, so it was actually effectively over before you even started the game. :effort:

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Apr 21, 2010

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Kamui. We had a vaguely Western name while fighting alongside fantasy Japan, it's only fitting we have a Japanese name while fighting alongside fantasy Europe.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Aesclepia posted:

You don't just get to say THIS IS SAD BE SAD and have it happen.

It's basically this moment from "Let's destroy the Shagohod"



except played painfully straight and without any hint of irony.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Oh wow, they didn't waste any time gluing the idiot ball to Corrine's hands in this one.

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CptWedgie posted:

You mean it isn't permanently fused to the Avatar's hands regardless? I mean, you saw how things went in the Hoshido route, right?

Counterpoint: the Avatar in the Hoshido route immediately realized, "Hrm, Garon gave me a sword that almost killed me twice, killed my mother and left the nation of my birth vulnerable to attack from his forces that were apparently waiting right on the border for this to happen. Clearly he intends to conquer Hoshido, even if it meant killing me to get things started. I probably shouldn't willingly return there and act like there's nothing wrong with that so I can find out 'why' he did this."

The Avatar held the idiot ball in Birthright, too, but was capable of dropping it at least once or twice.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Space Bat posted:

I'll be honest, in my run of Conquest I defeated Ryouma because I figured I'd need to and I didn't know who glasses man was. I'm still not entirely sure, is he like the good version of Iago?

He's one of the late queen's advisors, so yeah, basically he's Hoshido's Iago. Except instead of being :moreevil: incarnate, he's just kinda :geno: .

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Apr 21, 2010

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AradoBalanga posted:

Yukimura is the one responsible for Azura's kidnapping by hiring Shura to do it. Because the best way to prove you are better than the super evil kingdom is to do the exact same thing the evil kingdom did, naturally.

Never meant to imply that he hasn't been responsible for shady poo poo; merely that he's not a cartoon supervillain like his Nohrian counterpart.

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Apr 21, 2010

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chiasaur11 posted:

Because the game already has mechanics for Effie getting troubadour because Elise with A+ supports. When there's an explicit mechanic for a character picking up the same class as a friend, giving them mechanically lovely options by default feels much worse. I mean, Awakening had a few points of precedent like Cherche, but for the most part people got classes that were both relevant to them and useful.

I forget which of her supports it's mentioned in, but Cherche had Cleric and Troubadour as her reclass options in Awakening because she was in training to be a cleric before she encounter Minerva and realized her destiny of flying around and murdering people with an axe. So there is an actual backstory justification for her having those class options despite being mechanically ill-suited to them.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Someone's going to have to explain to me how this makes Ryoma worse than the Nohr siblings, because I'm not seeing it.

Yeah, he's willing to let Elise die if Corrin(e) doesn't return to Hoshido. That's kinda hosed up. But he's also willing to peacefully withdraw his troops and allow Elise to receive the medical aid she needs if Corrin(e) willingly returns, and because of what we saw of him on the Birthright path, we know he's honorable enough that he would stick to his word on that.

Meanwhile, Xander, Camilla and Leo have all been demonstrated to be completely fine with murdering the poo poo out of absolutely anyone who gets in the way of them having their precious Corrin(e) all to themselves and will absolutely not compromise on that ever until after you beat the fight out of them, twice in Camilla's case and lethally in Xander's. Also, Leo was straight up perfectly willing to murder Corrin(e) himself before we knocked some friendship into him and he gave us that free mass teleport book.

But, no, clearly Ryoma is the rear end in a top hat here because...? :confused:

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Apr 21, 2010

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Ninja Laslow
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Great Lord Azura

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Apr 21, 2010

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Oh hey, good thing we conveniently have someone :moreevil: around to slaughter innocent civilians and helpless prisoners of war so that our protagonist never has to commit any morally questionable acts! :geno:

The fact that this still comes as a shock to her after all she's seen since we've started playing is the most frustrating part of it. Conquest Corrine's not sheltered, she's completely disconnected from reality.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Never got aroud to playing Conquest, so all I can say is... :cripes:

And I'm certain that we still haven't hit peak stupid yet.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

The top area is mostly cleared except for the boss island, as the southern forces start to converge back with the main army.

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Looks like part of the update got cut off at the end here.

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Apr 21, 2010

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And now having had this discussion with Leo about pretending to be an obedient little soldier while defying Garon in secret, I fully expect Corrine to forget about it the next time Garon orders her to do something evil.

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Apr 21, 2010

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BlazeEmblem posted:

The best part of his appearance here is that his stats make no sense from his growth rates. In 7 levels (he was level 3 at the start of the game) he gained:
10 HP
7 strength
9 skill
2 speed
4 luck
10 defense
2 resistance

If we assume he found stat boosting items to make up for the difference in levels (and the fact that his Resistance growth is 0), that means at the bare minimum he's come across a Seraph Robe, a Secret Book, two Dracoshields, and a Talisman since we were separated from him.

... Yo, what the hell man?! You couldn't save those for a party member who could actually use them? :argh:

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Apr 21, 2010

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... This is going to somehow get even stupider before it's over, isn't it.

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Apr 21, 2010

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So a choice between a pre-promote that we'll probably never use, or a stat booster that will inevitably end up on a unit that we'll end up perma-benching.

Tough call. :v:

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Apr 21, 2010

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LEGO Genetics posted:

Nah we slaughtered Scarlet offscreen

Also Orochi and Reina. And all those weird ghost things when we chased Azura into that plot hole and found Gunter.

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Apr 21, 2010

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No opinion on the DLC classes.

As for the stat boosters, shore up weaknesses. The difficulty here doesn't seem like it's forgiving enough to just dump everything on one unit and hope for the best.

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Apr 21, 2010

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I dunno, I don't really feel like Kaden's being a dick for trying to protect his home from intruders. It's a group of armed strangers, one of whom just referred to him as "it," like he's some kind of unintelligent monster and not a person. Even if he escorts them back out the way the came, or helps them make it through to Hoshido, he has no guarantee that they're not just going to come back with a larger group of soldiers later on and slaughter everyone when they're not outnumbered. Better safe than sorry.

That said, given what people have said about this map's mechanics, it sounds like the combat scenario designer was more than enough of a dick to make up for it.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

Finally. Time to move on to Keaton.



I think you mean Kaden here.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

azuraworried: Though inherently peaceful, they were serious about killing us. We would have all died if we had held back.

Broken image.

Semi-surprised they actually murdered all the foxes instead of just knocking them out like they have all the other people they didn't want to kill so far.

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Apr 21, 2010

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: Foolish knave! Vainly, you have sought to thwart the dark destiny of the scion of Odin Dark, but FATE WILL NOT BE DENIED! The cursed blood that burns within me shall soon rise within my progeny, and all who oppose us will know only dread and terror!

: Yeah!

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

This would be slightly more threatening if you didn't literally end the game as level 1 in Birthright.

Yeah, but that's because your voters have an irrational hatred of the "callow youth wants to be viewed as a grown up because being treated like a kid sucks" trope. :v:

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Apr 21, 2010

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Tae posted:

Bench 3, last call for Beruka: http://www.strawpoll.me/13021996

Poll's currently only letting me pick one.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Okay, that makes sense. I wasn't sure if it was an intentional "pick one, lowest three are out" or it was meant to be "pick three" and accidentally got setup as "pick one" instead.

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Apr 21, 2010

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Ophelia as a Witch.

Soleil as a Dread Fighter.

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Heart Seal Charlotte to Stra- :commissar:

Heart Seal to Tae's choice.

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