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Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Cheekio posted:

The odds of Pence starting an unnecessary war costing the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions is approximately zero, so that's one point for Pence.
The odds of Pence getting in a pissing contest with a nuclear power and starting a proper world war 3 is also approximately zero, so that's two for Pence.

They'll both make enough inroads in Congress to ruin the Supreme Court for decades and pass insane quantities of backwards moving legisltation, so I guess they're tied on that point.

In all, I'd say Pence would be better than Trump.

This.

I mean, an empty suit Republican would never start a forever war in the Middle East due to wars of choice. Nor would he seriously discuss using theater nuclear weapons as bunker busters to get at the Cobra Commander base deep in a high tech cave.

Pence is a known and the known parts of Pence are bad all the way down. Trump is an unknown. He's a total disaster but given the choice between "known, completely irredeemably awful" and "unknown trending towards completely irredeemably awful" I'll take the latter over the former.

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Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Cat Mattress posted:

Where were you in 2001-2008?

:thejoke:

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Blind Pineapple posted:

Another big plus for Pence/Ryan is that they would likely kick Bannon and friends out of the WH. This could have the hilarious side effect of Bannon turning the Breitbart machine on the successor and weakening the party.

I also think that if Trump is impeached/removed, Pence (and especially Ryan if Pence goes down as well) would be forced to govern closer to the center. The stink of Trump won't be washed away and people are watching closely, never mind the levels of republican in-fighting in congress. They won't have as easy a time slamming through republican dream bills as they would just having been elected outright.

Like how W governed from the center after he stole his first election using the Supreme Court and stole his second one using Diebold?

No, "I have political capital and I am going to spend it!" was his position.

LOL. Republicans, let alone an ideologue like Ryan, "governing more towards the center".

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
After the unmitigated failure of W, the Tea Party provided a breath of fresh air by trying to govern from the center.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
That quote is a good reminder for people. Trump isn't that far off from a bog standard Republican. And he's got big boots to fill when it comes to being the worst president in recent memory, much less ever.

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Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Did we ever determine which branch of government the VP belongs to under Cheney?

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