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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Thanks to recent massive scandals involving Russia, Trump has just stumbled into perhaps a bigger political scandal than Watergate. Two of his cabinet members have already stepped down, and it hasn't even been a month into Trump's presidency. And he continues to alienate himself from not only Democrats but Republicans and Independents as well. So I have a question to make:

If Trump were to be impeached within a year or two, would Mike Pence make a better or worse president than Trump? In what ways, in your opinion, would he be better? In what ways would he be worse? What would his domestic and foreign policies look like?

In addition, would Democrats fare better in 2018 against Trump or against Pence? In 2020?

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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

That being said what are the chances currently that Trump will get impeached this year?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

OneEightHundred posted:

The only thing that will get Trump impeached is if he's personally implicated in something that's blatantly illegal and a serious crime like direct evidence that he was somehow involved in the DNC hacks. He will never get impeached for self-enrichment, and it doesn't matter if his entire cabinet is embroiled in scandal if there isn't something that can be directly pinned on Trump.

The catch is that there's still a very good possibility that he'll do something like that.
So impeachment, whilst very unlikely right now, is still much more likely than nuclear war?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

twoday posted:

If Pence is also caught up in scandal and forced to resign, who will be president?
If Pence is president, it would go to whomever he picked as vp.
If Pence is VP, Trump will find a different one.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

sean10mm posted:

It's basically choosing between an unpleasant ordinary disease that has a high survival rate (Pence), and some exotic strain of cancer that has a low survival rate (Trump). Like, Pence is Real Bad, but it's a form of real bad that America has survived basically since its inception. Trump really is sui generis in modern American political history.

I don't see the hypothetical ousting of Trump as a big win for Republicans though. Pence is "clean" and "normal" only in contrast with Trump, while also having the charisma of a wheel of cheese gone slightly green. And of course all the alt-right vermin will be apoplectic about the GOP stabbing them in the back. It's not like Gerald Ford being an affable generic Republican saved the GOP from the fallout of Watergate or something. Jimmy Carter had the political acumen of kelp and beat him.
Remind me to look into why Jimmy had the political acumen of kelp, and how he hosed up so much.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Doesn't Pence want to put the LGBT community in internment camps and shock-therapy the gay out of them?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Suddenly this thread became extremelly relevant again.

Also, what would a Paul Ryan Presidency look like, assuming Pence also falls?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

How could Snap elections be hypothetically called? Who could do it? Would the lack of precedent smother such an idea from taking hold into action?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Lightning Lord posted:

Pence is a dolt who governed Indiana like a clown, nobody but the churchiest actually likes him.
How the hell did he become Governor in the first place?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Your criticisms seem to be on point, but! It appears to me that this fight for correction has driven you a little insane, down a slippery slope that I would have crossed if I had still chosen to rant daily against the election of Trump. You can be as cynical as you want but I know for a fact that there is a point where someone's line is crossed, and for many Americans the events of this administration have made them cross that line. Somethin's gotta give, Somethin's gotta give. We wouldn't be human otherwise.

That's my take I suppose.

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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Can we also talk about how these proceedings may play out? Or the chances of Pence's involvement in the scandals and how it might/might not result in him stepping down? And how the hell can a GOP led house be convinced to impeach Trump?

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