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Grouchio posted:Can we also talk about how these proceedings may play out? Or the chances of Pence's involvement in the scandals and how it might/might not result in him stepping down? And how the hell can a GOP led house be convinced to impeach Trump? Republicans will vote to impeach when Trump has become so toxic that his own base is turning on him. Nixon's approval had fallen into the mid-20s by the time he resigned, so I'm willing to bet that Trump's numbers are going to have to be somewhere south of there for Republicans to really see the writing on the wall and decide that cutting Trump loose will do less damage than staying tethered to him. I'm still kind of skeptical about how much the current investigation and non-stop parade of bombshells will really matter, though. Not because this stuff isn't important, but because I don't think there's much hope of silly things like facts or evidence leading to impeachment. Republicans will use those things as cover once they've already made up their minds, but they won't actually act unless the numbers are going their way. Coincidentally, this is also why I think it's kind of ridiculous to believe that Pence will go down too. Republicans aren't going to purge their own party; the best we can probably hope for is that they very reluctantly remove Trump and immediately circle the wagons around Pence.
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RasperFat posted:This is all crazy speculation at this point too. Who knows what the investigations will bring out it seems more than likely Pence would have to resign if he wasn't fingered as well. The issue I have with this is that we aren't talking about a normal trial. There can be clear evidence of a crime and Republicans can still choose not to impeach. Depending on how much of that evidence actually gets through to their base that might turn out to be electoral suicide and might just lead to Democrats impeaching after 2018, but there's no point where Republicans will be absolutely compelled to do anything that they don't want to do. The threat of impeachment got Nixon to resign, but impeachment has only ever been used against a sitting president twice in American history and in both cases the motives were purely political, so just the concept of impeaching for actual wrongdoing is uncharted territory. Edit- Hell, Republicans might decide that losing the Senate in 2018 is unlikely and bet on Democrats being unwilling to impeach if they don't have the votes to convict. That's not a bad bet since they'd need quite a few Republican defectors even if they somehow do get majority. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 04:46 on May 24, 2017 |
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