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TheSpamalope posted:My brother says that they use their transporter to magic it back into replicator sauce but who are the garbagemen then? O'Brien is the garbage man.
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i want 7 of 9 to make fun of my soft sci fi
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Feb 20, 2017 17:54
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gary oldmans diary posted:whether or not every transporter incident technically kills you doesnt really matter if you dont believe in a soul or afterlife if that's true then explain Riker's duplication
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Feb 20, 2017 18:37
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gary oldmans diary posted:1 riker + 1 riker = 2 rikers. its not existentialisms fault that society doesnt have a means to account for a circumstance of 2 people having the same past. big deal which one is the "real" one?
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Feb 20, 2017 18:46
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I think your argument of "the only reason you can believe in a consciousness that doesn't transfer is because you believe in the soul" is spurious. I posit that we simply don't know enough about how that all works to definitely state "it's fine don't worry about it, it's actually you coming out the other end." I don't need to believe in the existence of a soul to question how consciousness is transferred as well. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 18:50
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gary oldmans diary posted:consciousness in a given instant is defined physically as a biochemical pattern. Please provide proof for your assertion.
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Feb 20, 2017 18:55
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gary oldmans diary posted:if you want me to prove consciousness isnt really your ghost floating around in the ether just above your head then thats really your problem to deal with No I want you to show me the biochemical basis for "consciousness" instead of acting like a smuggo about it. If your entire argument is "as long as this biochemical process is transferred, then it is actually 'you'" then you must be able to show me evidence that a simple biochemical process is all there is to a consciousness and additionally that transferring it will retain that exact same consciousness. Since the answers to that are currently beyond human scientific knowledge (afaik) I assume you either know something I don't or are just huffing your own metaphysics ideology.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:01
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Yeah that's a pretty drat false equivalency.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:08
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Yeah again you're just ignoring the bit about "prove that's how consciousness works." I also think you're assuming a lot about the functioning of this hypothetical transporter. quote:the precise definition of what your consciousness is was in one location and the next instant it is in another. I'll say that if in the future we figure out how to precisely define it then sure I guess.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:13
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gary oldmans diary posted:if you arent sure that consciousness is not a function of the physical brain then youre not willing to rule out metaphysical nonsense. enjoy your healing crystals You're kind of starting to be irritating with insisting that you are the true arbiter of scientific knowledge and we're all dumb for not realizing self evident truths when all I am asking is a question that has baffled actual real scientists for years. Osric posted:Particularly as your fatuous description of the phenomenon of consciousness as "a electrical and chemical pattern" suggests that you are no expert on neurobiology.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:22
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gary oldmans diary posted:do me a favor and outright suggest that maybe there is something beyond the physical that makes up our consciousness. simply insinuating it in the "just asking questions" way is so disappointing Why do you think that just because I'm asking you how the biochemical process of consciousness works in terms of what happens when it is just transferred as you suggest that I'm saying "there must be a soul or something outside the physical?" It's getting to the point that I think you're just trolling because you're not even attempting to understand the arguments made against you in favor of just repeating the same thing over and over again. quote:it is a simple thing to answer. do you really think consciousness is metaphysical? yes or no (circle one) Of course it isn't. That doesn't mean there aren't still issues with transportation as presented by Star Trek.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:28
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gary oldmans diary posted:yeah it must be me trolling. you are pretending this is a conversation while you press it only in one direction and outright refuse to offer up anything from your side. all i want is a simple "i believe consciousness is beyond|within the realm of the physical" from you and you refuse and just keep posting the same thing as you say i am doing. the conversation cannot continue on one end while you hold your end on a standstill I literally just answered that question. gary oldmans diary posted:and if you are intent on viewing this through the specifics of canon star trek transporter specifications, i recommend you play video games instead Given that the name of the thread has 'Star Trek' in it yeah. I'm open to other specifics though. Stop being such a douche lol. Define your terms if you want to talk about something else I can't read your mind. Also answer the poster who actually seems to know what they are talking about wrt neurobiology. I notice you just ignored that completely. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 19:50
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gary oldmans diary posted:yeah... after the hour and half of dodging it and blaming me for covering the same ground over and over. You realize you're not actually saying anything here right? I answered your question once you presented it as a straight question and now you've switched from whining about how I'm not answering you to whining about how I didn't do it soon enough and using that as a way to once again side step actually answering any criticism. Like the neurobiology dude straight told you that you're getting a lot of concepts wrong and you're just acting like what was said totally supports your argument instead of addressing the points made. That's why I'm saying you're trolling. I called you a douche because you insist I'm stupid for asking you a basic question that has been a mystery in the field for a long time which you seem to have answered and saying I should go back to video games because I'm assuming that we're talking about Star Trek style rules in a thread about... Star Trek. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 20:13
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Can't you just admit that based on our current understand of how poo poo works we can't definitely state how transporter tech would work from the perspective of the person being transported? Is that really so goddamn hard? It's not anything to do with metaphysics. You can't sit there and tell me you somehow have figured out a problem that has been baffling scientists for years. quote:oh boy after i asked something a half dozen times all the while you complaining about the conversation not moving you answer and are supposed to get a contribution medal You haven't addressed any one point or argument made against you other than to just keep insisting that we must be somehow caught up on metaphysics because if we weren't then we'd agree with you. Spurious and illogical. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 20:48
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Alien human hybrids are a thing bc all the races are just seeds of the original DNA/whatever made by the precursor race. Like Halo. 7 of 9 has nanobots but also genetic engineering is outlawed bc Indian people. otherwise yea
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Feb 20, 2017 22:36
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gary oldmans diary posted:"[thing that doesn't exist] is baffling scientists! (uh, no. you are just pulling poo poo out of your rear end. amateur philosophers like you are baffled if you like)" If I'm pulling poo poo out of my rear end why can't you reference or cite one actual thing to shut me up instead of just calling me an idiot repeatedly? You've addressed nothing and sorry for thinking we were talking about Star Trek in the Star Trek thread lol but I didn't "insist" on anything. Also you write like you're having a stroke, are you okay fam? Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 18:33
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gary oldmans diary posted:you havent had anything to say or contribute for 2 days but "you cant prove that!" and yet you are still posting as though that means you are an integral part of a conversation. if there is any way someone could shut you up it would be a loving miracle You could report my posts and a mod could then decide whether or not to probate me! Sorry you're salty that your fantasy wank isn't real I guess.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:40
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gary oldmans diary posted:the gently caress are you even talking about? i enter conversation and demonstrate that with elimination of unknowns a deterministic solution to thought experiment exists. you are incapable of understanding and make an idiot of yourself. go do like i suggested earlier and play a video game You def demonstrated how someone having a mini-stroke posts, yes. Answer this post which you totally ignored:
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Feb 21, 2017 19:46
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gary oldmans diary posted:youve been attempting to come up with something that would qualify as a burn for a while and if you keep trying im sure youll eventually succeed. dont wait for a response just keep trying Are you ever gonna answer that post or just keep flailing around having a salty meltdown?
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Feb 21, 2017 19:54
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gary oldmans diary posted:already have addressed everything in that post. you are retarded lmao so no, you won't address that post you'll just keep doing a Donald impression and making up things that never happened to suit your purpose.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:59
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gary oldmans diary posted:i addressed the content therein without needing to quote it. i suppose this is confusing to you. You didn't though, you just handwaved it away with "lol you believe in metaphysics still." Is your shift key broken fam? quote:and the big quote youre gonna win the conversation by saying i ignored has only 2 main paragraphs to me that both start with "I think you are probably right". is your handler typing out your posts for you? give them a break please quote:I think you're probably right that persistent consciousness is a kind of illusion but I don't see how you can claim such certainty about this. Particularly as your fatuous description of the phenomenon of consciousness as "a electrical and chemical pattern" suggests that you are no expert on neurobiology. Literally all I have asked is "how are you so sure though because you seem to be basing that argument on something that isn't a known factor?" and you're having a meltdown about it. Or did you just read "I think you're probably right" and then ignore the rest?
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Feb 21, 2017 20:07
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gary oldmans diary posted:the gently caress are you even talking about? i enter conversation and demonstrate that with elimination of unknowns a deterministic solution to thought experiment exists. you are incapable of understanding and make an idiot of yourself trying to win a conversation instead of take part in one. go do like i suggested earlier and play a video game Of course if you later move the goal posts and say "this is just a thought experiment that only works if you assume we can eliminate these unknowns!" which is radically different from your original position of "if you think I'm wrong, you believe in souls like a moron" well.......... get hosed lmao. Why are you so salty about this?
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Feb 21, 2017 20:09
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gary oldmans diary posted:"youre having a meltdown!" "youre doing a donald impersonation!" Here's another post you totally ignored because it doesn't mesh with your insane logic of "I don't need to understand how this works to definitely state that it will work as I describe:" numberoneposter posted:There is a big a big problem with Multiplicity People are telling you that you're missing important bits and you're just ignoring them and/or claiming they are dumb because they must be on some metaphysics. gary oldmans diary posted:only a dullard wouldnt understand this so of course look for another moridin920 post below Yeah lol you've made just two posts about it. Nobody click on the little ? in the bottom left corner! You originally stated anyone who disagrees is dumb bc they must believe in a soul. People told you that's dumb and wrong, and now you're turning it into some "thought experiment" where you can just pick and choose which "unknowns" to "eliminate" because they contradict what you're saying. quote:if you are suggesting that there is something that cant be scanned that is outside the premise of the transporter then you are very clearly saying there is something metaphysical there that makes up consciousness K so again, that's not what I'm suggesting. Fuckin monster melt down lmao Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 20:24
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gary oldmans diary posted:"about" it? ive restated the required premises whenever relevant. im sorry you cant read posts not addressed to you lmao
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I didn't realize that was a misanthrope; I like your new username.
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