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I bought the £20 starter set for this stupid game and am painting the stormcast. What direction does one go to collect these things? The store folks are nice but they're obviously pushing me towards the big box sets, and I kinda just want to grab a Venator or Questor and play some skirmish.
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richyp posted:I started with the £20 last month, and have kind of gone out of control (scroll back for a glimpse into madness). Do you have the Skirmish Rules, they kind of limit you as to what you can choose vs full fat AoS where it's pretty much I like rats and beastmen I'll use them both in a Grand Alliance, or I only like Stormcasts so I'll have a pure Stormcast list with its bonuses and so on. I don't have the rulebook but I have the gist of what's up with it. I think, checking the points costs on the warscroll builder, that a Questor + Storm of Sigmar is 49 Renown or something? I think 50 is what my club is starting at with their campaign. I raised the possibility of a Venetor because a) the model looks cool and b) I'm wondering how vital bringing some form of ranged attack is, and I'm not in the mood for shelling out for Judicators right now.
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Sep 12, 2017 23:17
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Sigmar's Dorf, a city of dwarves prone to murderous rage, bursts of creative frenzy and outbreaks of cats.
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Sep 28, 2017 18:06
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You will need to make some forest terrain for your wildwoods unless you want to double the amount you're paying to start off. Only GW would make you spend $90 on a bunch of trees.
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Oct 4, 2017 08:30
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Double post - quick WIP lineup of my Sigmarines. I figure they're a salt-of-the-earth Chamber that were mostly ordinary people from the world-that-was and the Age of Chaos who picked up whatever they had to hand and fought back to protect their communities. They build forts, roads and infrastructure behind the bulk of the main armies, helping to resupply other warrior chambers, whilst reconnecting local tribes and teaching them that you can worship whoever, but not Chaos, because come on. You seen those dudes?
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Oct 4, 2017 22:20
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berzerkmonkey posted:These look good. Non-gold Sigmarines are the best Sigmarines. richyp posted:It's nice to see more Sigmarines especially one's in cool colour schemes. I think the Studio colour scheme gives them a bad rap when in reality the models are no worse/better than Space Marines. Thanks! I was looking at Roman Republic army stuff, so I went primarily silver with the red. I wanted to work in more leather at some point, but it didn't take off. Thankfully this is just the Storm of Sigmar box + Silver Tower expansion stuff, so I have plenty of chances to refine the process. The worst thing about Shadespire is that it has two more Liberators, one with a Grandhammer, and a model you could pass off as a Knight Questor. They won't match the bases on my other dudes, though. 
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Oct 5, 2017 22:45
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The painting restriction kind of makes sense. If you're going out of your way to replicate an in-lore army then you wouldn't try and pivot and say "no wait they're these other guys." But it's normally used in reference to historical games where you need to replicate the exact green of German tank in 1944, and not fantasy airboat dwarves that you can make anything up about.
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Oct 6, 2017 16:08
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Since models are slain during the very very hazy idea of a "allocate wounds" step this game has, the attacking model would be killed then and there and not resolve any more of its weapons.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:35
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Yeah, the way the model's sitting on the flight stand isn't taking gravity into account. Tilt the dude forwards and it'd look a bit better. Probably not a hard fix but dumb all the same.
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Oct 18, 2017 09:33
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Saint Drogo posted:iirc the gas gold is just magic gas, the oily slayers chase unrelated bits of gold that are possessed by pieces of gotrek/grimnir after a giant salamander wrecked his poo poo and there really needs to be an AoS emoticon I can end sentences like that with. The AoS emote is  but with the GW logo.
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Oct 18, 2017 18:25
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I got the Stormcast battletome because I am a man of bad decisions, and the way the lore is written is weird. It's like Games Workshop assumed that someone who bought the book somehow wouldn't be sold on playing an army of ten-foot-tall golden supermen powered by lightning and stars. Every bit of the lore is desperately trying to sell you on how cool the Stormcast are and how awesome it is when they fight, which comes across as incredibly flat. By contrast, what little I've read of the Ironjawz and the Skydorfs seems way more into details of how they're organized and their cultural stuff (like the gag of orcs being able to count past ten being a myth nobody believes). It's weird.
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Oct 20, 2017 13:10
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Also they constantly pluralize Stormcast as Stormcasts and it drives me nuts.
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Oct 20, 2017 17:10
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berzerkmonkey posted:Stormscats I'M THE STORMSCAT Skibby dibby dibby
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Oct 20, 2017 19:18
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Each battletome also has points costs, but I think GHB17 is the most up to date.
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Oct 22, 2017 20:38
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So I got paid and talked to the nice Games Workshop man and now I have the Thunder and Blood set. How on earth is this the set that has a correct minimum number of Retribitor Paladins for open games? Even the Start Collecting only has the two. 
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Oct 31, 2017 17:18
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What the hell would an 2nd Edition of AoS even look like? I highly doubt GW would change the dice mechanics as they're married to to hit/to wound and buckets of dice, mortal wounds are here to stay, and I don't trust them to change any of the weird poo poo regarding ranged attacks shooting out of melee and 3" bubbles and stuff. The most I expect is they rewrite the warscrolls to be more in line with how the Shadespire ones are presented, untangling the lore from the actual rules text, and then shuffle some deckchairs around with stuff like battalions or allegiance abilities.
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Nov 4, 2017 10:33
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The problem is that if you take mortal wounds away, the game slows right the gently caress down, because GW kept the to wound step in a game without 40k's Strength/Toughness system, or indeed any system to generate that number. This is a game where a weapon with a 4 attacks 4+/4+ statline actually only hits with one attack on average before modifiers (which, granted, are not in short supply). And that's not taking into account the rerolls and the d3 wounds and rolling to roll that most of the mortal wound powers have. Mortal Wounds band-aid the problem by guaranteeing a big chunk of wounds are lost every turn so it looks like you're doing a lot of damage, even if you roll like poo poo and don't make much ground with regular attacks.
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Nov 6, 2017 01:53
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Matte color schemes actually really work well, There's an official teal scheme that gets some play. The real trick is to figure out how to delineate the armor parts so you don't get the problem the Hammers/gold scheme has where it looks like a huge blob of gold that's not good to look at. Unrelated: gently caress Prosecutors. gently caress any Stormcast thing with the dumb wings. After having the Knight-Venator explode on me and just spending an ordeal with the Prosecutor Prime from the Blood and Thunder box where the wing wouldn't glue on, I hate them so much. If any new Stormcast models come out with those wings then I will not buy them, and probably lose a lot of games because they do Mortal Wounds when they move or something. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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Nov 8, 2017 12:09
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The GW Specialist Thread currently has "Spend 2CP to Replace CEO" as a title for a reason. A long while back their internal culture treated the models as the be-all-end-all of their business, not the game systems attached to them, and seemed incredibly tone-deaf regarding the multitude of things that they competed with. "Jewel-like objects of wonder" and "Video games are just a fad" are some choice quotes from past investor relations reports. Then Age of Sigmar happened, dumpstering a 30 year old setting with complex and cool poo poo and replacing it with faceless gold men who bear a striking resemblance to Space Marines. There's also some stuff about their lovely store practices and treatment of employee, but I don't remember that off the top of my head. Nowadays they've slowly turned the boat around by interacting more with the community, the release of 40k 8th Edition, the return of specialist games in some form or another and the slow unfucking of the AoS setting into a merely okay high fantasy setting with a progressing plot. They're not perfect, but they're infinitely less hostile than their past incarnation so I'm cool with giving them money.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:51
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Shadin posted:Oh yeah, no, I totally get it. I just keep seeing people throwing salt everywhere, so I'd legitimately like to know who they think is better based on what's happening right now in the industry, instead of just rehashing "well back in 2002". Regardless, it's not worth pressing. It's hard to say. Most companies make games with way more robust or interesting mechanics than GW's buckets of dice, so if you're looking for for a better game it's not hard. The issue is, like Atlas Hugged put it, every minis company has hosed up in some way. Privateer Press hosed the release of the third edition of Warmachine/Hordes to the point where Skorne had to get a whole new book. Malifaux uses a cool conflict resolution system but you end up gluing the feet and ankles of zombie prostitutes together. X-Wing cuts out the gluing and painting, but FFG insist on packaging everything to force you to buy multiple sets of the same thing. Spartan Games... exists? Honestly, just pick your poison. There's tons of minis games out there that are getting play and most of them are good. Are you so insecure that you need to run into every GW thread to defend them when someone criticizes them even the slightest? That's sad.
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Nov 9, 2017 08:33
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Atlas Hugged posted:Have I news for you!  Man, that's a thing. Rest in Plastic.
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Nov 9, 2017 08:54
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The discounts on certain sets are bizzare. If you want to start Stormcast or Khorne then Blood and Thunder or the $100-ish starter is way better value than their start collecting stuff. But most of the time the start collecting boxes are best, yeah. Also Skirmish makes the mechanics more tolerable by putting fewer models on the table and modifying morale to be warband-wide which is actually a pretty interesting mechanic.
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Nov 9, 2017 20:55
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Can confirm that Stormcast look good in silver and red.
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Nov 12, 2017 20:47
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Are the Sigmarine Angel guys as much of a nightmare to transport as I imagine they are? As someone with four of those bastards, yes. Store them separately and carefully otherwise you will hate your life.
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Feb 1, 2018 22:34
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My Sigmarine's hammers keep bending and breaking in GW's stupid zigzag foam case and I hate it. How do you store your minis, AoS gang?
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Feb 8, 2018 13:57
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I haven't heard anything about Kharadrons being OP, but Tzeentch has been hosed up ever since GW decided that spamming unsaveable damage was their gimmick. Sylvaneth have a roster about on par with the naked dwarves so I imagine they're not on top of the competitive scene.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:14
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The biggest thing is the Malign Portents themselves, which are essentially bundles of 40k strategiems. You generate Prophecy Points during army construction and can spend them on these game effects as you play. In GW fashion, the four heroes they've pushed for the campaign (Lord-Ordinator, Warqueen, Cave Shaman and Knight of Shrouds) and the Warscryer Citadel terrain piece also generate points, and the heroes also come with their own bundles of strategems. The book also includes some rules for playing in the spooky lands and a ton of fluff about how Nagash is totally coming back you guys, we're all hosed. It's good motivation to paint up the rest of my stuff, though I have lost a Liberator to his hammer snapping off in the case. I'm hoping to finish a relictor, three prosecutors and ten Liberators before I purchase anything else. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Feb 12, 2018 23:54
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They can be used whenever but presumably GW is assuming they're going to be mostly used in a Death/Malign Portents themed campaign.
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Feb 13, 2018 01:09
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It feels like there's a faction or two missing from the list. There's Order, which is nominally the good guys, and then there's three factions that are nominally villains - spikey evil Chaos, Death and Destruction. On the other hand, if you added more factions you'd make the already fractured situation with them even worse unless you start aggressively rolling the disparate Empire and Elves stuff together.
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Feb 19, 2018 15:58
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One of the Malign Portents stories describes human crossbowmen hiding behind a skeleton shield wall and I'd really like that kind of hybrid for a Death-aligned human army. A mix of human and skeleton troops collaborating together, backed by necromancers and lead by a local lord or a low-level vampire.
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Feb 19, 2018 20:44
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I have a week to get ready to fight an ogre player. I'm not 100% on the points limit yet but I don't even have a full battleline so that's fun. I have heard horror stories about how effective Gutbusters are, so how do I stand up to them? Is dropping the Paladin hammer on them a must?fadam posted:What book do you need to start playing this with the actual tournament rules and stuff? The last I paid attention to this game it was a big joke and had rules about like pretending to ride a horse to get a to hit bonus, but I just found out a bunch of my friends started playing and I wouldn't mind getting into a miniatures game again if its pretty low impact. Genera's Handbook 2017 provides matched play rules. You should also pick up the battletome of your faction of choice to get their allegiance abilities and relics and other cool stuff. You can get it for a laughable discount through the app if you don't feel like lugging books around. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Feb 20, 2018 |
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Feb 20, 2018 22:30
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fadam posted:Are any of the factions big losers? Is there a site that collects winning army lists like Discount Games Inc for WHFB or the MTG mothership? I always like having a baseline to see what's good. I'm not super into the tournament scene so I couldn't tell you what's hot or where to find lists, only what I've picked up occasionally. Sylvaneth suffers from a small roster list and underwhelming abilities right now so they aren't great. Tzeench puts out a lot of mortal wounds and the steampunk dwarves tend to shoot things off the table real good. Mixed Order lists tend to place highly and win a lot.
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Feb 20, 2018 23:06
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Behold my painting plus a conversion of a Grandhammer I made from the easy build guys. I hosed up layering the script on the Relictor so I'm gonna have to shade that back in but I'm pretty happy overall. Just the rock and base to do now! And then three prosecutors, 6 Liberators and an Ordinator 
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Feb 21, 2018 22:39
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Yeah and it's piss easy to spray silver or paint leadbelcher and then nuln oil it so it's real baffling they stick with a ton of gold everywhere. Hell, even if they broke up the mass with more of different colours it'd look way better.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:55
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Those day names need shortening, if only because I'd love to have a pint on a Sigsday. The fluff for the Stormcast book needs updating because it still reads like a desperate sales pitch, but the later stuff is a lot more interesting.
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Feb 23, 2018 14:55
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This thread is severely lacking in battle reports so you'll be pleased to know I'm going to do one on Wednesday, featuring me hopefully turbomurdering some Ogres.
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Feb 27, 2018 00:21
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MonsterEnvy posted:Glad Witch Elves have a better Warscroll, but they are still very expensive. This is a ways back but this reminded me that I really want someone to go back and do a pass on the early warscrolls for Stormcast, because the fluff is still mixed in with the rules and holy gently caress who needs to distinguish between a sword and a hammer for the Liberators?
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Feb 27, 2018 15:07
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Victory for the Stormcast forces over the hated Beastclaw Raiders! I'll have pics up soon.
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Feb 28, 2018 22:26
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MonsterEnvy posted:They better be cool. I promise nothing and deliver less.
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Another battle report but with no photos I guess. Three way fight between my Stormcast, some Gutbusters and Khorne. Ogres are horseshit but the real danger was not paying attention to the enormous horde of Khorne until it was too late. RIP.
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