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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Red_Fred posted:

I've always known that Italian cars are hilariously unreliable and strangely designed. Is this still the case? Why is/has that been the case?
For their original market, bad build quality was never a dealbreaker, somehow. Honda would have never made it in America if they didn't increase the reliability gap with domestic cars with each generation.
But in their heyday, Italian cars could be unreliable but still a dream to drive and worth the headache.

New cars are lightyears more reliable than something from the 80s or before. But I also wouldn't be surprised if a Giulia ends up being more trouble and higher TOC than a BMW.

I'm gonna try to get an Integrale Evo someday... someday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiwaZ9SD6-A&t=10s

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I'm drooling: http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19684/jay-kays-lancia-delta-integrale-comes-up-for-sale
Watch that video if you aren't familiar with the Integrale Evo -- shows a few of the special bits.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
:3:
http://jalopnik.com/the-alfa-romeo-giulia-is-the-perfect-unreliable-italian-1796883384

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
He makes a lot of good points (and gets quoted in the other article), but he doesn't double down on the fact that teething pains or not, new cars can never have the character that old cars will. Like if the car performed flawlessly, would it be able to recapture the brand spirit in a Spider or GTV?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

He does mention that no modern car can match up to the older stuff, but it is kind of a throwaway line.

I know he wrote that; I'm just saying that he's positioning his argument to mean that if the Giulia were trouble free, then it would really capture people's imagination in a way that other cars can't. He wants the car to be well made, but that doesn't necessarily get it to where it needs to be.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
The Fulvia is incredible stylish but the prices people seem willing to pay are way higher than what the car is, yeah. It'd better drive incredibly. It's that kind of rare where I've never experienced what it feels like, like most vintage Italian cars.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Look who's making moves on an Integrale!
https://bringatrailer.com/member/kpflynn/

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
How can they port that exhaust to the 300?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-fiat-124-spider-pininfarina/

Good comment:
"I credit my 124 Spider’s workshop manual and wiring diagram with my passing knowledge of Italian … nero, azzuro, verde, bianco, not to mention the gauges with benzina and olio"

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

edit: panasports blow on Italian cars, cromodora supremacy bitches

They don't look quite right, but only the 4 spoke Cromodoras would work on that 124, which it doesn't really to be said, looks light years better than the tribute of the modern 124.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Do they interfere with each other?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
They don't make fun enough of its typical Italian car origin story:
https://jalopnik.com/this-alfa-was-dropped-by-a-tow-truck-and-then-it-became-1820805337

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Holy moly:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-lancia-stratos/

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Kyoon, what did you think of this one, quality to price wise?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-lancia-fulvia-2/

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

MrOnBicycle posted:

Also, part of the charm is that it isn't too expensive right now to drive comfortably.

As long as you maintain it, you'll be able to enjoy it without worrying about the long term costs -- there'll always be some money to recoup when you sell it.


Comrade Flynn bought one of the Delta Integrales on BaT, and the 3 or 4 Delta guys who post on every listing have really made me want to get one.
Despite all of CT's warnings on how it doesn't handle well, that exhaust sounds killer.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

DoLittle posted:

and maybe look in to steering column extenders.

That was the number one thing that took my 348 from awkward to drive to sublime -- a 25mm steering wheel spacer.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Completely unfair, as it's parked outside a shop, but I love that in this random news clip, an Integrale has its hood up and a service van in front of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKY1pFyqu8&t=123s

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Cholmondeley posted:

I've had mine for nearly a year, with no real issues, and it's a blast to own and drive. I've heard there were some software glitches on some of the early models, but I think they've been fixed.

Makes you wonder if the loaners they gave journos was a total lemon, and if the continued stigma could have been avoided by swapping a few cars out.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Saw a pretty clean X1/9 running around in Cambridge today and I fist-pumped. Glad to see it moving and not rusting away somewhere.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
gently caress. Yeah.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-ferrari-308-gt4-5/

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Sten Freak posted:

That's sweet but of all the Ferarri engines they chose the one with the absurdly low timing belt interval?

E: I guess being a race car it gets pulled open all the time anyway? I dunno.

I assume so -- make sure all the subframe bolts are exposed and just drop the rear half when you do services.

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Sten Freak posted:

I sent that link to my uncle (a 348ts owner once like you) and mentioned the engine and he said something like I was nervous anytime I ran it up to 7k rpm because of the timing belt, sold that car and never looked back. I guess if it's a young belt it's good to go but the short life doesn't inspire confidence. Yours blew under mileage but over-life right?
Yeah. Was something like 5 years, but 20k mi or something insignifcant. People in FerrariChat say as long as 7, but having seen it almost first hand, I would probably do 4, tops. $10k every 4 years, jeez.

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