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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
"GDP growth for the next year is projected to be between -100% and +105%, so on average it's +2.5%, yeah, nothing wrong with this picture"

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
I don't know if that's such a good burn though, I definitely wouldn't want to live in Japan - their workaholic culture is too extreme for my taste. They need to relax.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

forkboy84 posted:

But what if they relax by watching anime? Better they work themselves into an early grave than that.

Pervertedness in anime is a direct result of the USA heavily censoring porn in Japan, basically.

Can you imagine what Japan might next create if anime is banned?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Sorry if this sounds ignorant but isn't NI basically the equivalent of paying for health insurance in other countries?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Jeza posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/pret-a-manger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit

I don't even know what to make of this. Is this real?

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff. The idea of working in a coffee shop as "student" work was something they were keen to distance themselves from, pushing the idea that a "barista" was a real long-term job, because by lowering their workforce turnover they could massively increase their bottom line.

It was a depressing conversation and I remember it every time I get a coffee in one of those chains.

That kind of thing really only applies to the absolute lowest paid jobs.

With skilled jobs, there's a very real shortage of capable people and EU nationals are an absolute necessity. I can assure you, for example, that there is a massive shortage of software developers even with rampant hiring of EU and non-EU nationals alike, and your nationality doesn't factor at all into your paycheck. In fact, from all the people I've worked with in the UK, migrants have always been paid more than British nationals because most British nationals I've worked with have been a lot more complacent and more interested in "cushy" jobs, so they tend to "shop around" less, and therefore earn less.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
"By the way they don't call it the last Labour government for nothing"

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
It's almost as if the real problem is not the european immigrants but *gasp* the corrupt gently caress parasite politicians that bleed the country dry

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Fangz posted:

Middle aged white guys in pinstripe suits.

Now they are talking about cars. "I have two jaguars, a Peugeot and a bmw convertible. Jags are so cheap these days."

"Osborne is a tosser".

"Heseltine is an arrogant fool."

Now I don't normally condone violence, but...

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
You'd think that Tories, of all people, would know just how much their voting base hates taxes.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

MikeCrotch posted:

I think the Tories are genuinely worried about driving the country completely into the ground

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Just another perfectly british evening, drinking a lemon & ginger infusion in bed while watching the value of the pound plummet.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Western "interests" are bad, the thing is that non-western "interests" are just as bad, or worse. At some point though, they all meld together into a big pool of poo poo.

By "interests" I mean big money, mostly. Which in the end is the reason behind every military power play, every terrorist group, every everything.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Breath Ray posted:

Its the ŕeason behind your arrival on these shores too tbf

At this point I'm going to assume you just have a massive hardon for latinos, that's why you keep bringing it up. Sorry, I'm not available.

PS I have zero shame about being an economic migrant so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve here but lol

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

LemonDrizzle posted:

So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115

Will be interested to see how this affects the broadband offers I receive, if at all.

It won't. Telcos have gotten extremely good at splitting to avoid regulations over the last few decades, all over the world.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
If the plan was to leave the EU and abolish neoliberalism, ok maybe I would believe you. But the plan seems to be to leave the EU to... give all power to a Tory neoliberal government that has already shown it wants to privatise everything and turn the UK into a tax haven??? Am I missing something here?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
When I see people refer to the EU as the "EUSSR" in Guardian comments I think to myself "actually that would be great". Imagine full socialist EU, having learned from the mistakes of the Russian experiment.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Hoops posted:

Devils advocate then - isn't it easier for the left to succeed in one isolated country that is not interdependent with right wing governments than it is to succeed in five or six countries at the same time? It's easier to move an island nation to the left than move a whole continent.

No because the economy will go down the shitter and the right wing is extremely efficient during times of hardship.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
The EU is like going out barefoot in winter: it's a really bad idea, your feet will freeze, you'll complain all along "jesus gently caress going out barefoot in winter is really a bad idea, god why didn't I just put on socks, this loving sucks".

The thing is when you eventually realise that no EU at all, is like going out naked.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

and i must meme posted:

How bad is it really going to get? Like is everyone just overreacting or is this really going to be as bad as people are implying?

Nothing is going to happen for the next 2 years or so. After that, when the UK actually leaves the EU, there will be a period of 5 years or so where living conditions will slowly degrade, unemployment and inflation will rise, and the GBP will keep going down until it's equal to the US dollar (salaries won't go up though, and house prices won't go down).

I know I'm usually ringing the bells of doom in this thread, but in all honesty it won't be that bad. Quality of life in the UK will just go down a bit (to France/Spain levels), but it won't implode.

Hopefully after this is all well and done, people will elect a Labour government and public opinion will veer towards the left, and the UK will slowly start recovering.

As to what to do, if you're a professional in demand and a EU citizen, you can start getting ready to jump ship to greener pastures in ~2 years time (Amsterdam and Berlin are probably good choices). If you're neither, eh, hang in there I guess, it will pass.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Seaside Loafer posted:

How do you actually go about doing it? Moving abroad that is. By hook and crook I am actually possessed of 20 years experience of technical stuff that is well employable pretty much everywhere I guess but if you are the hiring manager in a town in Ecuador and one of the CV's you receive is from a bloke who is currently in Essex and cant speak Spanish you arent putting that to the top of the list are you. Face to face interview would be a bit problematic as well wouldn't it.

Maybe I'm missing something here but why the hell would you move to South America? And Ecuador, on top of that.

If I didn't have family in SA I would just forget its existence entirely.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Pissflaps posted:

https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/840907858401218560

Wasn't there someone in this thread recently bemoaning the cost of securing a visa for their partner?

"loving immigrants are the worst scum of the earth, right, my darling immigrant wife?"

I've even seen this kind of behaviour in immigrants. People who already have gotten UK citizenships and voted Brexit because they don't want more immigrants. And I'm like "what the gently caress"

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
FYGM philosophy transcends all nationality and creed

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

TACD posted:

On a separate note, I got an email from my lettings agent today; they want me to come sign the contract for next year. Sounds fair enough except my current lease doesn't end until July :stare:
I've never had this happen before - is there anything other than common decency (lol) keeping agents from requiring you to sign for the next year arbitrarily far in advance? Presumably if I say I don't want to sign anything until nearer the date we'll spend the next four months having random people shown round our flat and possibly having to move out.

They probably want to (significantly) hike your rent up, and are showing you the number in advance so that if you say no, they can start looking for a new tenant

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jBrereton posted:

Do you not remember at least half the press and the BBC going apeshit about the boris bus?

And a grand amount of good that did

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Pissflaps I don't know if you've been watching the world lately, but the way politics works these days is you can do whatever the gently caress you want and say all the lies you want and no one will hold you accountable for poo poo, so "some politician said/did X some time ago!" is meaningless in this poo poo world.

Hopefully though, maybe, the amended bill goes through. I really hope so, mostly out of self-interest, but also because at this stage of the game those two amendments will soften the blow of Brexit considerably. Without them, well, everything's still kinda hosed.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Dead Goon posted:

Keep it British, keep it Anaal Nathrakh.

Boorman's Excalibur is a great movie and I refuse to accept this desecration.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Everyone is entitled to their own tastes. That thing is extremely out of my taste range.

I've found that pretty much every human being I've met likes Queen, though. That's like common ground.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

tessiebee posted:

Asda changes to contract and wages in the news. No pressure apparently http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39257259

Lol yep, straight outta the loving neoliberal manual. Told you guys "laboral flexibilization" is coming, this is barely the beginning.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
I have to say, in all my life, you two are the first people I ever find that don't like Queen. Maybe brits are more likely to not like them? Prophets in their own land and all that.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
MPs debating on the amendments. Sources say Article 50 won't be passed until the end of March. poo poo going down tonight yo. Hold onto your butts.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

WeAreTheRomans posted:

You might as well, there'll be plenty of British firms to work for here post-Brexit

By the way, you're in Dublin right? How is it compared to London with regards to safety, public transport, and quality of life in general? It's an attractive option for the post-collapse to me because they speak english there, and also cheap real estate (compared to London).

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Forget it Flaps, it's Brexit-town

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Article 50 triggered tonight. Welp. There we go folks. This is gonna be a ride.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
It's effectively the same thing. What, do you expect May -not- to trigger it at this point or what? Yes I understand actual negotiations don't start until she actually does it, but let's be honest, markets and companies will start executing contingencies about now.

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Mar 13, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

feedmegin posted:

Anti-monarchism was way more of a thing about 20 years ago; these things tend to go in cycles, there was a period of Vicky's reign where the monarchy was seriously unpopular too. There are still plenty of people who don't like the Queen and are just kinda 'meh' about her, though.

Edit: Wow, I should really learn to read better :shobon:

(I am 'meh' about Queen the band too, if that helps)

Huh? I was talking about music, so obviously it's Queen, the band. gently caress the monarch Queen, I hate royalty.

Also my advice to the thread is to dehumanise yourself and face to bloodshed, in general.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Well yeah, there's not much to be gained from ping-pong at this rate, the commons can just skip the lords if there's too much back-and-forth and then you have ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE again.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
There's no point in denying reality, Brexit is gonna happen. The best we can hope for is:
- Guarantees for UK citizens in the EU and EU citizens in the UK
- A non-poo poo trade deal
- Passporting rights for London (or kiss the finance industry goodbye)

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Lol the tories will own absolutely nothing.

I for one would welcome certainty as soon as possible, even if it's the "you gotta get the gently caress away from ARE ISLANDS in two years" kind.

PS today the pound will definitely get a pounding.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Well, when you have a media terrorism apparatus that can sic fanatical right-wingers on you, you don't want to be on the headlines as ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE, I guess.

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Dehumanise yourself and face to Brexit, mate. In the meantime, it's now legal to fire people for wearing islamic headscarves and stuff. Legalised religious discrimination, nothing can possibly go wrong.

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