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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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hakimashou posted:Maybe Labour needs a leader who will say "fine, if Britain doesn't want immigrants we won't have immigrants. Let's save the NHS and fix our housing problems and make Britain a better place to live." Are you advocating a form of socialism based on nativism? Sort of a 'national' socialism? Would it have camps?
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Mar 1, 2017 15:38
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hakimashou posted:All I know is that Britain sounds pretty bad. Like here in America we are a nation of immigrants, but you guys were colonial oppressors and you even say that your best prime minister in a generation was a war criminal. So were you? Like, ask the Philippines what went down about a century and change ago. I'm not sure what on earth that has to do with our Leader of the Opposition in 2017 and I'm not sure that an American is in the best place to tell us what we should be doing better given the results on the ground over there 
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Mar 1, 2017 16:35
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Sorry for my only contributions to the thread being tweets but occasionally something comes along that, well Uhhh 'never been caught ' seems super bad phrasing 
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Mar 5, 2017 13:31
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Pissflaps posted:Stephen Hawking? He's just a 'science man'. gently caress his opinion. About politics, or indeed anything else other than theoretical physics? Yes, pretty much. The AI thing has been brought up. I am an actual, working, real-life computer programmer and I don't expect to see strong AI in my lifetime. I am confident that I know better than Stephen Hawking on this topic, because it's what I've spent my life doing while he's been doing physics stuff. High intelligence is nice but it only gets you so far on any given topic without actual experience and hard graft.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:27
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namesake posted:Bad..... for the Tories! There's only one camp itt, even Tess isn't representative of mainstream Leave.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:55
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Pissflaps posted:Seems to be a massive, massive twat to this UKMT heavyweight. I do like that Galloway is something apparently all of us itt can agree on without controversy.
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Mar 10, 2017 13:37
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Paxman posted:George Galloway blocked me on Twitter. Well it's hardly surprising he wouldn't get on well with Jeremy Paxman.
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Mar 10, 2017 16:17
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Breath Ray posted:Its my opinion based on meeting him once. I suppose the lesson for whoever asked is to think for themselves and remember there's two sides to every story. I love that I posted celebrating that even the resident trolls hated the guy and you popped up and promptly successfully trolled the thread. 
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Mar 10, 2017 16:18
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jBrereton posted:People worked abroad in Europe before Brentry. Dunno if you've noticed but immigration to all First World countries has been getting progressively harder for decades now but especially since about ~2000. We are no longer in the 70s and more to the point neither are places like France or Belgium when it comes to their outside-of-EU immigration policies.
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Mar 12, 2017 16:49
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Pissflaps posted:Really? Does Scotland or Middlesbrough have the 'right' to be independent? Do states of the US have the right to secede? Having already had one referendum on the issue, we (the UK) have clearly conceded that Scotland has a right to independence if it wants it. Scotland's status as a nation hasn't changed since then; if the wishes of its inhabitants have, then why shouldn't they become independent?
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Mar 13, 2017 12:01
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big scary monsters posted:These really are exciting times in UK politics. This must have been how people felt under Cromwell: bewildered and terrified. Not really, by the time he became Lord Protector and was running the joint things had mostly stabilised. You're thinking more of the Rump. (Also, leaving aside Ireland, Cromwell was probably one of our better rules by and large)
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Mar 13, 2017 14:11
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Pochoclo posted:I have to say, in all my life, you two are the first people I ever find that don't like Queen. Maybe brits are more likely to not like them? Prophets in their own land and all that. Anti-monarchism was way more of a thing about 20 years ago; these things tend to go in cycles, there was a period of Vicky's reign where the monarchy was seriously unpopular too. There are still plenty of people who don't like the Queen and are just kinda 'meh' about her, though. Edit: Wow, I should really learn to read better (I am 'meh' about Queen the band too, if that helps)
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Mar 13, 2017 20:43
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Oh dear me posted:I'd rather we stopped talking as though we had a presidential system. May was elected as MP by her constituents and as party leader by her party, just like every other PM. Well, by the MPs of her party, at least.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:40
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TinTower posted:Ping-pong is theoretically infinite. The government would have to wait for a new session of Parliament. In addition to everyone else pointing out you don't know how the gently caress our constitution works and/or have time travelled from 1910, you realise the government could do exactly what it threatened to do back then and get the Queen to appoint as many pro-Brexit Lords as are necessary to vote things through? You may want to read a GCSE History textbook, just saying.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:45
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Cerv posted:if your history text book doesn't cover why no government has ever actually stuffed the Lords to that extent, you could have a look at the recent news reports from shortly after Cameron's lot won the last general election but were left with a minority in the upper house. It's obviously a nuclear option, which is why it hasn't been done yet. Regardless, 'the Lords can delay legislation indefinitely' is not a thing and has never really been a thing. Also, King Edward strongly opposed the Liberals at the time, whereas all indications are the Queen favours Brexit, so I doubt she'd have some kind of crisis of conscience tbh.
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Mar 14, 2017 14:51
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Bedshaped posted:This is my favourite hummus. I'm partial to Sabra brand myself. Sadly neither Tesco nor Waitrose carry it which are my two proper-supermarket options where I live 
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Mar 14, 2017 17:04
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MikeCrotch posted:Isn't saying you like Sabra the best like saying your favourite Italian food restaurant is Pizza Hut I do quite like Pizza Hut. Always fill up at the unlimited salad bar, too.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:11
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cosmically_cosmic posted:This really is the most important part to me. There was massive denial that Trump would get anywhere near to the presidency. The reality we live in now was literally laughed at by anyone with above 100 IQ's. I remember posting in the USPol thread shortly before the election something along the lines of 'we're totally hosed, really hope you won't be too!' and having like half a dozen of their thread regulars jumping down my throat saying there was no chance Trump would be elected and I was a fool for thinking so. Oops.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:33
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jabby posted:It's great that the Lib Dems are at least pretending to stand on principle, but they kind of give the game away by incessantly blaming Labour for everything rather than the party in power. I've noted this a lot from my own Lib Dem friends, actually. Like, you guys want to say you're the real opposition? How about saying nasty stuff about the guys you were in coalition with for 2 years rather than having 90% of your tweets be about Labour.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:49
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kingturnip posted:I mean, I hate the Evening Standard and I hate George Osborne, but the level of vitriol is somewhat surprising. Did anyone give the tiniest poo poo when Boris was editing the Spectator? Are there Tory MPs raising their monocles when one of their number writes a column for a broadsheet? They're scared of retired politicians coming for ~their jerbs~. It's supposed to go the other way you see.
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Mar 18, 2017 11:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:
With modern tech, if your plan is not getting invaded by Russia, you would probably be better reinforcing the RAF and giving the Army serious business surface to ship missiles and relying on the US to protect our food imports. If they can't or won't do even that much for the duration of a modern war we're hosed anyway.
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Mar 18, 2017 16:02
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LemonDrizzle posted:Relying on bombers as your sole nuclear deterrent is a really really really bad idea. They have a couple of very big problems: they require infrastructure like runways and airports to launch (guess what your enemy would be aiming to destroy first in a hypothetical nuclear first strike!), and they're fat, slow, and comparatively easy to shoot down before they reach their target. Submarine-launched ballistic missiles are launched from things that are effectively invisible when deployed (and so can't be destroyed by an enemy's first strike), and are also near-impossible to shoot down with modern technology - it turns out that it's quite hard to even keep track of lumps of metal travelling through space at 7 km/s, never mind hitting them with anything. I didn't mean bombers - this isnt the 50s - and I was assuming we keep Trident. It's our carriers and other surface ships I'm querying.
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Mar 18, 2017 16:40
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Pistol_Pete posted:To have a proper nuclear deterrent you need a bit of everything: strategic bombers, mobile, land based systems and submarines. It's called the Nuclear Triad and it ensures that no matter what, you'll preserve enough of your nuclear forces to launch retaliatory strikes in the event of an attack. In TYOOL 2017 strategic bombers are only useful for making the Air Force not feel left out in countries with the money to spend that much on nukes; it's politics not military usefulness. The idea of that one submarine of course is that it is very difficult to find, but the solution to any fears in that regard is lots more submarines, not to also add aircraft and land based systems. Especially for us given how little warning time we'd get from a Russian first strike (and China isn't that much better) and how small we are (not many places to hide said land based systems, compared to the US).
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Mar 18, 2017 18:19
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Also, with a laptop bomb you needn't go on the plane yourself, I guess. You could conceive of making something that looks like a removable battery, with a timer inside of it, and replacing the laptop's actual battery with it. (No GCHQ I am not a terrorist I promise)
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Mar 21, 2017 19:56
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno what rail it is that does the bit near London, just that it seems like all the southern operators seem to be in the poo poo. You would probably take Cross Country from somewhere like Paddington along the WCML.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:55
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Rakosi posted:A lot of posters ITT unironically think the biggest thing wrong with Cox's murder was that she wasn't Tory or UKIP, if you read the thread when it happened. Dont be so surprised. I hope you eat a probation for this, tbh.
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Mar 22, 2017 21:21
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Guavanaut posted:That's actually a traditional British method used against Indians who looked at the Empire funny. To be fair, we got it from the Mughals, we didn't make it up ourselves. We were trying to be ~culturally sensitive~!
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Mar 23, 2017 17:24
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That link appears not to work any more. What was in it?
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Mar 24, 2017 13:37
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forkboy84 posted:Well yes, if you think liberalism is a fine ideology and value the EU then obviously voting for the Lib Dems makes a lot of sense. If however you think liberalism is dreadful, think that the Lib Dems are inherently complicit in every ill we have now because of their 5 years of cosying up to Pigfucker & Gideon, there's actually other pro-EU parties out there you can vote for. Obviously not Labour, but in Scotland or Wales you can vote for SNP or Plaid Cymru because for whatever reason Scottish & Welsh nationalism seems much less anti-EU than English & British nationalism. Dunno about the England & Wales Greens but the Scottish Greens seem alright on Europe. You could join More United but that just seems like the Lib Dems to be honest as well as a couple of pro-EU, pro-free market centrists from Labour & the Tories. So uh for the 5 out of 6 of us or so in England or Wales you're saying there isn't another pro EU option, on the face of it.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:51
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forkboy84 posted:Well, I'd suggest you look at the Greens policy more closely. I just don't have much reason to because the party up here is different. But yes, if you value the EU & economic liberalism higher than anything else, the Lib Dems seem like the perfect party for you. Oh I'm still voting for socialism, comrade. I was just amused by your post that started off 'there's actually other pro-EU parties out there you can vote for' and then goes straight on to admit that for most people in this country there basically aren't.
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Mar 25, 2017 22:10
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Cerv posted:that kind of discrimination is sadly still common in the letting industry. but most people are smart enough to not put it in writing. It's Fergus Wilson. He's literally a landlord troll. A trolllord. He claimed a few months ago he was selling up - https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/dec/09/buy-to-let-landlord-days-numbered-fergus-wilson-tax-changes-mortgage-rules but I guess not, after all?
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Mar 28, 2017 13:09
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TinTower posted:"So, Mr Goebbels, do you have any response to the accusation that not only were you directly involved in the commission of genocide, you also engaged in human experimentation on prisoners of war?" Goebbels was Propaganda Minister, he neither ordered genocide (he wasn't at the Wannsee Conference, though he got the minutes afterwards), nor did he take part in human experimentation; regardless, you'd have had a hard time asking him that question at trial since he committed suicide alongside Hitler (Not that he wasn't totally down with the whole idea, but I'm not sure that could be considered a war crime in and of itself unfortunately)
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Mar 28, 2017 13:16
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WeAreTheRomans posted:What the Christ does he have against renting to plumbers though? Surely they would do their own repairs into the bargain. Was he touched by a plumber as a child The non-racist reason would be that anyone who is self-employed doesn't have a steady, predictable income, making them more likely to be unable to pay the rent if they have a bad month. Lol if you think that's his reason though, especially given the whole 'Polish plumber' stereotype specifically.
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Mar 28, 2017 18:48
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nopantsjack posted:You can't do a copper for killing someone then you certainly can't do a soldier for it. It used to be pretty much pissflaps until a few months ago, then jBrereton popped up as a pound shop Flaps and a couple of Europol nazis started posting in here more regularly. I've never blocked anyone on these forums before but I'm considering it in an effort to make this thread actually readable.
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Mar 29, 2017 11:17
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Or starting a slave-trading business in early 1833. Well, uh, given the Atlantic slave trade was abolished in 1807, I would say so, yes.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:07
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Breath Ray posted:I was hoping someone could clarify things with a computer game analogy Have you played Bioshock: Infinite? Like that, but more rain.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:08
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Namtab posted:The death or glory boyz I like that they've been amalgamated like three times since and kept the skull every time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Lancers for our current heroic lads.
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