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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Jose posted:Is there any reason the lib dems went for AV instead of another system? I probably should have paid more attention during the referendum Basically it's the smallest possible change from the current system, as people thought that anything further would be too far in the minds of the British people. Turns out...
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I always  about Lib Dems who think they were punished electorally for breaking a campaign promise on tuition fees, and not for propping up the Tories for 5 years and helping enact crushing austerity and cuts.
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Mar 15, 2017 10:13
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LMAO holy poo poo, so now Corbyn is even responsible for the Lib Dems being useless apparently What are some actual Lib Dem policies for how to fix the country, other than 1. Remain in the EU somehow 2. ... 3. that's it
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Mar 15, 2017 14:06
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Jose posted:it does explain tintower's posting Nah It didn't mention Momentum anywhere
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Mar 15, 2017 14:11
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kustomkarkommando posted:Is Clive Lewis a Tory sellout for proposing it Nah, he's not the only one to have mentioned it. A whole of people in the Labour party are much less enthusiastic about the idea than they might have been in 2010 though, for obvious reasons, especially since at this point it's not clear *at all* what the Lib Dems would want or do as a coalition partner.
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Mar 15, 2017 14:18
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OwlFancier posted:I mean if he wants to adopt the Tory policy of putting the lib dems in a gimp suit and riding them around the commons before nicking all their voters I wouldn't complain. Turns out Tim Farron was just playing the long game to get in a dom/sub relationship with Theresa May
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Mar 15, 2017 14:20
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Let's not forget that Yvette Cooper has a not-insignificant role in where we are today, by completely failing to challenge Theresa May in her tenure as Shadow Home Secretary and allowing poo poo like Yarl's Wood to get through without proper scrutiny for fear of not looking like she was tough on crime. If Theresa May had actually had to defend herself properly and had the poo poo she was getting up to properly exposed, she might not be PM right now. And as for "New Labour did good stuff", yeah, they did. I'm not denying that. Problem is that the Labour party from 2010-2015 wasn't suggesting policy like the national minimum wage, they were suggesting fiery stuff like "Maybe we could cut a little bit less than the Tories, a bit, I suppose, we're still economically tough though!" Look around the world for how well triangulation is going for the centre-left who are sticking to it; spoilers, it ain't good. We've already heard about the Dems in the US, and things aren't much better in Germany, Sweden, France and elsewhere either. Corbyn isn't a good leader by any stretch of the imagination, but it definitely could be worse, and right now he seems like the only choice to actually tack the party leftwards and potentially keep it there.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:21
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Undead Hippo posted:I'd be happy with either Kier Starmer or Clive Lewis. They both seem not poo poo. At the minute Clive Lewis seems to be the living embodiment of the "Anybody Else" candidate. Like he's been an MP for less than two years and essentially his only major act is resigning from the shadow cabinet over the A50 vote; I get the feeling people are projecting more than a little bit over how good a leader he would be (if he even wanted it). Starmer seems much in the same boat though less people seem interested in seeing him become leader. We'll see I guess. All of it is irrelevant until the Labour party rules change to allow a left wing candidate to stand.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:42
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Starmer and Lewis are both going to have exactly the same problems as Corbyn though - both are inexperienced in leading a party and political infighting, if they are actually left wing they are going to have to deal with a hostile PLP almost certainly, and there's no indication they would do a better job of messaging and media management. In Starmer's case he has in many ways the exact problem Corbyn does with messaging - the ability to talk about in depth issues with nuance, but none to talk in charismatic, media friendly soundbites.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:56
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Guavanaut posted:What do Blue Labour even stand for? I've only seen their sponsored posts with huge flags and 'traditionalism'. Blue Labour are the "We stand for working class concerns, and when we say that we mean white working class concerns about race and the gays and literally nothing else"
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Mar 15, 2017 18:34
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JFairfax posted:wait hang on, blue labour is a thing not just an insult ? Unfortunately not. Blue Labour website posted:The challenge to conventional politics at the moment is the question of what the political world might look like if it tried to work with rather than against the grain of our humanity.’ – from the Foreword by Rowan Williams
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Mar 15, 2017 19:21
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dispatch_async posted:Chuka Umunna, the Labour former Shadow Business Secretary, has said Blue Labour "provides the seeds of national renewal" Hahahahahahahahahahahahaah Every time I think Chuka can't be more of a oval office
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Mar 15, 2017 19:27
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CareyB posted:Hate to break it to you Labour folks but there is noone in your party better than Corbyn or would be more effective than Corbyn in a GE. Nobody, the party is chock full of crazy and erring on unprofessional (to people) - corbyns just been doing it longest. I think you are referring to Chuka "The British Barack Obama*" Umunna, whose talents so far have amounted to being a complete charisma vacuum, chucking his lot in with right wing populist ideas at every chance and making a total hash of every media opportunity he's given. Sounds like a real winner to me. *(because he edited his own Wikipedia page to say so)
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Mar 15, 2017 22:36
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Tesseraction posted:*according to crazy man we found in a ditch You mistyped "Source close to the Labour party"
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Mar 16, 2017 13:28
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Tom Blenkinsop is a poo poo right? He's quoted in the Telegraph as going all in on Corbyn over a perceived failure of Labour to attack the Tories on the NI u-turn. Obviously he hasn't thought very hard about why Labour might not want to go whole hog on attacking Phillip Hammond on the subject of progressive tax increases...
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Mar 16, 2017 16:24
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LemonDrizzle posted:You don't have to attack the policy to attack the government; it would be pretty easy to go after the government for being too weak to stand up to even the nuttiest of their own backbenchers (and use that as an excuse to open up the Things The Monday Clubbers Actually Believe And Want folder...). He did bring it up at PMQs and elsewhere , just not to the degree Blenkinsop would have liked. And does anyone give a poo poo about the Monday Club anymore? Seems like people have much more things to be concerned about coming from the right wing (e.g. the current PM) than a bunch of old dudes in a club with less than 600 members.
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Mar 16, 2017 16:38
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TinTower posted:The most likely coalitions are probably PVV-CDA-D66-GL or PVV-CDA-D66-PvDA. The problem comes with the Senate, otherwise PVV-D66-GL-PvDA would be more likely. I'm assuming you meant VVD not PVV unless you are suggesting Geert Wilders is going to unite the Dutch right and left using the power of his hair
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Mar 16, 2017 17:38
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ThomasPaine posted:Yes I know but I remember reading somewhere that it costs way more than the NHS as a percentage of GDP, and that it's super good quality on the whole. Seems a bit convoluted though. Private insurance by a few approved providers, heavily subsidised by the government, then you have to use the facilities provided by 'your' insurer. Don't see why you wouldn't just cut out the middleman. Might be mixing up a couple of european countries here mind. If you cut out the middleman then they would make less money Any system other than state provided universal healthcare costs more per capita, purely because you now have companies and people in the system who demand to be paid a profit. Capitalism!
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Mar 17, 2017 12:43
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Also George Osbourne as chancellor orchestrated one of the biggest wealth transfers from the poor to the rich in British history, did absolutely nothing to fix the systemic problems with the British financial sector and has killed people as a direct result of his cuts. He is absolute scum.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:45
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Don't Lol me posted:Did I make an excuse for Corbyn anywhere? He gave a bad performance when handed an easy way to score points, but again, so what? People's praise of Winston Churchill is directly inversely proportional to the amount they actually know about him. People who don't know anything think "blitz spirit" and "we will fight them on the beaches". Once you start reading about him you find out about the Black and Tans, Gallipolli, Norway, comparing the Labour party to the Gestapo... The amount of insanely bad ideas that Churchill came up with and managed to get put into practice is staggering.
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Mar 17, 2017 13:34
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Maybe he can build on the gains of other successful European centre left parties such as
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Mar 17, 2017 14:30
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The SPD have increased their vote share from their lowest result in the history of the party since WWII, to the second lowest result in their history of the party since WWII. Truly a result to be respected and feared.
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Mar 17, 2017 15:16
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Neurolimal posted:I've been out of the loop on UK politics due to american buffoonery, are blairites still trying to sabotage corbyn and has he won any more emergency party leadership elections by a landslide Yes but more subtly, no
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Mar 17, 2017 22:20
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"And at the bottom of the supervolcano...is Hitler's lair!" e:f,b
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Mar 27, 2017 13:54
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TinTower posted:Alexander "I just broke the Geneva Convention" Blackman, also known as Marine A, sentenced to seven years for manslaughter due to diminished responsibility. Because he had served three and a half years for the murder conviction already, he's due to be released within weeks due to good behaviour. Marine A has suffered enough you guys!!! He's the real victim!!! Lord of the Llamas posted:Fine I guess, but it doesn't matter does it? Pretty sure identity politics is still around MikeCrotch fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 12:21
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I eat curries on the reg and now my skin has transformed from ghostly pale to the colour of subcontinental mud. Now I can't get a house and have been forced to sleep underneath the bins at the local co-op. Don't let it happen to your kids!
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Mar 28, 2017 13:04
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Putting the more abstract discussion about stress/mental health aside for a moment I just don't understand how anyone who has read the Marine A transcripts could conclude that he wasn't in control of his actions and well aware of what he was doing. Why do you love the Taliban more than ARE BRAVE BOYS eh
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Mar 28, 2017 13:08
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Regarde Aduck posted:Both sides of this "debate" are fuckshits. Sometimes I get Flaps, Breath Ray, Jbrereton and hakimashou all posting on the same page and it's like the CIA have gone through and just redacted half the thread. Well, on my browser at least 
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Mar 28, 2017 17:38
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Disgusting Coward posted:an unironic "lol u r on iggy" in 2017. Its the difference between the thread being complete garbage and mostly garbage so
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Mar 28, 2017 18:09
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Jose posted:Is the daily mail picking up new readers or is its readership going to vanish when boomers finally die? The Daily Mail is losing readers, just not as fast as any of the other papers. Papers are definitely on the way out, which is why journalism has become so screeching partisan and shoddy of late, because there's no money to pay for quality work and papers are doubling down on whatever their perceived viewpoint is to hang onto the voters they have left. It's why it's so frustrating that the the British political system pays so much heed to the whims of the newspapers, since they represent an ever diminishing and extreme section of society.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:51
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To be fair Britain has always been pretty conservative and authoritarian. The brief bouts with leftism are the exception, not the norm unfortunately.
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Mar 29, 2017 10:08
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European army?! Is all the guff about Brexit and laughing at the British blinding people to the fact that the EU as an instituiton is waaaaaay more fragile than people would like to admit?
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Mar 29, 2017 12:55
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Jippa posted:In non brexit news, big Ken is chatting about nazis again. It's probably bigger news to report when he stops mentioning Hitler at this point
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Mar 30, 2017 14:27
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It's almost as if Corbyn has had bad experiences of people within the Shadow Cabinet leaking poo poo to the press or directly contradicting his press releases or something nah that can't be it
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Mar 31, 2017 11:21
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