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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Grumpy schoolteacher Corbyn can be pretty entertaining.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/842033442434998272

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Don't forget owning his own cognac locker in a millionaire's club.

An eelskin-lined millionaire's club.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Baron Corbyn posted:

This is far from the worst poll we've seen since May took over. What warrants the "holy gently caress"? UKIP collapsing within reach of the Greens?

That does seem somewhat newsworthy. They managed 12% in 2015, after all. It's kind of impressive how fast the Tories have been absorbing them.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pochoclo posted:

Resurrect Cromwell IMO but this time make sure he's atheist

Wouldn't you just end up with Richard Dawkins with a knack for seventeenth-century military tactics?

And since everyone's asking 'why aren't Labour speaking out about this?', here's McDonnell's column in the Mirror about the Budget and all the surrounding Tory bullshit.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

LemonDrizzle posted:

You don't have to attack the policy to attack the government; it would be pretty easy to go after the government for being too weak to stand up to even the nuttiest of their own backbenchers (and use that as an excuse to open up the Things The Monday Clubbers Actually Believe And Want folder...).

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/842320280324321280

https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/842075154511474689

https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/842025684591628288

https://twitter.com/labourpress/status/841991934260445185

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/842018162623295488

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/841591360885010432

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/841223066277556225

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/840206630599962625

https://twitter.com/gwynnemp/status/839905890996215808

https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellmp/status/839875954637877248

https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellmp/status/839522550493368321

Yes, I know these are all tweets, but most of them link to articles, speeches, or adverts by Labour. They are talking about this in Parliament and in the media. There is no deliberate silence, only a persistent myth of one.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Oh, hey, a nice, feelgood news article from the Commons. :3:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

This is the year 2020. The place is the Hebrides Terrace Seamount - the top of an underwater mountain, a complex beneath the sea. Eighteen thousand, eight hundred and twenty four men, women and children live here, each of them a unionist pioneer. For this is our last frontier - a hostile environment which may hold the key to tomorrow. Each day, these social democrats meet new challenges as they build their city beneath the sea... This is Scotlab 2020.

Someone's been reading a little too much of the climate change thread.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Speaking of Labour, if any goons feel their terrible political ideas need a national platform, the National Policy Forum consultation for this year is up and running.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Capitalism is probably to blame, if you peel back all the layers.

You don't even have to peel back that many.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
These days, that's probably just a PREVENT honeypot.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Quoting myself on how apocalyptic a snap GE would be for Labour:

Darth Walrus posted:

Labour is in a peculiar situation right now. It's rich as hell, and also broke as hell. See, it comes down to the division between national and local. The central party is in a better situation than it's been in in years, which means that it's a net benefit rather than a net drain for the local parties. The problem is that there's a lot of local parties, and local membership fees plus central party stipends only make up a small part of their finances. The rest is from fundraising campaigns, which are the fastest way to regenerate your funds after a period of heavy expenditure. Local parties have been through a period of extremely heavy expenditure. The general election, first leadership campaign, local government election campaign, and EU referendum campaign completely exhausted their coffers - for instance, it was a considerable surprise that the Labour candidate for Avon and Somerset PCC managed as close a second place as he did, because thanks to the campaigns for the referendum and the other local government posts, he ran with literally zero campaign budget. The plan was to go back into some heavy-duty fundraising once the dust settled from Brexit, and start reaching out to the new arrivals from the leadership election, getting them used to the attending meetings and learning the inner workings of the party.

Then the morons in the PLP launched their coup and - this is the important bit - shut down all CLP activity for the next three months, paralysing them as their chances to secure money and members trickled away into the ether. It was a tremendous blow, and one they're still trying to recover from. It also means that if a snap election happens, Labour will be at an enormous financial and organisational disadvantage - you need tens of thousands of pounds to run a serious general election campaign in your constituency, and our CLP's budget is barely over a thousand, and it's still only just starting to spin up its member induction campaign.

Source: a chat with the CLP treasurer at our last local meeting. Seriously, truly attending some. The local officers have had it up to here with the PLP's poo poo.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Fangz posted:

So what's Corbyn's position on care for the elderly? How come he's lost so many older voters?

He wants to nationalise underperforming private care homes. Give care for the elderly a more solid floor.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

and i must meme posted:

Why is May so popular?

I just don't get it

This qualitative study may help.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jose posted:

why are you banned from the black people subforum?

No idea. Maybe I cluelessly said some bad poo poo, maybe they're randomly throwing in posters as part of the 'sundown town' experience they're simulating as part of the current forum game.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

jBrereton posted:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/844103178501214209

I feel like the nuance of this will be appreciated by the voters of this country.

You mean the same thing that every other major political figure, including Theresa May, has been saying?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pochoclo posted:

Move all Tories, Blue Labour MPs, the PM, the ministers, and all royalty to the bottom of the Mariana Trench IMO

gently caress wait that's the plot to Bioshock I guess

Wouldn't that just end with them pouring out of the ocean in a gibbering, mutated horde and stealing all our missile subs?

After Yewtree, I'm not optimistic enough to expect the 'mass child rescue' ending.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pesmerga posted:

It's the game where you fuse new demons by guillotining them, have a talking cat, and has an awesome jazz soundtrack :3:

And then gently caress your teacher.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

jabby posted:

One thing I've noticed is that after this terrorist attack the 'keep calm and carry on, we are British, stiff upper lip old chaps' narrative has been particularly strong. Stronger in my opinion than the 'gently caress ISIS, close the borders, bomb them back to the stone age' jingoism that is the other typical response.

I'm not really sure how I feel about it. On the one hand a peaceful response is clearly better than a war-like one, but on the other it doesn't leave us any closer to a debate about the causes of terrorism and why people might end up hating this country (and it's government) enough they're willing to kill/die over it. Almost like some of the Jo Cox murder 'a thing happened, please do not think too deeply about why' has seeped in. Like we've moved on from whipping up fear and now it's time to engender a sense of complacency to make terrorist attacks the new normal.

Anyone else think there's been a bit of a shift in tone, or is it just me?

Part of the problem is the nature of the attack. It's basically impossible to physically prevent the entire population of Great Britain from driving into crowds and stabbing people. There's no meaningful crackdown that can stop this sort of thing - the issue is entirely cultural, a social problem that compels people to spread terror and death, and we're not even all that sure what, exactly, that problem is - Thomas Mair was a powerful counterargument against the 'it's them inferior Musselmen' angle, thanks to committing a crime too major to be totally downplayed and forgotten, and too obviously political to be totally decontextualised. The public's been getting increasingly tired of invasive and questionably-useful antiterrorism measures, and this seems like it might have pushed a bunch of folks over the edge.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jedit posted:

I can't recall if it was here or El Reg that I saw someone say Amber Rudd just outlawed long division.

Mind explaining this one to a layman?

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Lol.

https://twitter.com/leohickman/status/846634268973518848

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