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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/836731456995135489

# ¿ Mar 1, 2017 01:42

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 12:03

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pochoclo posted:

Not much, people only earn that much through capital gains

There are any number of people who get paid over �1m/year without relying on capital gains - most (all?) Premiership footballers, for a start.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 01:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Jose posted:

lol at snapchat i'm sure its going to end well

having actual business models and profits is pass� these days don't you know?

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 10:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

May says "come and 'ave a go if ya think yer 'ard enough" to Sturgeon: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/03/theresa-may-lays-down-independence-vote-challenge-to-sturgeon

quote:

Theresa May has signalled a tougher line on Scottish demands for greater devolution after Brexit, laying down a clear challenge to Nicola Sturgeon to call another independence referendum.
The prime minister told the Scottish Conservative party she would fight against any further decentralisation of power which meant the UK became �a looser and weaker union�.
�We cannot allow our United Kingdom to drift apart,� she said.
In a marked escalation of her attacks on the first minister�s demand for greater autonomy for the Scottish parliament after Brexit, May said there would be a strict limit to any extra powers and spending.
�We must avoid any unintended consequences for the coherence and integrity of a devolved United Kingdom as a result of our leaving the EU,� May told the Scottish Tory conference in Glasgow on Friday.
The prime minister�s stance will be read by Sturgeon and the Scottish National party as an open challenge to call the threatened second referendum on independence, suggesting the Tories are confident they can win.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 14:37

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

The Donut posted:

Would anybody like me to post a rant I've written about the Prison Service? (I work in the Prison Service and it might go some way to explain why staff have been on strike in the past and why future strikes/voluntarily withdrawing labour are probably inevitable unless Liz Truss/Conservatives get their poo poo together).

Yes!
Also explain what happens if/when the prison staff go on strike - do the army/police get called in to mind the prisoners, or is it something closer to work-to-rule?

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 17:27

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/02/home-ownership-in-england-at-a-30-year-low-official-figures-show

quote:

Home ownership in England has fallen to its lowest level for 30 years, while the number of people privately renting is now higher than in the early 1960s, according to official figures.
Government data reveals that the private rented sector has doubled in size since 2004, with almost half of all people in England aged 25 to 34 paying a private landlord for their accommodation.
...
The latest English Housing Survey, produced by the Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG), found that of the estimated 22.8m households in England, 14.3m � or 62.9% � were owner-occupiers in 2015-16.
It stated that owner-occupation rates �remain unchanged for the third year in a row� � but Labour and others were quick to seize on an accompanying table, which showed that the rate had slipped from 63.6% the previous year. This is down from a peak of 70.9% in 2003 and is the lowest figure since 1985, when it was 62.4%.
By contrast, the private rented sector has ballooned in size and now accounted for just over 4.5m households � double the 2.3m in 2004. The new figure represents 20% of the total, whereas in 2002 it was 10%.
Separate government data shows there were 4.377m private rented households in England in 1961.
The English Housing Survey said that, while younger people had always been over-represented in the private rented sector, over the past decade the increase �has been particularly pronounced�. In 2005-06, 24% of those aged 25-34 were privately renting. This figure has now leapt to 46%.
Over the same period, the percentage of those in this age group buying a home with a mortgage plummeted, from 53% to 35%.
...
It also emerged that levels of overcrowding as measured by the so-called �bedroom standard� have increased in the social rented sector. At the same time, the proportion of homes judged to be �under-occupied� that were owned by the person living there had risen from 39% (5.3m households) in 1995-96 to 52% (7.4m households) now.
The report also provided fresh evidence that, for those who can afford to buy, the traditional 25-year mortgage may be on the way out. It found that almost all first-time buyers had taken out a repayment mortgage, and that 40% had signed up for a home loan lasting 30 years or more. The average age of a first-time buyer now is 32, up from 31 in 2005-06.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 17:53

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

learnincurve posted:

I'm old enough to remember when the councils and stations had to remove the bins everywhere...

As is everyone in their early thirties or beyond. Coincidentally, this is also the group that votes. This may have some electoral relevance if some underhanded swine were to spend the last few weeks of a general election campaign running non-stop footage and images of the aftermath of Omagh and Warrington overlaid with quotes from certain senior political figures.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 09:36

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Looks like the wheels have been slowly grinding away on the Tories' 2015 campaign financing shenanigasn:

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/837966724792205312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 15:16

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jabby posted:

Today tens of thousands of people marched in London against austerity and were addressed by the shadow Chancellor and leader of the opposition. Online at least, it didn't qualify as news.

The march is on the front pages of the Guardian, Times, Beeb, Mirror, and Indy right now. Might be an idea to do a few seconds of background research before breathlessly copy-pasting the Canary's take on the situation.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 21:02

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Labour selectorate polling:

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/838335150744272896

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/838337271820664834

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/838339671839096836

# ¿ Mar 5, 2017 12:16

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/838395128511410179

# ¿ Mar 5, 2017 19:19

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Unforced Corbyn error #456741235: in which our hero makes his tax return public to try and grandstand about his probity, only to reveal that he's hosed it up for the second year running and forgotten to declare �37k of income

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39175570

quote:

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has published his tax return as part of a call for transparency from politicians.
But the return appears to omit around �37,000 he was entitled to as leader of the opposition.
The figures showed that Mr Corbyn earned a total of �114,342 in salary and pension payments.
The publication came as Chancellor Phillip Hammond declined a challenge to publish his own taxes, calling it "demonstration politics".
'Public trust'
The return details Mr Corbyn's earnings of �77,019 - mostly from his MP's salary of �74,000 - along with a pension of �36,045, �1,200 from self-employment and �78 in interest.
He paid income tax of �35,298 for the year 2015-16, after becoming Labour leader in September 2015.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2017 23:39

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

i agree with the stacey lady and suggest precautionary sterilization and incarceration of anime fans as a provisional protective measure

also in not so bad news: https://www.ft.com/content/2bc62cb8-004f-11e7-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

quote:

Carbon emissions in the UK have fallen to levels barely seen since the latter days of Queen Victoria after a collapse in the use of coal, new figures show.
Consumption of coal sank by a record 52 per cent in 2016 from the previous year as use of the fuel was pummelled by cheaper gas, higher domestic carbon prices, the spread of renewables and other environmental policies.
Coal has been a bedrock of UK power supply for more than 150 years and accounted for 23 per cent of the electricity mix as recently as two years ago.
But its share slid to just 9 per cent last year when it is estimated to have generated less electricity than wind farms for the first time.
Coal�s death spiral has come faster than expected. In November 2015, ministers announced plans to phase out coal power by 2025, and the UK may be closer to reaching its targets to cut climate-warming carbon pollution than previously thought.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 18:51

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

serious gaylord posted:

Beer and cigarettes going to get a big hike in duty tomorrow by the sounds of it. And national insurance contributions going up. Cant wait to see the damage.

that can't be happening everyone said the "punishment budget" was a project fear thing and there would be no need to raise revenue as a consequence of brexit

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 23:40

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/838013915057418241

# ¿ Mar 7, 2017 09:25

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

JFairfax posted:

One of the things the Tories are great at doing is rallying around their leader.

As demonstrated by the experiences of Thatcher, Major, and IDS.

# ¿ Mar 7, 2017 19:47

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

is everyone excited for definitely-not-punishment-budget day? got your budget-watching glasses and little union jack flags ready to wave on cue?

also, lol

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/839381593630330880

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Mar 8, 2017

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 09:00

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/839450026254413824

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 13:18

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/839468241118461952

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 14:31

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

there is a whole other subforum for discussing your animated drawings to replace women

Pochoclo posted:

This budget is so hilarious and sad. "It was unfair that permanent employees were paying more NI than the self-employed"

You don't say... maybe... just maybe... it's unfair that the poor pay more than the rich??? Oh wait, no, wouldn't do to anger the donors, nevermind.

The NI changes are actually progressive - they reduce the burden on self-employed workers earning <�50k while increasing it on those earning more. Since they also do bring different employment types closer to parity in terms of taxation, I'm really not seeing any good reason to object to them. Like, yes, it sucks if you were self-employed and are losing some of your favourable tax treatment but you're still getting a better deal than regular employees, so...

Pissflaps posted:

Why is that a shafting for Wales isn't it slightly more per head than Scotland?

the wales figure is the only one not followed by the letter "m"

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 15:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Fangz posted:

Toryprojections.png

The OBR staff are politically neutral and have produced forecasts that were awkward for Tory chancellors in the past. The pre-2010 forecasts in that chart would have been based on Gordon Brown's spending plans; the revisions after Gideon took over and went for full-on austerity rather than stimulus are perfectly reasonable.

e: more OBR stuff

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/839504511592984576

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/839504795786412034

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 8, 2017

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 16:50

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

namesake posted:

According to the BBC these Class 4 contributions which are being increased only go up to �43,000. Anything you earn above that is taxed at a flat 2%. Which is bullshit.

Abolishing the Class 2 contributions helps out the poorer self employed but the set up of Class 4 is dreadful. I know NICs all have this weird cap but it's so loving irritating and pointless; is there really any value to not have it operate closer to normal taxation?

It probably should be rolled into income tax but it'd be politically awkward because there are a lot of misconceptions about what NI is and pays for, plus the bad optics of apparently increasing most people's marginal rates of income tax by 12%.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 17:51

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/839528123284733955

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 18:45

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

more forecasts for the forecast throne

https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/839522994129088512

# ¿ Mar 8, 2017 19:10

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/839993872944136192
Britain remains well on track to becoming a one party state.

don't worry its just her honeymoon period the country will come round to corbyn soon

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 09:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

alright, it's time to own up - who gave jfairfax the michael gove skinsuit?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 12:30

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/Law_and_policy/status/840227323907567616

this is rather good, especially since hopkins (well, the mail) will need to pay for her own lawyers on top of that

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 17:23

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115

quote:

BT has bowed to demands by the telecoms regulator Ofcom to legally separate Openreach, which runs the UK's broadband infrastructure.
Ofcom said that Openreach will become a distinct company with its own staff, management and strategy "to serve all of its customers equally".
It must consult with customers such as Sky and TalkTalk on major investments.
Ofcom boss Sharon White told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "we can now expect better service from Openreach".
Openreach controls the fibre connections, ducts and pipes behind the UK's broadband infrastructure and sells access to BT's rivals, such as TalkTalk and Sky.
The regulator had threatened to force BT to legally separate Openreach.
However, Ofcom said on Friday that the company had agreed to all of the changes needed to address its competition concerns.
"As a result, Ofcom will no longer need to impose these changes through regulation. The reforms have been designed to begin this year."

Will be interested to see how this affects the broadband offers I receive, if at all.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 18:50

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jabby posted:

Why would the mail pay to defend her personally? Or do you mean in the general sense that they pay her salary?

They won't - i brainfarted and forgot that she made the comments on twitter rather than in her mail column. Got mixed up with the last time she got sued, I guess.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 18:53

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Trumpenproletariat posted:

Tristram Hunt is gone?!

If only Jeremy could force all Labour MPs to step down and then stand in primaries before having new by elections for all of the seats to get a loyal, actually socialist party.

The need to actually win the resulting byelections notwithstanding, this strategy has a fatal flaw in that it requires jeremy to actually bother to attend the candidate selection committee meetings. Unfortunately, he likes his time off in lieu and so never quite seems to make it. Sad!

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 20:24

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pistol_Pete posted:

With that said, what do you think people (i.e. me) can do to try and mitigate the damage to themselves? Save as much as possible? Spend like there's no tomorrow? Dig a bomb shelter? I mean, I'm thinking of buying a new place but if the economy's going to go to poo poo, I might as well stick where I am. Any opinions?

On a personal level, I think the only thing you can do is to make sure your financial position is robust and that you have exit options if you need them. I'd certainly be wary of making a house purchase at this point.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Mar 11, 2017

# ¿ Mar 11, 2017 18:34

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Lord_Adonis posted:

Can anyone here advise me on leaving the UK and finding work in another country... I have about ten years experience as a domestic and commercial electrician.

You could consider emigrating to Oz - electricians are highly prioritised under their visa/immigration system, so you should be able to move and find work fairly easily:

http://www.visabureau.com/australia/anzsco/jobs/electricians-in-australia.aspx

quote:

If your profession is Electrician (General) in accordance with the Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations (ANZSCO) 3411-11 then you are currently in demand by employers in Australia.

This occupation is listed on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) and the Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List (CSOL).

As the occupation features on both lists as an occupation in demand in Australia, it is possible to apply for any of the visas in the General Skilled Migration (GSM) Program.

Visas in this category include the Skilled Independent 189, the Skilled Nominated 190, the Skilled Regional Nominated 489 or the Skilled Regional Sponsored 489 visas. In addition there is also the opportunity of applying for a number of employer sponsored visas if you have a firm offer of employment.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2017 09:08

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

If economic instability and uncertainty are your main concerns, Australia's a solid choice and Scotland is the single worst place to be looking in the developed world - on top of Brexit-related uncertainty, you've got uncertainty over the occurrence, timing, and outcome of a second indyref, then uncertainty over the terms of subsequent EU accession, and then uncertainty over the trading relationship with the UK.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2017 10:48

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Michael Green's got his knives out:

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/840871400260919296

Nick Timothy is now May's chief of staff, so this could get interesting.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2017 14:20

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I think that's not actually a TV screen but something they blue-screen stuff onto so he probably can't actually see it.

Pretty sure it's a TV screen - you can see a reflection of it on the glossy desk they're sitting in front of.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2017 11:12

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

JFairfax posted:

because no-one gives that much of a poo poo, not even the catalans, they only got a 42% turnout for their last referendum.

This is a really, really dumb interpretation of that figure. The last referendum had no legal standing and was not authorised by the Spanish government, so it was just a grandstanding exercise for the separatists. Unionist voters stayed at home because they regarded it as illegitimate, which is why Yes won overwhelmingly. You can't use the turnout as any indicator of the strength of feeling about the issue.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2017 13:24

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

JFairfax posted:

Are you saying that if the turnout would have been higher that No would have won?

No, I said that you can't judge strength of feeling from the turnout and that if voters on one side of the debate hadn't boycotted the unofficial referendum, the other side wouldn't have picked up 80% of the vote. I made no prediction about which side would win an official referendum.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2017 13:48

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

The only reason that "ukip floaters" were even a concern is because the Tories presumed a hung parliament and held a referendum for the sake of internal party discipline (which they had no reason to after the LDs got utterly crushed).

Seems like the causality is the other way around - on Europe, Cameron's position was far weaker with a small majority than it was in the coalition because the bastards have already proven that they are willing and able to destroy or cripple weak Tory governments over Europe. During the coalition he could use Lib Dem votes to silence the brexiteers; without cover from the Lib Dems, there's every chance the nutters would've brought him down if he hadn't given them a referendum.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 00:28

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

Nah there's no way they'd risk it for a biscuit on losing power to Labour by splitting the party during its period in government.

I don't think you can credibly argue "they wouldn't do it" when they did it to the last majority Tory government.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 00:42

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 12:03

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

In 1992 Labour's position looked utterly terminal. Like as bad or maybe even worse than right now.

Like remember that Major won the most votes of anyone, ever, thusfar in UK politics 13 years into a Tory government that had been through poll tax, various corruption scandals and generally screwing the working class for over a decade with apparent electoral impunity. Why not have some poisonous and stupid debate on Europe, who's going to stop you?

Who the hell would be stopping them in an alternative reality where Cameron hadn't included a referendum commitment in the 2015 manifesto? Corbyn and McDonnell?

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 01:06

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