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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

Like they dodged a bullet in a big way in 2015 and the party should have known it...

We're not talking about what the party as a whole should or should not have known or done, we're talking about what the no-fucks-given turbonutters like Bill Cash and Peter Bone would've done.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 01:33

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LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pesmerga posted:

Verhfostadt can say whatever he wants, because he has no power to do any of it.

This kind of summarizes Verhofstadt's entire career in European politics to date.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 12:11

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pissflaps posted:

I don't know who SWL is but I'm not impressed with this analysis as he's out of date or simply wrong on several issues.

Professor of macroeconomics at Oxford, and was strongly critical of the original Yes campaign for its dishonesty over economic issues.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 13:58

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

Uh the US gets about twice as much in terms of exports and about a third more in overall trade as France (http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/), which you may recall is just down the chunnel.

Gravity models state that both economic size and geographical distance are important in determining the volume of trade between two countries.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 14:40

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/841704762919780352

itshappening.gif ?

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 18:58

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

the election expenses investigations are making things a little backstabby at conservative hq:

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/841712936062132224

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 20:02

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

polls for the poll throne

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/841778219338612736

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/841779798133334016

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 23:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

goddamnedtwisto posted:

the Paula Jones/Lewinsky case, which was something but really not anything that hasn't happened with basically anyone who's been in the White House....

Uh... what? Which other recent president has been caught doing anything similar? I guess JFK was notoriously a bit of a rake and LBJ was... LBJ, but Obama, Dubya, and HW were all pretty straight-laced, Reagan was probably too senile and old to function anyway, and I've never heard anything about Carter or Ford doing anything untoward.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Mar 15, 2017

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 08:33

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/841943945370300416

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/841944414087966721

Oh. That's nice. We don't know how bad it'd be (or aren't willing to find out), but it definitely won't be as bad as those nasty remoaners are saying, honest.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 10:42

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

rigorous feels-based economic planning and analysis rooted in a firm foundation of baseless optimism. how can we possibly lose?

e:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/841960986374479873

i wonder if he's, e.g., spoken to the irish government about this

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 11:37

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pochoclo posted:

"Agricultural self-sufficiency" sounds good until you realise you're going to have to eat a lot of parsnips and stuff like that.

I'm not super keen on parsnips but I like them a whole lot better than starvation.

edit because holy poo poo this man is actually in charge of the biggest upheaval of this country's international relations and trading position since ww2:

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/841960790206869504

oh well that's ok we just have to want things hard enough and they become real silly me how did i forget that

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Mar 15, 2017

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 11:52

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/841980920630517761

i really should do some work at some point today

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 12:57

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

WeAreTheRomans posted:

It's somewhat surreal reading several pages of "Britain will be fine because of our bountiful parsnip harvest". I feel like maybe you guys should be out in the streets rioting.

how about if instead i sit here snacking on raisins and contemplating a future in which my delicious imported dried grapes are replaced with flavourful all-british Turnip Bites

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 13:47

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

perhaps you could break this cycle by putting its key element out to pasture

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 14:02

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Oh dear me posted:

Under FPTP governments oscillate between two main parties (whose identity may change once a century or so). By 1997 the Tories were going to lose to anyone. For similar reasons, if Labour had won in 2005 it is unlikely they'd have won in 2010.

Sorry, but this just doesn't hold water at all. Do you really believe that, for example, if the Tories in 2003 had stuck with IDS and held their course without listening to May's warnings about their public perception and grudgingly embracing Cameron's makeover, they'd have been able to come out on top in 2010?

also...

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/842054948892360708

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/842055112050761729

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/842055162285965312

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 18:10

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Lord of the Llamas posted:

So the Dutch Labour party are going to lose like 75% of their seats. Probably because they were too left wing. Nothing to do with them having been in coalition with the Dutch Conservatives.

And the clear demand for further left politics is demonstrated by the fact that of the 29 seats lost by PvdA, GL picked up 12 and SP picked up... -1.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 22:26

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Lord of the Llamas posted:

But as far as I can tell none of the left wing parties actually lost seats. So yes, it looks like bland pragmatic centrism was the loser of the night.

That's a really weird reading of a result that saw the overall left vote fall and is likely to produce a bland centre-right/liberal government with a VVD-CDA-D66 (read: traditional right, soft right/christian democrat, centrist liberal) core.

I mean, you're saying that the centre-left collapsed but it's cool because one fragmentary left party went from around 3% to around 11%.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 15, 2017

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 22:55

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Cerebral Bore posted:

Neoliberal Third Way parties aren't actually on the left and are also the poster children for a failed ideology, hth.

It's not about the parties, it's about the voters. If you want your preferred ~~true left alternative~~ to exercise power, you've kind of got to persuade most of the people who vote(d) for those dastardly third way parties to come over. It appears that instead of migrating to the left, something like half of the former PvdA voters went to the right or liberal centre instead.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 23:12

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jabby posted:

What's your point?

Simple: a left-wing party or coalition that cannot command the loyalty of those voters will never govern.

winegums posted:

Why is the sum of these numbers not 0?

Minor parties such as DENK (aka the "Erdogan did nothing wrong" party) picked up a few seats.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2017 23:45

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

The electoral commission has fined the Tories �70k over the election expenses scandal and forwarded its findings to the Met for criminal investigation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39289195

quote:

The Conservative Party has been fined �70,000 by the Electoral Commission for breaking election expense rules.
The commission's report highlights "numerous failures" in reporting spending on three by-elections in 2014 and the 2015 General Election.
These included missing payments of �104,000 - and �118,000 that was either not reported or incorrectly reported.
The Conservatives said they had accepted last March they had made "an administrative error".
A spokesman added that Labour and the Lib Dems had also been fined and "there needs to be a review of how the Electoral Commission's processes and requirements could be clarified or improved".
The Electoral Commission's chief executive Claire Bassett told BBC Radio 5 live the investigation had taken much longer than necessary because of "some difficulties" in getting information from the Conservative Party.

https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/842289247348510720

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Mar 16, 2017

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 09:26

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Getting a good ergonomic chair made a world of difference for me in terms of flexibility and general limberness after spending 8 hours+ per day sitting in front of a pair of screens.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 12:53

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

It's a bad chair either way. Get (your boss to buy you) an Aeron or something of similar quality.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 14:02

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/842372281347264512

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 14:55

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

MikeCrotch posted:

Obviously he hasn't thought very hard about why Labour might not want to go whole hog on attacking Phillip Hammond on the subject of progressive tax increases...

You don't have to attack the policy to attack the government; it would be pretty easy to go after the government for being too weak to stand up to even the nuttiest of their own backbenchers (and use that as an excuse to open up the Things The Monday Clubbers Actually Believe And Want folder...).

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 16:29

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

mfcrocker posted:

gently caress knows, depends if they can get the Greens on board. Personally I don't reckon they'll be able to get one together, but if it does it'd be pretty centrist: VVD are centre-right, CD/D66 centrist, they could add CU (centrist) but that only gives them a majority of 1. More likely they'll have to court Labour (centre-left) or Greens/Socialists (both left) for a majority of 5 or 10.

The most likely outcome by far is VVD-CDA-D66 + filler, which means a centre-right government. VVD is on the right, CDA are christian democrats (so also on the right), and D66 are centrists. That trio gets 71 of the 76 seats needed for a majority, so whoever makes up the filler isn't going to have a whole lot of say over the government's direction.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 17:33

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

jBrereton posted:

when they're right, they're right.

and when they're wrong, they're really really wrong

c.f. "you can't beat scottish football for drama"

# ¿ Mar 17, 2017 01:39

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

ThomasPaine posted:

[What does he have against the NHS? ] Hates taxes. Hates them. Will not pay a penny more. Actually suggested moving to a French model...

French healthcare is universal but has extensive private sector involvement, and is supplied via health insurance - it's not "free" in the way the NHS is.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2017 12:29

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Being MP for Tatton must be the easiest job in the world if you can do it at the same time as editing a widely read newspaper and being a senior adviser to a major financial firm.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2017 13:21

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pochoclo posted:

Is it some kind of performance she's giving?

Yes, she's a comedy character.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2017 13:25

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/842858097840459777

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/842854778673750018

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 01:15

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

kingturnip posted:

Is anyone still aware that Nick Clegg exists and is a regular contributor to the Evening Standard?

Writing a column is something you could do in a few hours - it's not totally unreasonable for someone to have that as a second job. Editing a large newspaper is something that ought to take up most of a working week.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 13:24

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Relying on bombers as your sole nuclear deterrent is a really really really bad idea. They have a couple of very big problems: they require infrastructure like runways and airports to launch (guess what your enemy would be aiming to destroy first in a hypothetical nuclear first strike!), and they're fat, slow, and comparatively easy to shoot down before they reach their target. Submarine-launched ballistic missiles are launched from things that are effectively invisible when deployed (and so can't be destroyed by an enemy's first strike), and are also near-impossible to shoot down with modern technology - it turns out that it's quite hard to even keep track of lumps of metal travelling through space at 7 km/s, never mind hitting them with anything.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 16:13

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843160705943715844

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843164332926164992

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 23:59

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pissflaps posted:

A nuanced one wide on the left wing that only becomes clear once my fans analyse my performance two hours after the match.

the jozy altidore of left wingers

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 12:22

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

if you're going to post results from that yougov poll you shouldn't miss out this one

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 13:32

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Neither the Cabinet Office nor the Department for Exiting the EU knows how many negotiators are available to the government for the talks on leaving the EU, or what qualifications those unknown negotiators do or do not have:

I am enconfidencefied!

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 21:23

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

goddamnedtwisto posted:

For that matter it's just as terrible how poorly Lansbury did with both - he'd have been in my top three easily, but you can at least excuse that because he was never PM.

Really? I mean, yes, the poplar rebellion was very good but it's kind of outweighed by the insanity of his pacifism.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 23:37

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

goddamnedtwisto posted:

In a country less than 20 years from World War I unilateralism wasn't just sane, it was wildly popular

As shown by recent events, popular is not the same thing as sane. I mean, the fact that a massive rearmament program was necessary even without disarming completely kind of demonstrates how utterly suicidal it would've been for the country to implement his full unilateralism.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 00:03

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Being bracketed by Churchill hasn't helped his memorability but even beyond his concrete, visible achievements (and those cannot possibly overstated) perhaps the most relevant thing about him for today's climate was that he did all of that while also fighting his own colleagues the entire way.

you can't say bad things about nye bevan 'ere mate

e: also the wjec gcse history syllabus circa the mid-nineties included a module on british and welsh history spanning the period from the depression to the end of attlee's ministry

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Mar 20, 2017

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 00:58

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 03:01

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

kustomkarkommando posted:

I think its a faction within a faction, its the folks that opposed glasmans changes to the groups constitution. They had their own conference and elected their own steering committee and everything

Lansman, not Glasman - the latter is the guy behind Blue Labour, and I can't imagine he has a whole lot of time for Momentum or its supporters.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 15:05

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