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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

The briefings begin

quote:

Senior DUP sources told the Belfast Telegraph that Mrs Foster should reconsider her decision and not put her personal pride before what was best for "the party and the people of Northern Ireland".

The sources said they believed that Sinn Fein wouldn't back down from its position of not forming a government with the DUP if Mrs Foster was nominated as First Minister before the inquiry into the 'cash for ash' scandal issued at least an initial report.

One DUP figure proposed a compromise move for Mrs Foster whereby she would accept another ministry in the new Executive, with the agreement that she would step up and become First Minister after the inquiry.

"I think that is an entirely reasonable compromise which doesn't involve Arlene being humiliated," the source said.

"It wasn't a good election for us, we can't ignore that.

"But this is a possible solution that I think Sinn Fein would go for and it would enable Arlene to regain lost ground."

Another high-ranking DUP source said that around a third of MLAs felt "angry and let down" by their leader.

But he said that Mrs Foster had strong support from her deputy, Nigel Dodds, and from senior party advisers.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...s-35504549.html

Perhaps a sign of cracks in the DUP forming, though with Dodds backing Foster remains untouchable

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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Spangly A posted:

it's absolutely fascinating that she doesn't think she needs to step down

Stepping down now is admitting defeat and succumbing to SF demands, the DUP are bullish that nationalism will not select the leader of Unionism - some kind of temporary fiddle where Foster remains leader but Simon Hamilton becomes first minister pending the conclusion of the inquiry (at which stage he would resign letting Foster back in) seems to be emerging as an option.

Of course if Foster accepted the temporary leave of absence from her position initially advanced by SF pre election that could have been avoided, too late for that though

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012


an actual guffaw

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

MikeCrotch posted:

Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry.

Not that I'm complaining mind.

Shows you how much tolerance sections of the press have for tax rises - even when ostensibly spun as being for financing social care

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

WMain00 posted:

The FTSE went into utter freefall this morning, anyone know why?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/839781321551593472

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

CHECK POLLS

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

jabby posted:

So John McDonnell was meant to go on Question Time but thanks to a four hour train delay and full flights he can't make it.

He's been replaced by Kezia Dugdale.

gently caress's sake. Hire a helicopter John, we can afford it.

Labour princeling hires private helicopter while stranded commuters wait for train shocker

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

The private helicopter firm, previously used by rock stars and millionaire businessmen, refused to clarify if champagne was served on ice to the swish would-be chancellor

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Entropy238 posted:

Is there a UKMT thread consensus on George Galloway? Good man or bad man?

bad man

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

*writes serious article about one-nation Toryism being a dangerous Jewish intellectual tradition that seeks to undermine the one true Thatcher*

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Cerv posted:

Galloway used to have a few fans in the thread. Have they all left?

I think his defence of Assad and Assange scared off a couple of people who didn't mind him so much, the absolute gutter tactics at the last general election and obvious ego driven obsession with winning at all costs to preserve brand Galloway probably drove off any crusty left wingers who didn't mind the Assad stuff

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Breath Ray posted:

a drat good MP in a tough ward.

The people of Bradford East seem to have disagreed

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Remember when Galloway said having sex with a sleeping woman is just rude and definitely not rape

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012


The EU are clearly trying to intervene in the upcoming Cornish independence referendum. Sad!

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Trumpenproletariat posted:

Tristram Hunt is gone?!

:getin:

If only Jeremy could force all Labour MPs to step down and then stand in primaries before having new by elections for all of the seats to get a loyal, actually socialist party.

For this to work you have to win the byelections

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Paxman posted:

What is Unionist as a political leaning, other than generally wanting Northern Ireland to remain in the UK? Is there a Unionist view on whether an economic system based on people selling their labour is a good thing, or whether healthcare should be provided by the state?

Unionism in Northern Ireland has usually incorporated a kind of quasi-corporatist cross-class state paternalism that eschews class politics - untangling Unionism the concept from Unionism the political movement that drove the state for half a century is tricky

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I think the rebate was pretty unique

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Foxtrot_13 posted:

Britain doesn't have a sweet deal with the EU, we are the 2nd biggest net contributor to the EU after the Germans. Not that that is a bad thing as the only odd countries on the list of net receivers are Belgium and Luxembourg, the rest are mainly ex-Warsaw pact countries that need the sort of boost that Ireland needed to become a net contributor.

If you adjust it to net contributions per capita though the UK hovers around 7th or 8th place behind the other large economies of western European

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

Perhaps we should put that question to the public in a strictly advisory manner.

Someones been watching the Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer i see

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I don't know why people where surprised when he quit - the referendum was a rejection of a package of reforms he had staked his reputation on and he done got beat.

Standing down was the obvious response

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

spectralent posted:

I think all the stuff like "this isn't a referendum about me" and "I'm not going to quit if I lose" maybe confused some people into thinking he possibly, if you read into it a lot, wasn't going to quit if he lost.

Ah, making the mistake of believing a Tory.

Classic unforced error

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

JFairfax posted:

why would he hope there isn't?

he believes that people have a right to referenda if they want them, if the scots want it, let them have it.

Because that's the party position?

quote:

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said: “No, we are not in favour of a referendum.

The Labour leader went on: “I was asked if in Westminster we would block the holding of a referendum, I said ‘no’. If the Scottish parliament decided they wanted to have a referendum then it would be wrong for Westminster to block it.

“But just to be absolutely clear, I do not think there should be another referendum."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...6651.html%3Famp

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

The right to self-determination is balanced by the respect of the territorial integrity of the state in international law and, as per the Quebec judgement where these issues hashed out, there is no explicit international right to secession nor is there an international prohibition on it - external self-determination as a right is constrained to the decolonization context and internal self-determination (democratic representation and full legal participation in governance) is deemed a fulfilment of the general principle of self-determination of peoples outside of this context.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Private Speech posted:

AFAIK it's supposed to happen on the 15th. Obviously nobody outside the government really knows though.

I think I saw someone chattering that the SNP announcement may have tipped that timetable and they're floating towards the 27th, coincidentally the deadline for Northern Ireland to form an executive

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Can Jeremy Corbyn convince the people of Scotland to remain

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

He couldn't convince me to brush my teeth.

You should brush your teeth twice daily pissflapd

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I'm gonna go with Tories say no to referendum before brexit, maybe a supreme court challenge for the fun of it

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Well they said they wouldn't continue to vote against the government if the commons rejected the amendments a second time so it was pretty well signposted

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

mfcrocker posted:

What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat.

Are you arguing for abolishing the upper house entirely?

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Pochoclo posted:

It's funny though, I'm almost certain that if the European court had allowed employers to ban headscarves a couple days -before- the referendum, Remain would have won. I mean just look at the Mail comments and such - "finally the EU starts listening to what people want". Disgusting.

Ah but then it would be Looney EU Bans Good British Employees from wearing Crosses

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Also the ECJ ruling could be read to allow a ban on employees wearing the Poppy which would lead to some hilarious headlines

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I am not from London and voted remain - though I must admit I do eat humus and occasionally read the guardian

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I however will state I do not own a pair of sandals and kale is loving stupid

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

feedmegin posted:

I'm partial to Sabra brand myself. Sadly neither Tesco nor Waitrose carry it which are my two proper-supermarket options where I live :(

A success for BDS

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

STV best tv

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Why eat a tangerine when you can eat a good british marrow

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Implying there are significant challenges in maintaining a border in Ireland is only spreading fear that will inflame the tempers of the savage norn ironer and will lead to terrorism. Why do you support terrorism?!

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Good thing nobody delayed triggering Article 50, now the government can get down to the hard work of thinking about what they maybe might want

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Well it looks like the options will be a lovely deal or no deal and WTO standards, so that way the Tories can insist their crappy deal is still not the worst option

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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Whatever happened to forging an alliance with the Lib Dems come next election

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