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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Friend of mine lives on Cock alley....

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

OwlFancier posted:

I mean they might still be knobheads even if they're Jewish, they might just like voting for tories.

Tbh we are like other religions where you have your ultra-religious people, the people who go to a weekly service, and then you have the huge block of people who will turn up at the synagogue for major religious things twice a year if we can be bothered. Last two groups care far far more about what's happening in the UK than they do about Israel.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I'm old enough to remember when the councils and stations had to remove the bins everywhere, our high streets were littered with McDonald's styrofoam boxes and it was disgusting. There is still some weird law in a lot of places about not having bins near government buildings.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
The EU has without question stunted our agricultural sector. When quotas came in the average livestock farmer was at retirement age with very low levels of literacy, and the younger generation had very little interest at getting up at 4am in the snow. The quota are worth far far more than the land and big business pay a premium. No poo poo all the farmers sold up and buggered off to Spain. In the early days the new mega farms also wanted the land but they only wanted the minimum they could get away with for efficiency's sake, which has left us with miles and miles of land that by law cannot be farmed and is worth £fuckall. You remove the restrictions on what farmers can and cannot farm then you will end up with an explosion of small innovative businesses, probably focusing on the kind of intensive farming they have in china and japan.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Private Speech posted:

Clearly a great, enviable and sustainable model which was trampled by the EU.

Don't be a snob, literacy and intelligence are not one and the same thing. If they hadn't sold to big business then we would have seen the rise of farm managers. Quotas came in in 1994, that' a hell of a long time for an entire industry being legally not allowed to grow and covers a huge amount of technological development that hasn't happened. In that time period china has worked out how to force grow crops. We have been force growing Rhubarb since the early 1800s, that knowledge coupled with modern technology could have gone somewhere, but we are not allowed to because it wouldn't be fair on the other EU countries with piss poor land.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/04/sixth-form-education-undergo-biggest-overhaul-70-years-multi/

This is amazing, my dad was a senior civil servant in the department of employment and they recommended exactly this to John Major's govenement 22 years ago. If it's school based learning, rather than work placements coupled with a course as we have now, then it's going to save us a fortune. I am old enough to remember the whole process behind the new deal charter and can tell you what happened and what went wrong.

The new deal wiki is absolute horse poo poo of the highest order, it was John Major's government who thought up new deal and it was conceived in 1994-1996. I know this because of my hanging around in the department of employment during the school holidays and work experience in 1996 where I sat in (made tea) on a video meeting about new deal with John Major. I left home in 1997 so for the wilki to say it was conceived in 1998 is literally impossible. Yes Labour grabbed hold of it like a dog with a bone and "refined" it but it sure as poo poo wasn't their idea.

Civil service gets asked to find something to replace apprenticeships.
Civil service come up with several possibilities including new deal.
The simple concept is that you give kids the dole, plus an extra £10, (which with inflation works out at £18) and traveling expenses, they do a couple of days in college and the rest of the time they get a work placement. The employer gets given money for taking them and then they got £1000 if they passed the course.
Civil service stresses that it will not work for anyone over the age of 19, they stress it so hard it may have well have been written in blood.
Blair comes along and extends new deal to 21, then extends it again and again and again, removes traveling expenses.
It does not work for anyone over the age of 19.
Tories don't bother reforming it.
Slave class.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
She needs to go to her GP. If it's urgent then call NHS direct. If she needs to be placed in a unit or be provided with specialist care then a GP is the only person who can refer her - she will be sent out of area if yours does not have the facilities she needs,

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
The NHS has got a lot better at dealing with mental health issues, if your GP does not take you seriously go to another GP.

I can't really offer advice over the internet other than; go to GP, if the medication is not working then she needs to tell someone with her file in front of them who will be able to see if her meds need to be changed or if she needs to be referred. Get her in AA.

On a personal note, people have to want to change, if she does not want to change then you are pissing into the wind. She's your housemate, you are not her carers or her next of kin. If she won't see her GP and expects you to babysit her through this then move out.


The consequences of being sectioned is nothing compared to being non-functionional due to depression and alcohol.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
A year is too long, something's gone wrong here. Her GP must be unaware of the seriousness of her current situation, she needs to go back to her GP.

Last resort would be to call adult social services and tell them she needs a care and support assessment. I googled for a random area and they want two criteria to be filled. http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/media/1429/the-care-and-support-eligibility-criteria-regulations-2015-factsheet-230415-1.pdf

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

BabyFur Denny posted:

Look for a new apartment.

She's really not an appropriate house mate, I thought she was sitting in her own area drinking. Even with social service intervention you are going to have to deal with strangers coming in and out of your house all the time. I would call your landlord and explain the situation, if she has a legal notice of eviction then the council have to rehome her - they always have a stock of priority housing set aside for this purpose.

It sounds callous written in black and white but she's not your responsibility and you should not be the ones dealing with this. When you signed your tenancy you did not sign on to be a charity or mental health worker.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Talk to social services. If she has a medical diagnosis, no job, no way of paying the rent, no family support then social services will step in if you refer her. Adult social services don't have the same constraints as a GP, you can't walk into your housemates doctor and tell the truth of the situation but you can with social services.

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/mental-health-services-explained/Pages/mental-health-emergencies.aspx

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Sorry to break it to you nantab but learning difficulties is the correct term now. We know that learning difficulties go hand in hand with other disabilities such as ASD and Down's syndrome, and an official diagnosis of "[disability] plus learning disabilities" is confusing.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I know it's not the direction you want to go in, but you don't know what will happen after October, the person who moves in after you may very well report her to the landlord if they don't know her. Council homeless prevention teams (outside of London) are really really good these days. If you have a notice of eviction even with as much as 8 weeks on it, and you can't afford the deposit on private rented, then they can find you accommodation and refer you to your council's crisis fund team who will get you furniture. The help is out there, the problem is that people don't know it exists. I would just stop by your council's housing office and ask for information booklets and give them to your other housemates just in case.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

No it isn't, it really isn't. Whoever told you that is wrong.

Source: I am a registered learning disability nurse, trained in learning disabilities. This is my job.

My boss being wrong would not surprise me in the least. I did work with mentally ill rather than disabled adults for a long long time. Now I work with children instead, and it's been [90 days] since someone tried to stab me.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Well yes and it's not personal, everyone gets asked those questions when you fill in forms. The worst offenders are the British Ex-pats who come back to dear ol' Blighty when they get ill and are SHOCKED AND AMAZED when they get hit with a bill because they haven't been living in the UK for the last five years.

There has been a huge crackdown on this and your doctor wasn't being nasty, she wanted to make sure your wife would not be hit with a huge bill if she got ill.


My Uncle got ill in the UK and was SHOCKED AND AMAZED that he didn't qualify for NHS treatment anymore. They got health insurance and the next year his wife got dangerously ill and it would have cost them an absolute fortune.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
The lords is mostly there to stop people sneaking stuff though, and as a "are you sure"

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo"

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Why are people in this thread unable to tell the difference between xenophobia and racism?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It's really easy to sit there and say that 53.4% of the population of England are racist and just dismiss it as that. Reality is that the vast majority of people outside of the capital don't want to be in the EU, and that the vast majority of people outside of London are not in fact racist. Implying that they are and dismissing everyone outside of London's opinions as worthless makes you look like a bit of a smug tit, and is the attitude that in part lead to the Brexit vote in the first place.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It makes it harder to argue for Brexit if one of the main remain arguments was that if we voted yes then we would all wake up in the morning to economic collapse. Sugar tax will make more of a difference to the poor than the impact the yes vote had.

Leaving the EU opens us up for more trade deals. India, Pakistan, Australia, Canada, America, China and Russia have all said they would be open to negotiating trade deals with us. Short term pain for long term gain.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
@ don't lol me

It's a case of the boy who cried wolf.

I'm not saying a recession won't happen. In my opinion it will happen, but the problem is that the wealth and resources devision in this county mean that London will be hosed far far harder than the midlands and the north because we are getting pretty screwed right now anyway. Perhaps if things had been fairer in the first place then this would never have happened.

If you want an example, this new high speed railway. It's going to carve up huge amounts of countryside so that Londoners can get from London to Sheffield 15 mins quicker. The poor already can't afford the regular train fares so who exactly will be using it?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
My middle class mother lives in the whitest place on earth and is terrified that the Muslim hoards are going to invade her village. My working class husband works on a pig farm and remains unconcerned even though my mother has warned him that "you will be the first to go".

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I have never eaten hummus or avacado. I do however have an unlimited free supply of bacon.

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Private Speech posted:

My Malaysian girlfriend has been sending me messages threatening to kill herself for three days now. She grew up in the UK where we met (and she has a degree from Cambridge in a fairly in-demand field), but for various reasons (lol immigration policy) has to be in Malaysia now, and by all accounts Malaysian mental health sucks pretty hard, not that she wants to be there anyway. I'm not really able to just go see her there right now, and she's been accusing me of abuse (wrongly, she has BPD and, well, yeah, from time to time she thinks everyone in her life is abusing her, from family through friends, boyfriends, former work, uni, colleagues, etc.) so I'm not sure if she'd even want to spend time with me. I know this is more E/N but there's a couple mental health professionals on here so I thought I'd ask if anyone has any ideas on where to get help.

To tie it into politics immigration rules for non-EU-citizens are awful, even for people like her who by all accounts are quite qualified, have a long history in the UK and are relatively desirable (mental illness notwithstanding). We don't want to get married but honestly even then who knows if it would help long-term, what with Brexit and everything.

e: To clarify she's lived in the UK since early childhood up to a short time ago, and in many ways feel more at home here. Her entire time at school has been here for one. Oh and she's already made a suicide attempt in the UK a few years back, too.

This would be one for legal advice if she wanted to come back here for treatment, the problem would be if she does not qualify for NHS treatment then she probably won't qualify for private insurance as it's a pre-existing condition. Only thing I can do is give you the link to mind so you can phone them for advice and support http://mind.org.uk .

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