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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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jabby posted:Today tens of thousands of people marched in London against austerity and were addressed by the shadow Chancellor and leader of the opposition. Online at least, it didn't qualify as news. The march is a BBC news app 'too story' whereas I can't see anything about Copeland. Did you bother to check yourself?
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jabby posted:Don't lol me said it better than me. Maybe I just missed the brief period where this story was a top news item, but the fact that several very major news sites have absolutely buried it and another has it underneath yet another tedious Corbyn attack piece is enough reason to justify my 'gently caress the media' opinion. Don't lol me commented on how prominent the march story was, not whether some comment on Copeland was deemed more newsworthy. You seem to have decided that this Corbyn 'attack piece' has become big news despite it not actually being news. And the march is still a top news item right now.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:09
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Don't Lol me posted:It fits in with the whole angle of how the media does things - why does an opinion piece have more weight than something that actually happened some hours earlier, about something that happened 5 days ago? An 'opinion piece' is not the same thing as a newspaper reporting somebody's opinion.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:27
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/838151492305551360 Looks like fake news to me.
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Mar 5, 2017 09:53
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Tony blairs speech. Of course it was.
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Mar 5, 2017 12:20
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's a poll. Polls don't lie. Eat the poll you hungry piece of poo poo. Polls of labour members do. They're the idiots who elected Corbyn twice, remember? VIRGIN HEAT posted:Hi everyone, I remember this guy. Sorry for your loss.
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Mar 5, 2017 20:22
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Jeremy published his tax return again and managed to gently caress it up again well done Jeremy.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:40
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I think Jeremy is the product of some Tory project to create their perfect Labour leader.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:44
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jabby posted:Thatcher already completed this project though? Oh yeah because that thing about Tony Blair actually being a Tory and all that those things that helped people were done in the wrong way great point.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:56
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Seaside Loafer posted:Hasn't he got loving people to check his workings for fucks sake? When you make a point like this you want it really loving accurate right? You're right. You don't want to advertise your incompetent and utterly nullify the whole point of your stunt. Unless you're a Tory sleeper agent like Jeremy Corbyn literally is.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:58
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jabby posted:If you keep making the point that Tories must love Corbyn I'm going to keep reminding you that Thatcher actually loved Blair. Yeah she loved new schools and hospitals and the minimum wage all things we remember thatcher for good catch.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:58
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Namtab posted:Thatcher only regarded one of those two people as her greatest success tho I doubt she even knew who Corbyn was tbh.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:02
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Some kind of fraud I expect.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:04
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OwlFancier posted:I was wondering that because I would have thought that leader of the opposition would be a labour party salary rather than a governmental one. Why would you think this?
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Mar 6, 2017 00:16
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Nice bathroom
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Mar 6, 2017 00:52
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/LOTOcomms/status/838549340947890177 So, incompetence then.
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Mar 6, 2017 07:53
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jabby posted:Actually the money is apparently included on the page shown under pensions and benefits. Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown. Hes just taken a smaller pension than assumed on top of a 27k leadership benefit. Why are you describing his income from being leader of the opposition as a 'benefit'?
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Mar 6, 2017 08:51
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jabby posted:Because that's how it's been listed by his accountant? Who cares what it counts as, the point is the media are just making Corbyn the story (and are still doing so even after being corrected) despite his return being correct. You described it as a 'leadership benefit' though surely you understand this is wrong? Corbyn has made Corbyn the story by loving up his published tax return.
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Mar 6, 2017 09:06
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Namtab posted:It's a legitimate place to put that information though, the issue was that the section wasn't broken down by the accountant. I'm not an accountant can you explain to me why it's legitimate to record part of your salary under the section headed 'uk pensions annuities and other rate benefits'? To me, as a layperson, that seems extremely nuanced.
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Mar 6, 2017 09:49
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mehall posted:I can understand it, it's a stipend for the post, rather than necessarily payment for the services provided, as he is already paid for his services by virtue of being an MP.. He's put it under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities'. There's nothing to understand. It's a mistake.
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Mar 6, 2017 10:05
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Praseodymi posted:Should probably shut your mouth about it then. Jeremy has made his erroneous tax return available for public scrutiny. Your request is denied.
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Mar 6, 2017 10:13
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forkboy84 posted:Will you do my tax return for me? You must be an expert, probably an accountant. I know what words mean. My only advice on accountancy would be: don't hire Jeremy's. Spangly A posted:you're not an accountant and are objectively, legally, wrong on this Can you expand upon this point?
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Mar 6, 2017 10:17
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Praseodymi posted:Surprised to see Pissflaps come out as a brexiteer after all this time, what with his support for people commenting on poo poo they know nothing about and all. I don't support Brexit this is a straw man argument. Spangly A posted:No you don't, though. You absolutely have no idea what these words mean in a legal, acturial, or accounting context. You are a layman. You are not expected to understand what these words mean. Which is great, because you don't. Are you able to explain specifically how I am wrong? Are you an accountant?
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Mar 6, 2017 10:19
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Spangly A posted:Perhaps, although it's common for an unedecuated layperson like yourself to have difficulties here. What is your specific complaint? I trained in acturial alongside econ, I live with a city and guilds fellow of accounting. There's a lot of letters around the name I won't bother you with. Your credentials are impressive. My complaint is that Jeremy has put the money he gets for being leader of the opposition under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities' and on the line 'uk pensions and state benefits' rather than 'pay from all employments'. Spangly A posted:Should declare that I am also, obviously, a layman; I do not pay my dues as an accountant as I was uninterested in it as a career choice. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Mar 6, 2017 10:30
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Spangly A posted:Ok, can you explain how this is not proper please, other than "jeremy bad" You told me that I can't explain why because I'm a layman and don't have authority to speak on such matters, unlike somebody who lives with an accountant. Though if you insist, to my layman's eyes, it seems nonsensical to describe a salary (or even a striped) as a pension or state benefit, rather than income from employment. Because it'a his job. And he gets paid to do t.
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Mar 6, 2017 10:36
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Spangly A posted:Zing. Did he pay the same taxes? I don't know I'm not an accountant. Though if you're asking if I think this error signals some attempt to defraud HMRC then the answer is clearly no. It's simply a mistake.
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Mar 6, 2017 10:58
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baka kaba posted:More like they saw an opportunity to manufacture a controversy and set themselves up with a nice juicy story for the day. So engaging it's sparking off a bunch of armchair accountancy The leader of the opposition misreporting his income on a tax return he's published to demonstrate transparency is a bit controversial tbf.
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Mar 6, 2017 11:15
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baka kaba posted:Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. "I'm not an accountant... but I reckon this actual accountant definitely did these accounts wrong!!" Insisting that it must be correct because 'an actual accountant did it' seems no more credible. Unless you're an accountant yourself and can explain it?
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Mar 6, 2017 11:21
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baka kaba posted:Yeah for sure, a professional is no more credible than some random saying "I don't understand so it must be wrong!" I've yet to see a credible explanation for why the leader of the opposition's wage can be described as a 'pension or state benefit'. Given that government accounts describe it as  a salary, and considering his track record of incompetence, I'm entirely confident that the qualified accountant Jeremy engaged managed to make this mistake, and his team failed to notice it. Because they're idiots. Maybe instead of the qualified accountant he got the guy that lives with him instead. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 11:40
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144 Haha loving knew it.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:12
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OwlFancier posted:The worst crime, a slightly untidy tax return. Being an incompetent labour leader is not a crime, unfortunately. Edit: as the submarine Kursk sank to its doom, all 118 souls on board declared the media to be to blame. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 13:28
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jabby posted:Also, you can put income wherever you feel it's most appropriate on a tax return. Multiple options are often acceptable. The fact that where Corbyns accountant chose to put his added pay is the big story rather than Hammond outright refusing to publish his is what's wrong with this country. If Corbyn hadn't published an incorrect declaration of his earnings then it might not be what the focus is.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:56
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I heard that lemsip, honey and a big glug of whisky is efficacious though being tee total I haven't had it myself.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:37
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Namtab posted:You can replace the lemsip with lemon and probably should given that medicine and alcohol isn't a winning combo Guavanaut posted:The big caution with that is that Lemsip is mostly paracetamol, which shouldn't be regularly taken together with alcohol, and is mostly in there for fever and aches, it won't do much for a cough. Fannies.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:53
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Pochoclo posted:Just go to a Boots and grab some of those chesty cough syrups that coat your throat or something, and some throat numbing lozenges. Do the lozenge first, then the syrup. Do you live with a doctor? It's almost the same as being one.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:59
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Namtab posted:Spangly wasn't wrong though, so stop being a oval office He was entirely wrong.
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Mar 7, 2017 01:27
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I just fact checked this and there doesn't appear to be a Social Democrat party in Norway?
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Mar 7, 2017 10:10
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These are all cool comparisons to Corbyn being poo poo at politicking.
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Mar 7, 2017 10:28
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Guavanaut posted:Have any other science men like internationally respected bioethicist Dickard Dorkins weighed in on this? Stephen Hawking? He's just a 'science man'. gently caress his opinion.
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Kokoro Wish posted:He does, but for greater distances he owns a bike. I fact checked this and  Confirmed.
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