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Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

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Guy Goodbody posted:

Oh bullshit, it's not even the whole series. It's just 1-105 and both annuals. I'ts missing the last 25 issues. I got ripped off.

Actually the longer alpha flight went on the worse it got, so you're probably missing the worst of the worst

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Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

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I just read America #1 and anyone got any thoughts on it? It seems mostly incoherent, and... insultingly inclusive to brown people and LGBT people? Is that a term?

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

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Sorry for that unfocussed take guys. Wasn't trying to be all alt-right or anything, I'd love a comic that highlights ethnicity and sexual preference in an empowering way. But this one seems... off. The whole "white being brown fist" thing was a big eye roll to me. I'm sure blaxploitation era Power Man has probably said things about his black fists, so maybe I'm just employing a double standard.

Woke issues aside, "disjointed" is a good way to describe it too, just jumping all over the place (Like America! Hah!), from pathos to punching and back.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

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CapnAndy posted:

Yeah, stuff like America going to school at this perfect neoliberal bastion of tolerance and the arts and insane advanced technology and perfect loving harmony that apparently exists on our world and not some utopian parallel dimension was bad, and the fact that it's literally named Sonia Sotomayor University was worse, and then she's immediately greeted by rapping dancing Latinas and they're from mother loving Leelumultipass Phi Theta Beta sorority and holy poo poo, that's about two magnitudes of terrible worse than I can take.

Also everyone who meets America immediately reads her Wikipedia page out loud to her, it's very weird. Yes thank you we know she's affiliated with the Ultimates and Young Avengers and is a general mutliversal badass, please have everyone stop repeating those facts as their first reaction to meeting her, this is not how you build anyone's character ever.

Someone brought up the Nadia Wasp in another thread (funny panels I think?) which is full of similar nonsense and joy. I feel like America is trying to take a similar tack, but kind of failing. I think part of it is that Nadia herself is weird and exuberant, and therefore the world around her is too. Whereas America isn't, and instead is kind of skeptical and taken aback by the poo poo going on around her, which means as readers we question it too.

I really like the America character (and have since the Young Avengers days) and I think what I liked is that she Gave No Fucks because she wasn't from Around Here, so the emotional beats that involved her felt pretty earned. With this setup though, going to college, wacky supporting cast, etc it does feel more like a sitcom setup. This can work (it's almost word for word the pitch for USG), and the art is gorgeous, but I'm not sure it's a good fit.

Eh, anyway I'll stop dumping on a new comic that does seem to come from a very honest place. It just jumped right out at me how jarring some of the elements were.

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