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Ginette Reno
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Start winning Rangers I want that 4th seed baby

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DJExile posted:

gently caress Kane but yeah in what way is a game boring when it has a hat trick, 66 shots on goal (including 31 in the 2nd period alone), and 51 hits? That sounds like a pretty fun game.

It had Maf in it too so you know there was at least some entertainment to be had.

I'm sure the Pens got away with some stuff that my homer eye conveniently ignored but poo poo like this was going uncalled last night: https://twitter.com/Benstonium/status/837144823626883072

More of an indictment on NHL reffing than the Hawks but lol

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Letang is day to day but Rutherford has no idea how long he's gonna be out. That sounds like a concussion to me. Pens are pretty hosed if he can't go by the playoffs.

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Kalenn Istarion posted:

The penguins player getting hooked was holding the stick under his arm, which was mostly why Keith was able to jerk him around so under current referee guidance that's prob not a penalty that's going to get called.

It could have been two penalties, sure. Keith initiated it with the hook though.

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Sheary is practicing with Crosby, but of course Chris loving Kunitz is on the left wing instead of Guentzel.

Sullivan don't you go full Bylsma on me you rear end in a top hat.

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Apparently Bill Peters is a bit unhappy with Eddie Lack's performance this year and looked toward his stall and said "Make a loving save" while talking to the reporters. Should probably be saying the same thing to Cam Ward, I'd think.

https://twitter.com/LukeDeCock?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Mind_Taker posted:

How did Carolina not move on from Cam Ward last offseason? It seemed like the most obvious thing in the world to do and instead they gave him a 2-year $6.6M contract to be one of the worst goalies in the league (again).

I don't know if he'd go there but you'd think Maf would be an option for them. He still sucks but not as badly as Cam Ward. If the Pens buy him out or eat salary it would make sense to me.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Holy poo poo, you didn't mention the D but look at this nightmare.
Dumoulin-Schultz
Streit-Hainsey
Cole-Ruhwedel

I vote we call second pairing the skeleton crew.

I like Hainsey so far. He's like old Brian Dumoulin.

But yeah if Letang isn't good to go by the playoffs we're gonna get gong showed by any Metro opponent. The Pens could probably still beat any of the Atlantic teams even without Letang though.

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Streit owns

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Pornographic Memory posted:

I thought the trade deadline was only the end of the period in which you could trade players and have them still be eligible to participate in the playoffs, and that actually you can trade year round except for the Christmas roster freeze?

Yes, you can still make trades right now, the players just can't play in the playoffs.

I think in a theoretical scenario where Maf gets hurt the Pens would bribe LV with everything they could to keep MM. It would suck terribly.

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Good Soldier Svejk posted:

What in the holy hell does that mean? I don't want to over-analyze but that's like how the Anaheim GM talked about Despres. If he's not majorly broken Sullivan really needs to work on how to deliver bad news.

It sounds like a concussion but they don't want to come out and say it's one for whatever reason. What else could be day-to-day but now it's longer but we're not sure how long?

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Lmao at this Torts interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITnbiN915xc

"I said what can I do...this may sound neanderthal but I said I'm gonna go fight that guy."

e: If Jackets/Pens is a thing in the playoffs there's like a 100% chance of another blowup unless the Jackets somehow sweep the Pens or something

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Justin Schultz has 44 points this season

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Krime posted:

I can honestly see him staying on a 1 year deal that is extremely team friendly.

I'm not sure if anything that brings him back and has him attached to Sid's hip is team friendly. If they can restrain themselves and play him on the fourth line, sure.

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Not bad for a guy who was the definition of a nothing trade last year

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Jordan7hm posted:

Don't think his bonafides as an offenseman were ever really in question. He wasn't up to the absurdly difficult task of being a #1 on a bad team, but there was always a lot of skill there.

Kunitz's TOI is noticeably down this year, I think even the coaching staff recognizes they've got to play some of the younger guys instead.

Thing is, Schultz's minutes have steadily gone up over the year due to injuries etc and he's still thriving. He owns.

As far as Kunitz goes I'm not so sure you're right because the past month plus they've had him on Crosby's line at even strength and predictably that line has been rear end. They finally demoted him mid game today for Guentzel and Crosby ended up with like 9 shots on goal. Jake-Sid-Sheary should be a thing, or Sheary-Sid-Hornqvist. Kunitz is fine on the fourth line but for some reason he inevitably worms his way back into the top six.

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Jordan7hm posted:

Kunitz worms his way back because he's still a guy who can score ~35 EV points, and Pittsburgh's ice time distribution means guys who can produce at that rate will spend time with one of Crosby or Malkin. Kunitz has actually spent significantly more time with Malkin than with Crosby this year.

I'd like to see Guentzel get a legitimate shot there with Sheary on the other side because that has looked good, and Guentzel has shown the ability to produce offense. I'm not sure I like Kessel on the third line any more either. Him and Malkin keep scoring together and yet they're constantly held apart. Sullivan is obsessed with having three strong lines but what worked last year hasn't worked so far this year since HBK has been a bad combo.

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Mind_Taker posted:

I'm okay with the goal standing because Orpik is a loving moron who always checks forwards into his own goalie and the Capitals deserve it for playing Orpik over Nate Schmidt. Orpik had a play on the puck to clear it but instead was too busy pushing the Dallas guy into Holtby.

It's funny you mention this because my enduring memory of Brooks Orpik (other than the shift vs the Wings in the SCF) is him cross checking an opposing player into his own goalie after the puck is already in the net. Can't count the number of times I've seen that.

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I'm panicking because Crosby might not win every trophy and the Pens look really good but not Stanley Cup good.

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You didn't post the best part:

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a false posted:

tanner glass in fact scored his goal tonight pretty much strictly because he fell down, which caused him to be deserted, which allowed him to be open in front for a rebound. honestly if that had been on purpose that would have been a clever move, but it was not on purpose because he is tanner glass

Why is he still in the league

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Mind_Taker posted:

Sounds like Tanner Glass needs some top 6 time IMO. Can't ever have enough grit at the top of your lineup, especially in the playoffs.

Disco Dan's ears perk up

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No changing on an icing is somewhat of a dumb idea to begin with, and I definitely don't like the no timeout thing. That type of poo poo is likely to lead to injuries with exhausted players on the ice who can't get off.

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With no off-sides there'd be even more icing than there is currently since teams would be whizzing home run passes down the ice.

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Jordan7hm posted:

Discretionary icing is a thing.

Unless I'm crazy it was supposed to be more emphasized coming out of the first lockout where they said they'd stop calling icing on attempted passes but as the years wore on it seems like anything that isn't directly on a guy's tape is an icing even if it's the most clear attempted pass of all time.

I'd prefer they call it that way. I hate icings where it was clear the player didn't intend to chuck it down the ice. Even worse are the icings where the opposing team's defenseman comes flying down the boards to try to keep a puck alive and so the winger panics and bails out slightly on the attempted pass and it's an ice. gently caress all that.

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Icings require a mandatory fight between two players and if the team that iced it loses they don't get to change

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Aphrodite posted:

If you ice the puck but make it to the bench before the whistle, that's okay and you can change.

Olli Maatta crawls off the ice ten minutes later

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Mike Sullivan posted:

“There’s just so much speculation around this, about Kris’ injury,” Sullivan said. “What I will confirm is that it’s not a concussion, it’s not related to a stroke or anything of that nature. Kris has an upper-body injury. He’s rehabbing that injury at home as we speak. We’re hopeful here that he’ll have a quick turnaround and we’ll get him back in the lineup.”

It's not a stroke or a concussion it's something else...heart attack?

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

do you know who has the most points in the NHL since January 1? That's right, the wonderful Brad Marchand. 22 goals and 17 assists in 28 games. Also he's tied for second in the NHL in scoring which still surprises me every time I look at it (unrelated, Pittsburgh with two 70 point players already is stupid). Really glad he signed his contract last summer.

Sid has slowed down a lot lately (because loving Sullivan sticks Kunitz to his hip) but Malkin has gone into god mode to make up for it. First world problems yo.

It's not even out of the question the Pens could have three PPG players by the end of the year. Kessel isn't so far off.

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Levitate posted:

I'm pretty sure Pens fans still really have no idea how lucky they are to have Crosby and Malkin and Letang all on teh same team. I mean, the gods have decided to make things fair and usually prevent them all from being healthy at the same time, but holy lol that they basically have two generational talent centers and that's after having two other of the best players to ever play the game

loving pittsburgh

I followed them in the dark years so I do have some idea of how lucky I am. But I also followed them when they Mario/Jags who were even better than Crosby/Malkin so uhhh.

Yeah, pretty lucky overall as a fan.

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Pens called up Oskar Sundqvist. Kinda excited to see him. He's done quite well in the AHL this year and looked decent in his call ups last year.

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ThinkTank posted:

I can't find the study now, but handedness in hockey was closely linked with the age at which a kid first started playing the sport. The younger you are, the more likely you are to put your dominant hand on top of the stick. Wait a few years and it starts to even out as influences such as batting and golfing handedness start getting ingrained. In general Canadian and European kids start playing hockey at a younger age than American ones and are therefore more likely to shoot left.

It's also a cultural thing to a certain extent. Russian players were almost exclusively left handed throughout their heyday, but right handedness has crept in over the years to the point where the best Russian player of all time is a right handed shot, something that would've been inconceivable even 25 years ago.

e: The original report seems to be gone but here's a reference to it in the NYT.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/sports/olympics/16lefty.html

Every time the handedness thing comes up I think of Mario and how he's a righty who shoots right and I'm like well either there's not all that much to that or maybe Lemieux would have been even more terrifyingly good if he shot left instead.

Also think it's not entirely unlikely that some of the righties that shoot right have harder shots because of the dominant hand being on the bottom but who knows.

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The Pens could actually catch Washington which wasn't something I would have expected a few weeks ago. That would be nice because gently caress playing Washington or Columbus in the first round.

An even more comedic possibility is Columbus winning the division and Wsh/Pitt being a first round series which would show what a complete travesty this playoff format is.

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Aye Doc posted:

hagelin is out 4 weeks

The Pens are currently missing:

Hagelin
Hornqvist
Cullen
Rust

Letang
Maatta
Daley


And yet keep winning. We better get healthy by playoff time though :negative:

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Schlesische posted:

Until Murray gets injured and the Pens flame out in the first round, this season is all about the Pens.

Comedy option, Murray gets injured and Fleury carries the team to the cup. The Pens then choose to expose Murray and keep Fleury.

I don't think I'd even care. back to back Cups would keep my good and happy for a long time.

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Kilza posted:

Like, gently caress. This team is just so loving bad right now and they're going to miss the playoffs yet again after having a playoff spot for the entire season. And even if they do make it they'll just get swept by whoever they face. :smith:

Don't they still kinda stink when Mcdavid isn't on the ice?

e: New Coaches Corner Transcribed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jay7wsaYFh4

God drat I love these

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

I'm not sure how I feel about it. A lot of people are saying it's a weak class but I think a lot of that is because 2013-2016 were all relatively strong drafts with multiple guys who were rightfully pegged as being impact NHL players. The best guy this year is someone who would have gone somewhere around 10th in last year's draft, which isn't bad when you think about it. I think there are definitely some interesting prospects out there (I'm really interested to see what happens with Kailer Yamamoto for example) but it's a down year, which I suppose had to come along eventually.

You think Nolan Patrick would have gone 10th last year? I sincerely doubt that. 6 ft 3 and scored 100 points last year. He'd have easily been top 5.

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

I think Crosby will. 6 in the next 15 games seems reasonable. He might be the only one though.

I could see Marchand, Tarasenko, or Malkin getting there too, but they all need 8. Malkin and Marchand have been so good lately though that I could see them pulling it off. Haven't seen enough of Laine to say either way. I don't think anyone else with 30+ goals will make it.

I'm not that confident in his Richard or Art Ross chances at the moment. Kunitz is finally off his line which is nice but he's still been slumping in general. He's got four goals in his last 15 games and only 12 points over that span.

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I wonder how much TOI has to do with it. The top scorers used to regularly average 20 or more minutes a night. Now look at the top. There's a few guys like Mcdavid and Kane doing that but there's also a ton of guys averaging less than 20. When Ovechkin scored 65 goals he played 23 minutes a night. When Sid hit 120 he played 20:46. This year Sid plays about a minute less at 19:46 and Mcdavid plays just around 21 mins a night which is on the high end of ice time.

Teams just don't lean on star players as much as they used to it seems. And of course there's less powerplays.

e: btw I still find it absolutely insane that Bure averaged 26:52 of ice time in 2000-01. Fuckin lol.

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Doctor Butts posted:

I wasn't paying attention to team colors but when I saw the goalie start to protect the trapezoid instead of the goal crease, I knew it had to be MAF.

If he goes to Vegas you should put money on him letting in the first shot they ever face because he lets in the first shot of a game quite a bit. It's a decent bet to make imo.

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Apparently Mark Streit got hit in the balls last game or something so even the Pens' replacement d are getting hurt now. It's kinda stupid how this team can have like half of its roster out and still keep winning year after year.

e: for reference

hurt:

Matt Cullen C Undisclosed
03/14/17 Patric HornqvistRW Concussion
03/14/17 Mark Streit D Lower Body
03/12/17 Carl Hagelin LW Lower Body
03/08/17 Kris Letang D Upper Body
03/07/17 Bryan Rust RW Arm
02/23/17 Trevor Daley D Knee
02/17/17 Olli Maatta D Hand


Four top six d and three top nine forwards plus our best fourth liner :psyduck:

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