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Kegslayer posted:Ending spoilers The company didn't want to grow more kids, they wanted to round them up and exterminate them. They started the breeding program, but then while they were doing that they perfected the X-24, which shortcuts the whole "raising and training a bunch of superpowered toddlers" aspect. The world the kids have to live in is still pretty bleak. The evil company is still doing it's evil cloning thing. Nothing was really overthrown. There's probably a dozen more X-24s where that one came from. The only thing the mutants win in this movie is that they escape their immediate pursuers, for the time being. I do agree that we have no idea what's waiting for them in Canada, and I don't think it's safe to assume that Canada will be some kind of mutant paradise. There's nothing in the movie to really suggest that mutants are better off in other countries. Someone else said that this movie is on a much smaller scale than other superhero movies, and I think that works for it. Logan and Charles have had grand, world-changing adventures, but the very end of their story is just them helping to get a handful of kids to what is hopefully a better place than they're in right now. There's no real "victory," it's just two old men going as far as they can until they run out of steam.
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MrJacobs posted:I'm not sure if he's supposed to be that susceptible to sunlight since I don't think the Apocalypse version of him was an albino. But there is no way to know for sure since it was never spelled out that the food did it anyway, it just made sense as to why Xavier and Logan both had similar issues since Logan wouldn't really get old within Xavier's lifetime unless something was going on. I just saw this for the second time, and I agree that I don't think it was the food. It was presented more as his healing factor just burning out. None of the movies ever established that Logan was actually immortal, so his power having a shelf life makes as much sense as anything else. I think it would have detracted from the rest of the story if it was the food: Logan doesn't even want to be on this mission, and at the end he gets a transformation (feeling the love of a family) that would have been cheapened by adding an element of payback to it. Anyway, some random thoughts and things I noticed the second time around: In a scene where Logan is looking over medical records of the kids, one of Laura's forms indicates she has adamantium implants at "sites Alpha-Delta," and then we get a partial view of a diagram of her body and "beta" written next to her left hand. So it's pretty well spelled out that Laura only has adamantium in her claws, and not the rest of her skeleton. Presumably they would have added that later when she was fully grown, but wanted her to have the metal claws from as early an age as possible. This ties in nicely with her fighting style, she relies completely on stealth and the element of surprise, and gets overpowered easily when she doesn't have it. Yeah, she shrugs off being harpooned through the chest, but once she gets surrounded it's over, and later X-24 has no trouble slapping her in irons. Someone said how disappointed they were that the thing that killed off the Wolverine was being impaled on a stick, but that's not quite accurate. Logan's healing factor was basically non-existent at this point (remember that he could barely stand after getting out of the Bronco, despite sleeping for hours), and he was shot a bunch of times, then impaled on a huge branch, and then stabbed in the heart by X-24. I don't agree that X-24 is the embodiment of Logan's rage, he's more the embodiment of the Weapon X program, of what Logan was supposed to be: an invincible soldier that can be dropped into a situation, slaughter everyone, and complete an objective. The only flaws are 1) he doesn't heal fast enough, and 2) he gets distracted easily. But mostly he did his job well enough, and would have been totally successful if Will Munson didn't own him with a truck. Logan still has his rage. He hates it, but he knows he needs it. First with the carjackers, he loses the fight until he lets himself get angry and then he fucks up their poo poo. But the best example is when Xavier is having his seizure at the casino. We know it's all in everyone's head, slot machines and elevators still work normally, but everyone's brain is on fire and they can't move more than their eyeballs. Laura's healing factor is miles ahead of Logan's, and even she's reduced to crawling along the floor uselessly. But for Logan, he wasn't just hanging on, fighting through a haze; he was angry as gently caress at being in pain, and he focused that rage and used it to punch through the effects of the seizure. No one else has the ability to even pull a trigger, and Logan is standing up and walking during the entire episode. Even when he confronts the rednecks at the pump station, it's there, ready to go. He would have slaughtered those guys without hesitating but they had the sense to run away before it got to that point. The perfectly edited cell phone video, and the kids standing in a circle waving their arms over Pierce while he screams felt even more jarring and out of place the second time around. I think a possible reason for rounding up the kids is that Dr. Rice wants to harvest what he can from them. Organs, blood, tissue, etc. He gives an order to do the same thing to Caliban after he dies. Yes, they've got DNA on file, but I get the impression that cloning is labour intensive and expensive (otherwise there would be like a dozen X-24s), and having all that available on hand is probably advantageous. Plus they make a big deal about the children being patented and owned, they don't want someone else getting their hands on proprietary DNA. Laura in particular, as the only one in the film with a fully functioning healing factor, would be useful for more study, presumably to fine tune the next iteration to heal faster. I think this and Deadpool are my two favourite superhero films. It turns out that letting people who know and care about the characters treat them the way they feel they should be without worrying about keeping it PG-13 makes for some quality cinema. The swearing didn't feel excessive, and it didn't feel forced. But obviously people in the situation Logan and Charles are in are going to swear. It's honestly more jarring in other films when the characters don't.
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Grey Fox posted:Regarding his healing I agree that it was a combination of the adamantium grafts given it's already been established that the procedure would kill anyone without his healing abilities at a younger age, plus his extreme old age. Xavier's old parlor trick of being able to freeze everyone around him without consequence went completely awry in his old age, so there's no reason to believe Logan's powers wouldn't work the same way. I thought it was noteworthy that he never explicitly used his sense of smell, despite both Laura and Caliban "smelling" his poisoning. Yeah, it could be a denial thing, but him never using his smell to do anything compared to the other movies seems to lean in that direction. And in the end, he OD'ed on serum, which means a serious comedown and the total loss of his healing as a result. His healing ability was pretty much gone by then already. He slept for hours in the Bronco, and yet when he got up he could barely stand. Even after the kids gave him a little bit to bring him back to health, he wasn't able to run very far in pursuit. Compare that to his earlier fight with X-24 which he at least got up and walked away from Grey Fox posted:The only major "question" I have after seeing it twice is whether (end) The person Rictor is radioing that tells him "asylum confirmed" in Canada and info about satellite blind spots was on the level or just the Reavers loving with them and getting the kids to go exactly where they wanted. I'm fine with it either way. They're on the level. The reavers only found out their location a couple days prior, but the kids had been there for a week already and presumably that wasn't their first radio contact with whoever was waiting in Canada.
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Snowman_McK posted:Also that the clone isn't really a big picture dude. Richard Grant is the only guy who can control him, and he only goes after Logan because he's told Logan killed Grant. There's a good chance that if Logan can hold him off long enough, the clone will just forget about everyone else after killing him and just revert to being completely feral. Couldn't he track them by scent? They'd be fresh, one's even bleeding already, and I could see him running down at least one or two before getting distracted. Although the clone doesn't heal properly without that green serum. He spent the entire night hanging from a fence without regenerating his missing eye until he got an injection. All Logan has to do is wound him enough to slow him down, and then he won't be chasing anyone.
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Basebf555 posted:Regardless of that, Logan may be able to hold him off long enough to save at least some of the kids. If they all just stay there and try to fight together they all may die, which is exactly what would have happened without that Adamantium bullet. The entire reason Logan is there is to sacrifice himself, he took a lethal dose of the healing juice knowing that he was going to trade his life for theirs, all of that is pointless if they just stay and die alongside him. Oh I get all that, it just stuck out to me that throughout the entire movie Logan's (and his derivatives) heightened senses weren't mentioned at all. I know his eyesight was failing, and it's not like I expected them to shoehorn it in if the movie works without it, just that I noticed the absence. Also I thought that the juice was more like a generic "amp up your normal powers" kind of serum? In Logan's case this made his healing factor useful again but one of the other kids mentions that they were given it before fighting to make them stronger.
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