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Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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empty whippet box posted:

Why the gently caress would a millionaire buy a bronze level plan and then whine about it? Is he also retarded?

Arkane is a literal parody of the selfish cheap FYGM HENRY made flesh.

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Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Yeah I thought that they were trying to make it so the public only had a matter of hours to review things.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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There was a nice poll that showed that the majority of people will blame Republicans for the failure of Obamacare. So,

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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PT6A posted:

Yeah, that obviously worked a treat, what with the giant backlash against Republicans that cost them several branches of government and also a few governorships and state houses.

This poll was from a couple months ago not from before the election...

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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empty whippet box posted:

What the gently caress? Cruz? Paul?

Isn't Cruz writing the bill?

Paul literally exists to vote No on absolutely everything that doesn't instantly dissolve the Federal Government.

Cruz is a real surprise though.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Rhesus Pieces posted:

Yeah, the bill has only been officially released for a few hours now. It was kept secret for so long purely to suppress coverage and pushback from the opposition. We all had a good idea of what would be in the bill but nothing solid to attack until right now. Expect coverage and public outrage to ramp up considerably from here on out, but the amount of time for that to derail things has been compressed purposefully.

At least we got a little under a week instead of mere hours like they wanted.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Interesting strategy now that Obamacare is polling positive for the first time in its existence.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Pollyanna posted:

With who? Democrats and Independents? Rs still think it's the devil. Remember, this is a tribal war at this point.

Democrats and independents outnumber Republicans so, yes?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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So has a date been set on a vote yet? Or is it still up in the air?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Defenestration posted:

No date yet but they want to get it passed before the Senate goes home for July 4 recess and has to face the constituents

July 4 gives some time. The more time that goes by the more people can express their outrage.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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EvilWeasel, based on the assumption that Heller is a No what do you figure are the chances this won't have the votes?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Thanks for the explanation. drat this poo poo is complicated. Are we really sure that even the Republicans know how this procedural poo poo works?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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evilweasel posted:

The fury against Heller might be that he is really blowing up their messaging here.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/878337013472165888

He's being so blunt about it that it's going to make it more awkward for the other "moderates." Most only pretend to have a soul, but it will make the pretending harder.

Sounds potentially promising?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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I can. I'm honestly surprised that no Mega Church somewhere has come up with some fraudulent "not-insurance" that they strong arm their parishioners into signing up and "donating" toward yet. Or maybe they have and we don't really know about it?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Mokelumne Trekka posted:

Is McCain voting for this piece of poo poo? I thought he was a moderate, or somewhat.

Per NY Times there are about 25 unclear votes. Maybe some sane conservatives in there.

McCain may have, at one point, been a moderating influence in the GOP. That ended around 2000. And was forever dead and buried in 2008.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Invalid Validation posted:

And you would think a healthy and smart population would be a good financial investment for corporations. But what the gently caress would I know?

It is for ten years down the road. But not next fiscal quarter.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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BarbarianElephant posted:

He's a real team player, furiously tweeting inanities to distract from what his more serious cronies are doing. I cannot believe this is accidental.

Trump's tweets aren't distracting from anything and literally nothing he does is part of some intended plan.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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BarbarianElephant posted:

I guess you already forgot about the impending ACA repeal. Working as planned.

:rolleyes: ok

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Counterpoint:
https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/885900245070163969

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Or, more likely, they won't.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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They all want to keep their heads down and just not get past the vote for a motion to proceed. That way they can avoid voting yes or no.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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WHY BONER NOW posted:

Part of me is disappointed the republican health care bill is dying...I was hoping if it passed, the loving ghouls that voted for it would get removed from office, and the pendulum swings back the other way and single payer pushes through. But if the bill dies, I think the outrage will die and most republicans will hold their seats. Am I wrong? :/

You are wrong because this way tens of thousands of people won't die.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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asdf32 posted:

McCain has been one of the better republican critics of trump and right now only republicans matter.

McCain voted to confirm every single one of Trump's appointments and has also voted lockstep with his proposed legislation.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Nice.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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LinYutang posted:

If he was convinced to show up they probably have the votes. Godspeed America!

Not necessarily.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

it's not dead, they're just gonna find something else to trim

Well then its no longer "Skinny" on the repeal, which turns off a few votes.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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bawfuls posted:

Seems clear at this point they do not fear electoral consequences. Why might that be??

They absolutely do fear electoral consequences. If they didn't they would have done a full-repeal and laughed about it afterwards. This is literally them trying to pass the blame for something they KNOW will hurt them onto someone, anyone, else.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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evilweasel posted:

oh they could easily do this

like, eliminate PP defunding from the "skinny repeal" and the pro-life lobby won't let the House pass it, presto you have a byrd-compliant poison pill

So why don't they?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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I gotta say, making it so that the people getting hurt by this are the core middle class constituency instead of the poor is certainly a bold strategy.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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tekz posted:

The Democrats have a supermajority in Califoria, a state that has the sixth largest economy in the world. Given these conditions, why have they not been able to table and pass a better bill?

It's always disingenuous when people talk about California being the 6th largest economy in the world. Yes that's technically true but it's not like it's all theirs to keep and spend.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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EugeneJ posted:

I have a bad feeling Pelosi and Schumer made Trump promise to kill single-payer if it ever comes to his desk

You are criminally stupid.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Typo posted:

lol even if repeal replace dies (again) this time they'll keep bringing it up every month or two until Nov 2018 (and beyond if they keep a healthy margin in the house)

Reconciliation dude.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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evilweasel posted:

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/910219733252878336

this guy is rather high strung so if he thinks its good news, that's good news

That's the "RED ALERT" guy right?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Is there even any time to add amendments?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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DarkstarIV posted:

Posting it here, because why not:

https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/910254629031641089

Bipartisan Healthcare fix is dead. This doesn't bode well, and makes me think Graham-Cassidy is passing.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't bode anything. There was never ever going to be some magic bipartisan solution since the Dems know that the Republicans will not act in good faith to actually fix anything.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Spiritus Nox posted:

Who the gently caress is Jimmy Dore

One of the few honest to god Bernie or Busters.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Having watched a ton of TYT circa 2013-2016 I can say with authority that Jimmy Dore is a total fucker.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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They have just one week to get this done. Anytime spent having to try and get people like Ted Cruz on board makes it that more difficult for them to get the people who count, like Murkowski and McCain, on board.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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Republicans simply don't have the votes no matter what they try and do here.

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Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

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It's dead Jim.

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