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Not a Step posted:Yeah. Both Russia and the US interfere in the sovereign affairs of foreign nations on a daily basis, and now we're super surprised that Russia is targeting the US (even though the US already targets Russia). Its a shocking loss of global power that now other countries think they can gently caress with the US the way the US casually fucks with other countries. Influencing foreign elections is for the US only! yeah, russia didn't acomplish poo poo since their preferred candidate they spent all their effort helping didn't win
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Guys, I have to confess something. I once thought negative things about Hillary Clinton. And then she lost the election. So its all my fault really. Yep, those things are super linked as cause and effect.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:07
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All that effort...into a lame phishing email someone was dumb enough to fall for.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:09
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i know it's really hard for lots of people to grasp this but there is a reason why confluence is an actual word
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. Both Russia and the US interfere in the sovereign affairs of foreign nations on a daily basis, and now we're super surprised that Russia is targeting the US (even though the US already targets Russia). Its a shocking loss of global power that now other countries think they can gently caress with the US the way the US casually fucks with other countries. Influencing foreign elections is for the US only! plucky little russia
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nations interfere in each others' affairs all the time, yes they also try not to get caught, and make a big deal about it if they catch another country doing it
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Not a Step posted:Guys, I have to confess something. I once thought negative things about Hillary Clinton. And then she lost the election. So its all my fault really. Yep, those things are super linked as cause and effect. Hey: Shhh
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I do understand the concern about Russia trying to rig the election, really. Its just weird that people keep wanting to blame the election on Russia for placing a stink bomb when the Clinton campaign tied a noose, anchored it firmly to the stair rail, got a stool from the kitchen, climbed up on it, put the noose around its neck and kicked the stool out from underneath while shooing off any rescue attempts on live television.
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Not a Step posted:I do understand the concern about Russia trying to rig the election, really. Its just weird that people keep wanting to blame the election on Russia for placing a stink bomb when the Clinton campaign tied a noose, anchored it firmly to the stair rail, got a stool from the kitchen, climbed up on it, put the noose around its neck and kicked the stool out from underneath while shooing off any rescue attempts on live television. Gringostar posted:i know it's really hard for lots of people to grasp this but there is a reason why confluence is an actual word
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Neurolimal posted:Most people aren't going to make the distinction between loving with a countries leader and loving with a country https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yeGMaT3PvI 
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Gringostar posted:i know it's really hard for lots of people to grasp this but there is a reason why confluence is an actual word A confluence of forces led to the successful launch to orbit of STS-119, without any of which would have resulted in mission failure. 
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Oh Snapple! posted:All that effort...into a lame phishing email someone was dumb enough to fall for. hello mr podesta i am russian prince
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:via pornhubcommentsonstockphoots: hello new hashtag follow
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Not a Step posted:I do understand the concern about Russia trying to rig the election, really. Its just weird that people keep wanting to blame the election on Russia for placing a stink bomb when the Clinton campaign tied a noose, anchored it firmly to the stair rail, got a stool from the kitchen, climbed up on it, put the noose around its neck and kicked the stool out from underneath while shooing off any rescue attempts on live television. no one is blaming the election on russia, except for a couple of paid Hillary surrogates and the few weirdos who genuinely think she's a charismatic genius
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Mar 14, 2017 04:10
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clinton bad at winning election russia bad for interfering its like poetry, it rhymes
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Mar 14, 2017 04:54
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Brother Friendship posted:clinton bad at winning election russia bad for interfering but if acknowledging one thing besides hillary bad caused her to lose that would mean that other things besides one thing and hillary bad might be why she lost 
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Mar 14, 2017 05:11
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she lost by 3 states
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Against a cheeto oligarch who can't string a full sentence together That's like losing a marathon to a toddler
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Not a Step posted:I do understand the concern about Russia trying to rig the election, really. Its just weird that people keep wanting to blame the election on Russia for placing a stink bomb when the Clinton campaign tied a noose, anchored it firmly to the stair rail, got a stool from the kitchen, climbed up on it, put the noose around its neck and kicked the stool out from underneath while shooing off any rescue attempts on live television. [extremely dem thread voice] multiple things can't be problems at the same time, don't be an idiot
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rudatron posted:Against a cheeto oligarch who can't string a full sentence together Check out web site and past
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Yinlock posted:[extremely dem thread voice] multiple things can't be problems at the same time, don't be an idiot Its very troublesome that someone tied my shoes together and made me trip! This is a very real problem and not something to take lightly! Now how am I going to run away from the nuclear missile due to hit any second now?
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Not a Step posted:Its very troublesome that someone tied my shoes together and made me trip! This is a very real problem and not something to take lightly! Now how am I going to run away from the nuclear missile due to hit any second now? What are you trying to argue here exactly
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Mar 14, 2017 15:25
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Any damage the hacking did was relatively minor compared to the catastrophic damage the campaign did to itself
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Mar 14, 2017 15:27
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Did I just hallucinate the e-mails getting talked about for months while people chanted "Lock her up"
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Different emails
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I still really want to see the RNC emails as they melted down from the rise of Trump and wikileaks denying that to us is their greatest injustice imo
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sexpot posted:Did I just hallucinate the e-mails getting talked about for months while people chanted "Lock her up"
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sexpot posted:Did I just hallucinate the e-mails getting talked about for months while people chanted "Lock her up" Those were her State Department emails that were subpoenaed by Congress because of Mr. Ben Ghazi, no hacking required. Those had been an ongoing thing for years and a perfect example of Clinton's fundamental inability to just come clean and defuse a situation. Those emails were much ado about nothing, except for the usual disparities of power where bosses get away with what a junior staffer would have been crucified over. The emails the Russians provided were private DNC communications during the primary, which revealed the DNC was playing favorites and had been making some dumb rear end decisions from the very beginning. Nothing in those rose to the level of criminality, although it did confirm what a lot of people had suspected and soured many on the Democrats in general. It probably cost them a few votes, but the not showing up to a union hall or town hall in battleground states in favor of getting in more $500/plate fundraisers during the final months of the campaign did way more damage. And I think the polarizing thing about the DNC emails is whether you're more mad at the DNC for loving up the primary and being a bunch of morons who all wrote those emails or whether you're more mad at the Russians for showing people how the sausage is made. I get that its easy to conflate the two if you werent really paying attention and just want to be reactionary about RUSSIA! while holding to the belief that Hillary Did Nothing Wrong. Fullhouse posted:I still really want to see the RNC emails as they melted down from the rise of Trump and wikileaks denying that to us is their greatest injustice imo The RNC melted down on live TV though. Reince Priebus became the living embodiment of the 'This Is Fine' dog while Republicans openly rebelled against Trump and denounced him. The emails would be hilarious, yeah, but I don't think they'd reveal anything in particular.
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Not a Step posted:I get that its easy to conflate the two if you werent really paying attention Are you starting to see where this is going
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people werent chanting lock her up because russia is alleged to have leaked emails or for the content revealed from those emails they would've chanted lock her up if there were zero leaks
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comedyblissoption posted:people werent chanting lock her up because russia is alleged to have leaked emails or for the content revealed from those emails it almost sounds like people are looking for literally anything to label her bad
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E: ^^^ Because she was insanely bad my friend. Legendarily bad. She lost to Donald Trump.sexpot posted:Are you starting to see where this is going That there exists idiots who want so much to blame the failure of their legendarily bad candidate on foreign influence that they're willing to ignore how history actually unfolded? "Lock her up" was a thing way before the DNC leak. Bernie commented that America was tired of Hillary's drat emails from the Benghazi investigation at the first debate in October of 2015 (turns out they weren't). The DNC leaks were a completely separate thing from July of 2016 that did not involve Mr. Ghazi.
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shut the gently caress up about Hillary nobody cares about her garbage campaign dude there's clearly other issues here like the fact that Russia is using the rules of Western society against it to undermine the basis of our institutions and destabilize NATO and the EU for their own ends
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Fullhouse posted:shut the gently caress up about Hillary nobody cares about her garbage campaign dude The people trying to use the specter of the RUSSIANS to justify why garbage candidate Hillary Clinton lost still do apparently. quote:there's clearly other issues here like the fact that Russia is using the rules of Western society against it to undermine the basis of our institutions and destabilize NATO and the EU for their own ends Yes, Russia's activities are concerning. True thing. 100%. Russia bad. They didn't swing the election, but its concerning that they tried. If only we had a government with enough of an opposition party left to do something about it. But apparently the Russians systemically sabotaged the entire Democratic Party right off a cliff into either irrelevancy or mewling submission for the next 4 to 8 years. Just lol if you think anyone is going to do anything about the Trump administration's extensive ties to Russia beyond a sternly worded email.
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Not a Step posted:Those were her State Department emails that were subpoenaed by Congress because of Mr. Ben Ghazi, no hacking required. Those had been an ongoing thing for years and a perfect example of Clinton's fundamental inability to just come clean and defuse a situation. Those emails were much ado about nothing, except for the usual disparities of power where bosses get away with what a junior staffer would have been crucified over.
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Fullhouse posted:shut the gently caress up about Hillary nobody cares about her garbage campaign dude Did you ever think maybe America is a garbage imperialist that imposes its will all over the globe To be fair I don't want Putin in charge more than I don't want the much weaker trump but Actually NATO blows and American hegemony blows(not for me personally, it benefits me personally)
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Fullhouse posted:shut the gently caress up about Hillary nobody cares about her garbage campaign dude Counterpoint: NATO is bad and I don't care about the EU
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IMF world bank wto NATO etc they go away and their Chinese and Russian equivalents come in might be good???
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Modest Mao posted:IMF world bank wto NATO etc they go away and their Chinese and Russian equivalents come in might be good??? lol
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