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We already know that several high ranking Trump officials have met Russian officials, and then lied about it in testimony. To argue that the Russian hacks of the DNC are false flags is basically clutching straws. It's Russia, it's always been Russia, and you're a moron if you're not seeing the similarities to what Putin has done pretty much exactly the same thing to other countries (i.e. in europe - he loving tried to assassinate the prime minister of montenegro, you don't think that says something?). Assange is the the pocket of Russia, and Wikileaks is being used by Russian intelligence to meet Russian foreign policy goals. Like I'm disgusted by the way seemingly intelligent people are ignoring the evidence in front of them, because the idea that CIA is actually in the right on something is personally confronting to them. They are actually correct here, even if they're still the CIA that waterboarded and all the rest of it.
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im gonna tell it like it is *fart sounds*
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Against a cheeto oligarch who can't string a full sentence together That's like losing a marathon to a toddler
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I had trouble starting my car yesterday, i'm pretty sure the cia was involved
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Republicans have stomped their feet every time they could, to declare that any opposition to them is unpatriotic, no matter what the issue was So the fact that their glorious leader is in the pocket of foreign power, should be pointed out at every turn, both because its actually bad, but also because it demonstrates the total hypocrisy of Trump voters - that they're actually massive fans of collussion and corruption, but only if it benefits them i.e. principles << partisanship Also Putin has done his best to violate other countries sovereignty when he can, like murdering people who fled (see: The recent mysterious death of a former duma MP) and even attempting to assassinate political leaders, so if you've ever bitched about the US doing that, ever, then consistency demands you hold putin to the same standard
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Mar 24, 2017 08:42
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Clinton being terrible also doesn't become not true because Russia, last I checked the accusation wasn't that they'd tampered with voting machines to rig the election, and Clinton did still lose to the giant orange baby, but maybe having the executive closely tied with another, largely hostile, country is a good enough reason to not dismiss their oppositiom to their meddling as 'xenophobia'
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Mar 24, 2017 08:52
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Modest Mao posted:Putin and his gov. are often bad yeah
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Mar 24, 2017 08:57
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Modest Mao posted:like no one is trying to defend putin or say that its good that trump seems to admire him
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Mar 24, 2017 08:58
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Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, resigned after the AP revealed he took kickbacks directly from russian oligarchs linked to putin: https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP The DNC leaks were released through wikileaks, the site run by a man who both makes a regular appearance of russian state owned television, and has specifically requested the protection of Russian state security forces while he stays in that embassy http://www.salon.com/2017/01/07/donald-trump-julian-assange-and-russia-how-theyre-connected-and-how-they-changed-an-election/ Trump himself has received loans from russian banks, and the russian mob operates out of Trump tower
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Mar 24, 2017 09:11
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Also lol you've never seen me post before if you think I'm a hillshill
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Mar 24, 2017 09:24
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i'm a cool guy, just looking fffor a fun time shitposting
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Mar 24, 2017 14:47
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Dems lost massively running an election saying nothing but "Trump bad!!!" and not presenting an real, progressive and alternative policy, that's not a continuation of the objectively failing and corrupt status quo if they run on the same or equivalent message in 2020, then Trump is getting another term
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It's embarrassing how stupid centrist dems are, because they keep thinking its the 90s, that people have somehow forgotten that wall street got bailed out, but homeowners didn't Or that they have forgotten that trade deals have raped the middle class Or that the US got itself into multiple pointless middle East wars with both democratic and republican leadership That their leaders lie to them daily, or treat them like cattle, That everyone have somehow forgotten any of that, and that the only thing you have to do, to restore things to the way they were, is defeat Trump I got bad news: Trump isn't an anomaly, he's an expression of frustration, a giant warning signal Kill him, and another demogage will take his place. And then another. And another. Until you get the message - that people are scared, desperate, and willing to give power to absolutely anyone, so long as said anyone promises to blow up the system that you, the elite, have made, the system they know they are trapped in, and heading for destruction.
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Oh no, not taxes Imagine spending tax money on the collective good, instead of wars and invasions Pretty loving messed up!!!
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The dems were never anti-war, but usually when another country interferes in your electoral politics, people tend to react against that, it's the same reason the US is hated in a lot of other countries around the world, because that's exactly what it's done
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To extend it a bit further, this sort of internal bickering is probably the result Putin expects. Funding & pushing a candidate like Trump helps Putin, because it's essentially exporting the 'confusion' model that characterizes Russian politics, to the US. Observe: Bernie people want to push the message that Clinton lost on policy, because she did, but that gets undermined by having an external actor mess up the situation, so they have to play it down. Problem is, it did actually happen, and it's becoming clearer just how extensive that influence was, and how much the Trump campaign team encouraged and played into that influence. Clinton people don't want to acknowledge the shortcomings of their campaign, their ideology, and also their dumb poo poo candidate and the entire organizational apparatus that thought she was gonna win lol, so Russia is a great little canard for them to ignore all of those issues. Republicans, the people who would be most likely to bang the 'foreign threat!' drum, mysteriously don't want to bring up the influence of one of the US's greatest geopolitical rivals on the election, because said rival helped their candidate win, and there's a real chance he would have lost (by the slimmest of margins) had putin not intervened, so they swallow their pride - and in doing so, show everyone else that they're not the 'patriots' they claim to be. The end result is - everyone loses, no one's sure what's happening anymore, there's no real clear winner. And that's the issue, because democracy's greatest strength, is that it gives a non-violent decisive political victory to one side or another. Without that decisiveness, faith in the system is damaged, and its ability to ameliorate political conflict is reduced. That, more than anything else, more than Donald loving Trump, is probably Putin's end goal here - a destabilization of Russia's greatest geopolitical rival, through the leveraging of internal conflict. rudatron has issued a correction as of 12:51 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Most intelligent voting systems have the idea of a party baked into it from the start, which is better than simply expecting autonomous politicians all day erryday, like the founding fathers thought you'd get.
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