call to action posted:

It's me, the guy who thinks the CIA wilikeals are on the up-and-up despite all evidence to the contrary

sexpot posted:

So uh will Wikileaks ever release some deets on what Russia and China are up to or

call to action posted:

One thing's for sure, if you point out the incredibly sordid history of the CIA (from causing the crack epidemic to overthrowing Iranian leaders to MK ULTRA), it definitely means you're totally uncritical and loving of Wikileaks

babypolis posted:

the russia poo poo is a dumb red herring because it doesnt lead anywhere useful. trump wont be impeached over it and even if it was possible trump is so incompetent the alternative of a pence presidency seems even worse. so far the only thing the russia stuff is accomplishing is giving bad dems an excuse for their horrible failure in the past election

Thug Lessons posted:

Why should anyone care if you like Wikileaks or not? I can't think of a single material thing that depends on whether you or I like Wikileaks.

comedyblissoption posted:

the scope of alleged russian actions to influence the election is so loving tiny and miniscule that any breath wasted on it just feels like sour grapes for losing or trying to distract from the real reasons the democrats lost

the only thing that would be a big deal is if there's any evidence that the trump campaign attempted a quid pro quo with russia, but there's literally zero evidence for this allegation

The Brown Menace posted:

Tillerson, 69th secretary of state

Neurolimal posted:

what exactly would have been ethical for russia to do when one potential leader of the strongest military force in the world is declaring you their mortal enemy

putting aside the obv. trump corruption, its pretty drat silly to blub about the fact that a country is working against you, when you declared that country your greatest enemy

we just aren't used to countries being able to retaliate against us in any way

Modest Mao posted:

it's a loving disgrace that we elected a sycophant who won't kill these Goddamn Foreguners That I Suddenly Hate

Worse still that these foreigners would thank him. Shameless

Neurolimal posted:

quick google:

http://theduran.com/hillary-declare-war-cyberattackers-threatens-russia-half-full-auditorium/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-putin-russia.html

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-declares-war-on-russia/

i mean this wasn't exactly secret info, russia was the go-to saber rattle target to appear tough on forpol

Neurolimal posted:

like I said, it was a quick google, those are far from the only sources

you have to be hilariously apologetic to pretend hillary and obama (by association hillary) weren't antagonizing russia, country with relations with two whistleblowers and whistleblowing groups that we have just learned also had leaked cia tools

Main Paineframe posted:

and this is why the Russia stuff would have completely blown over by now if not for the fact that Trump advisors keep turning up with undisclosed or suspicious ties with Russia

if it were just Dem hot air, even the media would have dropped it after a couple of months. but the Trump campaign keeps throwing blood in the water with a) the revelation that they've been going out of their way to hide or deny contacts with the Russians that actually happened, and b) the Trump campaign admitting enough fault to have people stepping down or recusing themselves over it

RaySmuckles posted:

russia is a bad country with terrible behavior.

the usa is also a bad country with terrible behavior.

dnc emails were released using incredibly basic and rudimentary methods that showed how unlikeable the organization itself was, which may, in turn, possibly have had an impact on an election between the two least popular candidates in history.

i guess my question is what do all these sudden anti-russian hawks want to do about it?

like, what is the solution to "making sure it doesn't happen again?"

sanctions? don't we already have sanctions on russia? they own the energy market in europe, i doubt there is much we can unilaterally do to impair them. try to get others to join us? first of all why would they want to, second how do you get energy dependent nations to rebel against their provider, third do you really think its a good idea to try to gently caress with russia's income like that? that's grounds for serious escalation and incredibly dangerous for everyone involved and would do considerably more to endanger the world.

make sure the dnc has basic cyber security? cool, that private organization should have had better security. we agree, but that doesn't much seem like something the government has to implement.

increase the powers of the security state to monitor all internet traffic so we can trace all the haxxx? is that a thing? is that a thing we want? i was under the impression that most people wanted to reduce the security state.

retaliate against russia? well, that's just stupid.

so seriously, what response is there to "maybe some possibly russian backed hackers released some emails that may have possibly had some sort of effect on the election that we certainly cannot directly track?"

RaySmuckles posted:

wikileaks is already widely disparaged by the media. sure, be weary of what they release, but if what they release is true, say some damning emails from the dnc, then its literally impossible to ignore true information because "oh hey that source can sometimes be hosed up." the contents of the email release is what is considered damning, not the drop or who dropped it. its foolish to think people would see something like that and say "i'm not going to read these or be upset by their contents because i don't like who released them." leaks happen and are a part of the digital age.

what does "call out putin" even mean? have the president go on live tv and say "putin is bad. he is a far right oligarch etc." that's loving suicide for international relations. the point is to avoid another cold war. plus, once you've directed the anger of the us citizenry against a foreign power you're going to have to actually do something. its a democracy where security and force are treated higher than anything. once you hype up the violent military loving populace, then what?

like what is the endgame with "calling out putin?" how does that not lead to potentially catastrophic outcomes? how does it ever defuse? is the hope that putin will apologize and promise to leave us alone, because lol if that's your plan. is the plan to just heighten tension with russia higher and higher daring them to make another mistake with the only outlet left to us being military intervention?

it all just seems stupid and shortsighted. people are upset that the democrats loving suck and they're looking for any reason to shift that blame elsewhere

reagan posted:

hillary clinton is doo doo and i'm glad she lost. gently caress the cia, too.

re: the hysterics over mike flynn talking to the russians. so what? did everyone forget about this? dems and neolibs are such spineless hypocrites

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326

Not a Step posted:

Trump bad, Putin bad, Russia bad, CIA bad, Wikileaks bad, DNC bad, Hillary bad.

Not a Step posted:

Yeah. Both Russia and the US interfere in the sovereign affairs of foreign nations on a daily basis, and now we're super surprised that Russia is targeting the US (even though the US already targets Russia). Its a shocking loss of global power that now other countries think they can gently caress with the US the way the US casually fucks with other countries. Influencing foreign elections is for the US only!

Nevermind that Russia didn't really accomplish anything with the hacks, the real outrage is the sudden feeling of being on the same tier as all those other pleb nations we push around

Not a Step posted:

I do understand the concern about Russia trying to rig the election, really. Its just weird that people keep wanting to blame the election on Russia for placing a stink bomb when the Clinton campaign tied a noose, anchored it firmly to the stair rail, got a stool from the kitchen, climbed up on it, put the noose around its neck and kicked the stool out from underneath while shooing off any rescue attempts on live television.

Gringostar posted:

i know it's really hard for lots of people to grasp this but there is a reason why confluence is an actual word

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

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Brother Friendship posted:

clinton bad at winning election russia bad for interfering

its like poetry, it rhymes

comedyblissoption posted:

people werent chanting lock her up because russia is alleged to have leaked emails or for the content revealed from those emails

they would've chanted lock her up if there were zero leaks

Modest Mao posted:

IMF world bank wto NATO etc they go away and their Chinese and Russian equivalents come in might be good???

Modest Mao posted:

Hillary was big on micro lending right? Also I don't think China or Russia bombed several countries that posed literally no threat just because some Saudi price asked a favor or w/e

Like America (Washington and our banks) is p much the bad guys

Maybe we got some good NGOs idk

Not a Step posted:

Truly all world powers are garbage.

Thug Lessons posted:

I hope they do undermine those institutions and then the neo-KGB assassinates you.

Main Paineframe posted:

who is doing this???

Thug Lessons posted:

There are no Putinites. That's some specter of your invention.

Thug Lessons posted:

How about, for example, the entire mainstream media?

Thug Lessons posted:

So basically you don't have any arguments, you have LOL emotes. Libs should be ethnically cleansed.

Thug Lessons posted:

Why would I care if some dumbass lib who's obsessed with "the Russian threat" respects my posts?

Thug Lessons posted:

This is the level libs are at. "Lol ur mad" in 2017.

Thug Lessons posted:

I rest my case.

comedyblissoption posted:

the media (e.g. NPR) are certainly pushing the russians changed the election outcome (or were a significant factor) narrative

Thug Lessons posted:

He's repeating the message that he's supposed to.

comedyblissoption posted:

Gringostar posted:

i know it's really hard for lots of people to grasp this but there is a reason why confluence is an actual word

Thug Lessons posted:

Thats one of the worst posts ever made and it displays a shocking level of self-awareness that youre self-quoting it