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Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

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Nemo2342 posted:

I also have to chime in and say that this was one of the most informative threads I've read on the forum.

I'm finally going to go replace my mattress next week, in the hope that it will help fix the lower back-pain I've been having on the side that I sleep on. Since the Drs couldn't find anything wrong I'm holding on to hope that this will work.

Try putting a pillow under your knees--but go for the big brain move and put it under your mattress. Adding height under your knees (particularly if you're on your back) can reduce a surprising amount of pressure on your lower back.

It's one good reason why adjustable bases are great.

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Synastren
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sugar free jazz posted:

Any recommendations on futon mattresses that go on a wood fold down frame? Trying to figure out what to get for my futon frame for a guest bed.

As far as I know, there aren't a lot of differences across different futon mattresses. They're all effectively really big pillows. If it were me, I'd aim for a thicker one (8 inches), because I slept on one for years in high school that was in that 4-6 inch range.

Synastren
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Nemo2342 posted:

Went to the local Mattress Firm today, and after being disappointed at seeing the Purple mattress well above Purple's website pricing, ultimately ended up going with a TEMPUR-Adapt 11 in. Medium Hybrid.

Ultimately I ended up liking the way it felt like it held me in place after it warmed up, as opposed to some of the ones that kind of sink into as soon as you laid down on them (like the Purple Premier 3).

I now await the mattress' delivery and Synastren's judgement.

Adapt is solid. It's virtually the same mattress as the previous generation's most popular model (Cloud Supreme). While I think that the ProAdapt is a significant improvement, I don't think that there is a better foam product in the same price band as the Adapt.

Just please, please make sure you give it time before you decide if it's the right mattress for you or not! A normal break-in period is at least 30 days; for Tempur it's more like 45-60, because it is quite different from everything else.

PS: If you think your person at MF did well or poorly, shoot me a PM with their first name and what store it was, and I'll relay your feedback to their supervisor if you'd like. Feedback is always welcome!

Synastren
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Nemo2342 posted:

Granted it's hard to make a totally in-depth assessment based on laying on the mattress for 5-10 minutes, but I couldn't tell enough difference between the ProAdapt (which was the one the saleperson originally guided me to) and the Adapt to justify the price increase. Most of the money I saved went to getting one of the cheaper adjustable frames instead of using my ancient basic metal frame and box spring, so it's a fair trade off.

And I can't even return this mattress until 30 days have passed, so I have to give it a fair trial whether I like it or not. It's still going to be better than my old falling to pieces mattress.

This was the right choice over the ProAdapt.

Also, if you're nice but insistent, that 30 day trial is more of a suggestion and less of a hard and fast rule. If you're a dick, we'll see you in 30 days, though, every time.

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Nemo2342 posted:

Good to know! Is there also a way around the “no money back” clause if I end up returning it for a cheaper option? The salesperson said I could maybe sweetalk them into tossing in more pillows, but I don’t know that I need that many more.

Also I would have really liked to get the fancy adjustable frame that was displayed on the Adapt, but I couldn’t justify the cost when I’m mostly going to use it to sit up and read before bed. I couldn’t see myself really using the massage feature, but the USB ports were nice.

Uh, there isn't a "no money back" clause, assuming they're not a franchise. There is a restock fee, and a return delivery fee, but if you're owed a refund you just get a refund. Also, since Tempur is a MAP product (i.e., manufacturer dictates pricing on products, including what promotions those products participate in), the salesperson could get in a lot of trouble by ignoring that. We've seen local businesses actually have Tempur pull their entire portfolio off of their floor for violating pricing guidelines, so that's a dangerous game to even suggest.

I would recommend raising the head of your base about 2 inches before you nod off. That's high enough to achieve some relief in breathing, open the upper respiratory tract (read: lighter snoring, if applicable), and to help a bit with heartburn. Nudge the legs up a little bit for some pressure relief in the lower back, and help line up your hips if you sleep on your side. If you have a base and you're not using it to sleep better, you're doing it wrong, and we've done a disservice by not illustrating that point well!

pastor of muppets posted:

I got the frame with the massaging feature when I bought my LuxeAdapt in January. Honestly, you’re not missing out on much.

YMMV, but the point of the massage feature is to knock you out or help recover from soreness. It encourages capillary blood flow, which evokes a physiological relaxation response and encourages the breakdown of lactic acid. I use it most nights, and I'm awake for it to turn off maybe once a month. Before getting it, I could lay there for an hour or two before conking out.

Synastren
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Nemo2342 posted:

To be clear, what I was told was that if I didn't like a say $2000 mattress and exchanged it for an $1500 mattress under the comfort exchange policy, I would not be refunded the difference. It was said that I could possibly talk them into making up some of that difference via merchandise such as pillows, though.

I will note that this is not actually written on any of the paperwork, which does mention the 30% restock fee and return delivery fee if I decide to get a refund instead of an exchange.

That definitely sounds like a franchise thing, which is not surprising given the location you told me.

The general corporate policy is here: https://www.mattressfirm.com/en-us/stores/ak/anchorage/133003/

quote:

You may exchange your mattress once, with a return delivery fee of $99.99*, and receive, as credit toward the purchase price of a different mattress, the purchase price of your original mattress less a restocking fee equal to 10% of your original mattress purchase price (restocking fee not to exceed $250). If you still aren’t absolutely satisfied with your new mattress, you can return it with a return delivery fee of $99.99* and receive, as a refund, the purchase price of your new mattress less a restocking fee equal to 20% of your new mattress purchase price (restocking fee must not exceed $500). Your refunded purchase price will be further reduced by any state use taxes that we are required to apply. Mattress Firm is unable to exchange or refund stained, unsanitary or damaged mattresses under the 120 Night Sleep Trial®. That’s why we highly recommend using a waterproof mattress protector to help keep your new mattress clean. In addition, we recommend keeping all original tags on your mattress. If you remove the law tag from the mattress or foundation, it will void the 120 Night Sleep Trial®.

If it turns out to be a problem, it wouldn't hurt to ask why it's different than what's online. Franchises account for less than 5% of all of the Mattress Firm locations in the country, so it's certainly a valid question!

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GWBBQ posted:

Just to double check, I got this mattress recently
https://www.amazon.com/Avenco-Mattress-Isolation-Individually-NDSM30/dp/B0BKQ9628W

and have this frame
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BWC1X3S

The only reason I would need a box spring or frame is for extra height, correct?

I would say that you are correct, yes. At least, that platform frame would work with any major manufacturer, so it should be fine!

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Smithwick posted:

My wife has decided we need a new mattress. She sleeps hot and is looking for something that will work with that. She had done some research and has tentatively decided on the Saatva Latex Hybrid in a queen size. We are both side sleepers. I weight about 190 and she is about 120.

I’ve read through the last couple of pages of this thread and I didn’t read anything that would make me think this is a bad decision. Is there something I am missing or should be considering as alternatives?

Saatva makes some good stuff, but please keep in mind it'll likely be firm. From what little [indirect] experience I have with them, they tend to surprise folks with how firm they can be. A layer of latex that is 3 inches thick is insane, as most mattresses with it use 1 inch layers that they may stack. BeautyRest only uses half an inch in their Black line, even.

Seems like a solid enough mattress, with nothing that sets off alarm bells for a heat worry. In the ~$2k price range, there are a lot of options that may include cooling directly (e.g., Sealy High Point hybrids, or Serta iSeries/iComfort hybrids), and most products shouldn't sleep overly hot.

My biggest suggestion is to pay attention to what sheets and protector you use with whatever you get, because those play a strong role in overall microclimate.

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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:

Might just be because they are a franchise, I told my local mattress firm I shop the online purple sales constantly for like 4 years now and I still haven't pulled the trigger because my current mattress is still fairly new.

They told me not only would they match or beat any website deal but they'd throw in more swag and returns and stuff would go easier locally.

I was just glad to lay on one for a bit, but they always come out with new "better" versions and then they don't ever go on sale too much, $800 off 4k or whatever if I get a king and base isn't that amazing even. (That was like the best I saw for their newest product)

They throw in a lot of extra bedding and pillow stuff on some of those sales though!

There aren't that many franchises left; I think less than 10% of the total footprint are.

If they're corporate, they shouldn't be offering anything beyond what Purple offers, much like Tempur or Beautyrest Black... but if they are offering something silly, you can certainly get much more than you should. If you're not sure about what they're offering you, feel free to PM me and I'll give you my take on whatever they suggested they do.

For what it's worth, Purple hasn't really come out with any substantive revisions of their product since introducing them. They've changed the covers once, I think, in the last 4 years. They introduced a few new products (Plus, the Kids mattress, and they used their Intellibed acquisition to make Lux), but nothing really has changed with anything that already existed. I think that there may be some new covers coming soon, but I don't know for sure. I doubt they'll change the mattresses much, though.

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Otis Reddit posted:

Hello mattress thread. Is there an update to the OP? I imagine mattress tech and mattress best practices haven't evolved much in the last 3-7 years. But the market and cost may have?

I've considered doing a new thread, not sure if that'd be the way to go.

I'd love to get some feedback before deciding whether to do that or not.

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neogeo0823 posted:

For me, I scroll to the bottom of the OP and look at the last edited date stamp. If that's relatively recent, then everything's good. Even if you just edit the OP to include updated pricing and a line at the top calling out the edit, then that should suffice.

This isn't my thread, I just took it over. :ssh:

This started as a Tell thread, coincidentally posted by an old StarCraft 2 buddy of mine, I just popped in and stayed.

Chili posted:

I'm trying to figure out the best option for my kiddo. She's only 5, but I'm looking to get her a full mattress so I can lie down with her for storytime at night. After doing some poking, I'm not seeing anything consistent on the best way to go for kids. She currently sleeps on a purple twin mattress which she seems to like, but she's also 5 and would probably like anything. Is there any good consensus on what's best for kids?

There isn't a hard and fast rule for kids, unfortunately. At the end of the day, get something that you can tolerate hanging on on with her that won't murder your wallet more than you would like.

Otis Reddit posted:

Yeah, see, you guys get it. The date posted, then the last-edited date.

Are Amazon Basics worth it? Zinus Green Tea Memory Foam? Help?

They're OK products, but I wouldn't look at them for long term use. If you're looking for something to hold up for 1-5 years, it will likely do what you are looking for. If you're looking for a longer term solution, I don't know how highly I'd recommend it.

Right now, you're likely in the $500+ range to get a product that will outlast 5 years.

Synastren
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:

Is this the right place to ask about pillows?

I haven't bought new pillows for longer than I can remember, so the ones I'm using probably need replacing.

Where do I look for pillows these days? This definitely seems like a try in person thing.

What are the options? Down? Foam? Fancy foam?

Generally speaking, that's kind of a moving target that is a combination of your preference along with your mattress and sleeping position.
Thingies to consider:
  • The amount your shoulders sink in, and the consequent space between your head and the mattress.
  • Do you prefer more on top of the pillow or more of a cuddly pillow?
  • Do you want the pillow to be moldable, or do you want it to retain its shape?

Generally, the softer and fluffier the pillow, the less supportive it will be. Functionally, fluffier pillows are lower than their loft (read: height) would suggest.

The goal of a pillow is to fill in the gap between your head and the mattress to allow your spine to comfortably rest. The thickness required is based on how much of a gap their is, determined by the combination of your sleeping position and the buoyancy of the mattress. If you have a mattress that you stay very on top of and sleep on your side, you will likely need a relatively thick pillow. Conversely, a sinky bed for a stomach sleeper may necessitate a sliver of a pillow.

Material firmness is primarily a preference thing. Memory foam tends to be warmest unless it has cooling properties to make up for that.

I can give more pointed suggestions if I know more!

theHUNGERian posted:

Any mattress recommendations for a side sleeper? I currently have a 10-year-old Leesa that developed an indentation a while ago, so I am looking for a replacement.

Knowing nothing else, I'd aim for something medium-to-soft, particularly on top of the mattress. Don't trap yourself into thinking that softness dictates support. Find a mattress that feels like you're in a natural posture when on your side, and that you feel no pressure in major pressure points (e.g., hips, shoulders).

Synastren
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:

I'm primarily a stomach sleeper and prefer a fairly moldable pillow. I've always like the down pillows I've had for this.

My biggest issue is where to even find them. There are so few brick and mortar stores left I'm not sure where to check.

Any specialty mattress retailer around you (e.g., Mattress Firm, Sleep Outfitters, Sleep Number, Denver Mattress, etc.) should have some pillows to try in-store, but may not have something you can carry out.

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KillHour posted:

Where do I get high quality California King blankets and comforters that won't fall apart or be uncomfortable?

I don't really have a budget, because I don't really know what they should cost, if that makes sense.

On overall linens, I don't have any real preference, sorry! I have some suggestions for sheets and pillows, but not so much blankets, duvets, and comforters. If I had a more extensive education, I'd make recommendations. :smith:


Cobra Commander posted:

Hello goons. I am in need of a mattress. Queen sized for two side sleepers. The dog sleeps with us and is a big fluff and my partner and I are both hot sleepers. It also doesn’t help we live in Florida. I plan to head to a mattress store soon and try out a bed or ten. I’m willing to spend around $1500ish give or take a little on either side. I have extreme analysis paralysis when looking at online options including bed in a box considerations. Help!

There are a good few options. Remember to focus on breathability when selecting a mattress under $2k. Beds won't start getting dramatically cooler in general until that arbitrary price point.

Stoca Zola's observation about hybrids (i.e., tradtional coils topped with memory foam) is not unique to them, particularly in that $1k-ish range. You may be trading pressure relief for heat dissipation; you can compensate for that with smart accessorizing, though, so keep that in mind.

Without knowing more, aim for something medium-to-plush. It is important when side sleepers try beds, they focus on two major things: 1) no pressure points in hips and shoulders, and; 2) your back feels as if it is in a comfortable, natural position. Feel free to take a few minutes to try these out. It is often easy to quickly eliminate a wrong choice, but it takes some time to choose between the final two.

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Cobra Commander posted:

Very very appreciated, thank you. I hear that I can mitigate some heat with appropriate bedding so I’ll also look into those as well since there may be higher consideration for joint pressure than overall heat reduction.

I'll generally favor hybrids for folks who want a firmer-to-medium feel but require pressure relief.

Also, a quick protip: not all side sleepers are the same type of sleeper.
If you have someone who keeps their knees together, they're a true side sleeper.
If you have someone who kicks that top leg forward and rolls forward a bit, they're more of a hybrid stomach/side sleeper.
There are generally three reasons that type of sleeper exists: 1) they have a little snoring, and tilting forward makes breathing easier, or; 2) there is pressure on the hip, so they are rolling forward to be on that adductor muscle in front of the hip joint, or; 3) their hips are wide, and they have to tilt forward to remain comfortably on their side and not put pressure on their lower back.

If you or your partner are either 1 or 3, consider a mattress that has a zoned support, but be sensitive to if it pushes hips upward too much; that feels like a little bit of pressure just above the tailbone. If you or your partner are 2, consider going softer than you prefer.

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Cobra Commander posted:

Holy cow I see why you are the thread expert. Both my partner and myself are hybrid side sleepers. I will definitely keep this info in mind while shopping. Thank you very much, again.

I've sold beds for 7 years and am very good at my job for all the right reasons. :ssh:
The only reason that I haven't started an Ask thread is because I want it to be clear I'm not trying to sell stuff to anyone, and this thread kinda functions the same way.

KillHour posted:

Thanks for the honesty. I'd appreciate suggestions for sheets and pillows too if you have them!

Pillows are tricky, because they work alongside the mattress you're on. Broadly speaking, you have loft (height), fill (material inside), and firmness ( :unsmith: ). If you sleep on your side, for example, the height + firmness will change based on the width of your shoulder and the firmness of the mattress (how far your shoulder sinks)--and what you do with your arm (tuck vs not). Fill is mostly driven by preference.

For sheets, the biggest thing to remember is to avoid thread counts over ~600 if you get warm. You begin to trade heat dissipation for softness at that point. Similarly, try to keep the balance of polyester as low as possible in a cotton/poly blend. Some materials work better than others for cooling, and the best performing cooling sheets are likely intended to have a shorter lifespan.

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neogeo0823 posted:

Hey, Synastren, I recall when you started the thread, that you wanted to be able to recommend Purple mattresses, but couldn't because you hadn't had enough experience with them yet. Has that changed in the recent years? What are your thoughts on them now, if you've gained more knowledge?

I have good news and I have bad news.

The good news is I have quite a lot of experience with the original, hybrid, and premier hybrid lines, and what is now the Purple Lux line. The bad news is the old line (Original, Hybrid, Premier Hybrid) are effectively dead.

Short version is that they're solid. I don't think that they're objectively better or worse than most other products, just very, very different. They tended to be as divisive as Tempur when it came to folks trying them, with a very clear love-it-or-hate-it reaction. They're very cool, and they're extremely good at providing buoyant pressure relief that is easy to move around in. They're also exceptionally wiggly and feel like lying on a waterbed filled with jello, and incredibly heavy and floppy. They have all of the pressure relief of memory foam without any of the heat issues... and none of the motion isolation or cuddle feel.

They're so unique and different that you should definitely try to find a place to try them before purchasing, because you will know quickly if that product is wrong for you. And they're starting to show up in more and more locations, both throughout Mattress Firm, but also in more local and regional furniture stores.

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babydonthurtme posted:

Another question for Synastren, are Purple's adjustable bases worth checking out? We're planning to buy a king mattress + frame and considering going adjustable and wondering if it would be worth going for Purple with both. Also, have your recommendations wrt reliable adjustable bases changed?

Their new bases are made by Ergomotion, which makes some very good products.

The best widely available base right now is the Tempur ProSmart for a whole trove of poorly communicated reasons. I'm torn between trying to be transparent about its value but also be keenly aware of the competitive advantage of my company, but suffice it to say that after I did a deep dive into it I've been sorely tempted to replace my only-3-year-old base. The sonic oscillation in that base is incredible, and the most innovative thing in adjustable bases since zero clearance became A Thing.

Failing that, the Tempur bases are quite good for where their lumbar support is latitudinally located on the base--it will generally catch folks in the right place, no matter their sleeping position. Presumably, the Purple bases behave similarly, but there is no photographic evidence on Purple's website as to where that lumbar support is or how it moves. Further, I don't trust their advertised pillow tilt, because I couldn't see it and I sell these things for a living :shrug:

These new bases are head and shoulders above their previous complement though, so kudos to them for getting that big of an upgrade! The Ascent was overpriced, and the original base was... not my favorite. To put it mildly.

If you're going with a Purple mattress with a base, though, I'd strongly suggest getting something where the support structure is solid rather than a grid or mesh or anything. Purple's mattresses are among the heaviest in the industry, so you absolutely want to get something that will be able to support it, much less lift it easily. Anything with a lift capacity at or above 650 or 700 lbs in a queen should be ok from a lifting perspective, and anything with a solid support deck should be fine structurally. It really comes down to the features you want!

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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

So, I'm about to move to Canada for 1 year and I'm going to be on an air mattress until I can buy a bed. Any insights into mattress shopping in Canada? There is a SleepCountry store a 4 minute walk from my apartment, so I think I'll go there and lie on some until I find the firmness/softness that I like.

Most of the major players are the same between the US and Canada, as far as I know. Expect to see comparatively more BeautyRest, I think, and slightly less Sealy/Stearns & Foster, but otherwise, there isn't a huge disparity between US/CA.

Sleep Country is like Canada's Mattress Firm, but less dominant and ubiquitous.

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Sorry for the delayed response! I've been promoted, moved across the country, and my life has changed pretty significantly.

Nectar's return policy is that they will coordinate with you to donate your mattress to a local charity. Once that has happened, you furnish them a receipt, and they process your refund.

The only thing I can tell you about Siena is that it sure is a mattress. It's super cheap, and it will hold up for a couple of years, probably. I wouldn't be excited about it. :shrug:

Costco offers very competitive pricing on mattresses, but you can't try them there. You may be able to find the models they sell elsewhere to try first. And they definitely require an active membership to purchase.

I wish I had any context I could share about retailers in Canada, but unfortunately, that's a bit outside of my scope. I know Sleep Country is the company that Mattress Firm compares itself to sometimes, for whatever that's worth.

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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

Thanks for replying, and congrats on the big changes!

Today I went to Sleep Country and laid on a few mattresses. The four that I liked most are, in order of low cost to high ($ :canada: $):

$1499 - Simba 2500
$1699 - Casper Hybrid (yep, I re-read the article today and confirmed they have the same CEO)
$1699 - Sealy Posturepedic Plus Optimum Grand Gemma
$1849 - Serta Perfect Sleeper Elite Taryn

These are all queen size. Any thoughts or input on them?

The salesman mentioned that they were going to open another store 3 hours away, but it's not opening at the moment, so they had that location's display/floor models available for 30% off. Only one of each.

Tomorrow my cousin is driving me to Mattress Mattress, I'll do the Beducation thing and see what they have that I like.

They all seem like fine choices, honestly. It irks me how much more difficult it is to get actual specifications of these products compared to their US counterparts, though there aren't any direct comparisons. I'm a little bemused at a near luxury level Serta innerspring--they just don't make those in the US! Likewise, that Sealy is very strange compared to what's on offer here, but not entirely alien. For example, latex is basically exclusive to luxury products, whereas it seems like a common material in Canada. :shrug:

Regardless, none of those seem like bad choices from a quality standpoint. Pay close attention to how any pressure points react to prolonged laying in them, including support issues (i.e., your hips/shoulders, and more central areas like around your spine), and don't be afraid to take your time and lounge on your top couple of mattresses to confirm your choice.

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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

Well my cousin took me to Mattress Mattress on New Year's Eve, and I didn't love any of their products or their deals. Most of their inventory is a Canadian line called Kingsdown, the only one I liked was one of theirs called Cypruss Bay.

Also, their "Beducation" is a 5 minute demo of the various mattress materials. We did about half of it and then moved on to checking out mattresses:



Anyway, I went back to Sleep Country tonight and met up with the same sales rep. Revisited the same four I listed above, and in the end I felt the best about the Serta. Went with that plus a standard metal frame (I already have a headboard), plus a five inch boxspring/foundation. I think I made out okay, pricewise:

$1849 $1571 - Serta mattress
$159 - $127 - metal frame
$299 - $239 - 5" base
$99 - $49 - 10 year warranty
$59.99- Green Glove Delivery
$2045.99
+$102.30 - tax
$2148.29 in :canada:
~$1608 in :911:

I'm stoked! This is the first time buying myself a brand new bed :tootzzz:

Congratulations! It's an arduous purchase that no one enjoys going through.

I love the variations between the US and CA on some of that. The base would be called a foundation (fka box spring), and I've never in my life heard of "green glove" delivery. White glove and "red carpet" are the defaults here; green glove makes me think of gardening. Also, that Beducation thing makes me hurt a lot inside, because that seems like a thing that an industry insider would think is a great idea without doing any market testing at all. And that looks like a well kept Mattress Firm circa 2017, which isn't at all giving me deja vu.

Prices look pretty good to me, and the translation into USD helps me place that mattress more alongside what we carry here: a solid midrange not-quite-luxury mattress from a solid brand with comparably priced frame and foundation. Your sales tax is half of what I would reasonably expect in the US, though, which boggles my damned mind.

One question, though: what is the warranty? Is that a protector? If not, get one. Stateside, at least, all new mattresses come with a 10 year warranty without any additional hoops, which is good as long as the product isn't stained, soiled, or damaged.

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Scudworth posted:

Green glove means they take your old mattress and donate or recycle it

I was mostly referring to the difference in terminology. White glove is what that usually goes by in the States, is all!

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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

My delivery is today, and they're going to assemble it too. Should I consider tipping them?



Entirely up to you! It never hurts, but I don't know what the cultural expectations are there with respect to tipping delivery drivers. It varies wildly across the US. :shrug:

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Kylaer posted:

So two years ago I bought a Purple Hybrid 4 and it's great, it sleeps cooler than any mattress I've ever had. I like a soft mattress but if I were to do it again I'd probably get the 3 instead of the 4 because sometimes the 4 just feels too soft, it's extremely squishy. I hope it lasts me for a good many more years. If anyone is considering the Purple I give it a thumb's up.

I do want to buy a bed that isn't Amazon trash, though. I used a Zinus folding one for a while and it was alright, but I roll back and forth and the blanket has a tendency to migrate off the foot of the bed. I'd like something with a footboard higher than the mattress, doesn't need to be much higher, just a couple inches would keep my blanket in place. I'd like the platform to be at least 12-14 inches off the ground, to have some storage space underneath. If someone has a recommendation I'd appreciate it.

I wish I had good furniture recommendations, but I've been using an adjustable base for nearly a decade. I'd suggest one of those, but with a Purple hybrid, make sure you get one with a solid support, rather than a wire based thing. The wires will not hold up well over time with something of that weight. Honestly, I think it's time to just browse around for different platform beds until you find something you like! If it's less than $200, I'd move on.


meanolmrcloud posted:

I got a nectar ad for a split king with an adjustable frame, some sheet and stuff for right around 2k. I’ve heard that nectar isn’t the best, but it was effective at making me realize that I could absolutely spend in that ballpark for a bundle like that. Are there any other retailers beyond mattress firm I should be looking at? It doesn’t look like Costco has these bundles, which is my go to for big ticket items.

This depends entirely on where you live. In the several markets I've visited throughout the Midwest and South, Mattress Firm tends to have better customer service and similar pricing (sometimes better). If there are regional players that aren't garbage, they can be worth looking at; furniture stores will likely be not worth the effort of visiting, as they treat mattresses exactly the same as other furniture quite often, and lack training of specialty retailers. If you are interested in going to a Mattress Firm, feel free to DM me, and I'll see how helpful I can be in matching you up with someone who is highly regarded in your area!


Jyrraeth posted:

I have no idea where to look for pillows. Both me and my partner have been getting pretty bad neck/shoulder pain lately and I'm pointing towards pillows as a culprit. I'm in Canada and I honestly don't know where to go to look, either. More likely for me hating shopping but retail in Canada can be irritating.

I don't even know what kind to look for? I've personally tried fairly cheap versions of a normie cheap synthetic fluff pillow, a cheap Ikea feather down pillow (low pile) and an ergonomic foam pillow from Ikea as well. I sleep like a wiggly worm but I tend to settled into a side/belly position and my partner tends to sleep fully on his side.

I'm also suspecting that the gap between the headboard and mattress is swallowing them up but that one is an easier fix.

I'm willing to pay for something, but I'm pretty hesitant to spend more than $100CAD on a pillow if I'm not sure if it'll destroy my vertebrae. Last I looked at the bay they were remodelling and only had cheapy stuff OR the $250+ stuff and I'm really not ready to spend that sort of money unless I know it'll be a slam-dunk.

Keep in mind that your mattress and pillow work together, so looking at the pillow in a vacuum isn't necessarily going to solve everything. If you want to go super hard, go to a place like a Sleep Country and try to find a mattress on the showroom that feels like yours at home, and work to match a pillow that feels right. Also, if you explain that to whomever is working, I'm 99% sure they'll do their best to help you achieve that goal. As you try these pillows, pay attention to the pressure points you feel and see if you start to feel them. If you do within a minute or two, that pillow is also inappropriate.

Typically, where you feel your discomfort informs what changes you should look to make. If it's on the side that is closer to the mattress and higher up on your neck, likely your current pillow is pushing your head too high. If it's away from the mattress and further down, it's too low. This is generally true regardless of sleeping position.

As an aside, make sure you are using your pillow correctly! For standard shaped pillows, you want to pull the pillow down against your collarbone when you're on your side. On your back, an inch and a half (3 cm-ish) under your shoulders. And on your stomach, you'd either barely be using it, or you'd want to have it down to your upper chest. Utilizing your pillow in those ways helps to ensure that your neck stays in a natural position, minimizing discomfort the next morning!

Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

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Grumpwagon posted:

Can you say more about adjustable bases (or if you have a link to where you've said it before, I'm happy to go back and read)? I've heard you recommend them several times, and truth be told it's not something I've ever even considered. But we're in the market for a mattress and bed frame and for the first time probably have the budget for something that isn't just an ikea base. What are the advantages to adjustable bases? What price range should we be looking at for something like that? How do we determine what is a quality, durable base vs something that will fall apart? Reading back in the thread some, I see you mention the Tempur ProSmart. Would that work for other mattresses as well, or should it be paired with Tempurpedic only? Can you elaborate a bit more on what you like about it so much? Honestly, I've only ever seen adjustable bases in hospital beds and for very old people, so I'm open to one, but I'm surprised to hear how enthusiastic you are about them.

My enthusiasm for bases comes down to the fact that unlike mattresses, their utilization of physics pretty much makes them work similarly for everyone.

You've unlocked a big dump of information!

When you elevate the upper body beyond ~10 degrees or so, you do several things: you change the angle of the airway, which makes it more difficult to obstruct; you increase the slope of the esophagus, which makes it more difficult for stomach acid to escape; you may reduce muscle strain of the shoulders and neck. Essentially, raising the upper body can reduce the severity of snoring and acid reflux, and has the incidental benefit of feeling pretty nice.

When you elevate the feet to be at or above heart level, circulation to the lower extremities is enhanced, as gravity helps to pull blood back to the heart on offbeats. Incidentally, raising the legs alters the angle of the hips and pelvis, often reducing pressure in the lower back--sometimes even remedying experienced pain.

At minimum, I virtually always recommend an adjustable base that can elevate both head and feet. I prefer bases that have smooth settings (i.e., do not have specific heights they move to), as that allows each person or couple to find what elevation works best for them. And sleeping at least slightly elevated is pretty much always preferable to sleeping flat.

If your budget allows, additional features can be extremely handy. The current generation of Tempur bases have a lumbar/posture support which allows for a third part of articulation that hits roughly in the lower back/lower ribs (depending on how the person is lying down). This allows for higher comfortable elevation, as you can keep your posture more uniform, and allows even stomach sleepers to have their upper body elevated somewhat.

In more premium or luxury bases, there is also an oscillating massage. In virtually all products that have it, it is performed by a vibrating motor. At a lower frequency, those vibrations seem to increase capillary blood flow, which has two physiological effects: more efficient breakdown of lactic acid, and relaxation. Lactic acid is the primary culprit for muscle soreness, and is typically removed by blood from muscle tissue, so increasing circulation means a faster filtering process. Relaxation occurs because this circulation pattern is kind of the opposite of a fight-or-flight response: in fight or flight, blood is pulled into the circulatory system for more rapid deployment to whatever muscle groups require it. This oscillation more uniformly distributes said circulation, which typically has noticeable relaxation effects. When coupled with elevating the lower extremities, you can see some significant improvements in lower body circulation, which is 100% worth exploring with a physician for folks who have neuropathy in their feet (e.g., diabetics).

The ProSmart base is, to my knowledge, the only base that eschews mechanical oscillation for sonic technology. Effectively, motors are traded for subwoofers, which allows for greater control over both frequency (hertz aka vibration speed) and amplitude (volume aka strength), and even allows for a longer runtime of the massage feature. Additionally, using a sound system allows for bluetooth functionality for use with sleep/relaxation aiding noises and/or immersive sound experiences. You could, for example, play a thunderstorm soundtrack and actually feel the peals of thunder with the base. I've had people fall asleep while I was talking to them while showing that feature.

And that is to say nothing of the sleep tracking technology in the current Smart and ProSmart bases.

I currently use a last-generation Tempur base (the Ergo Extend), which has a few features I don't care about much. The mechanical massage is the best that I've seen on the market, and it lacks a posture support, so I'm strongly considering getting a ProSmart despite the relatively young age of my base.

When I look to gauge quality of an adjustable base for this thread, or for friends who ask my opinion, there are a few things I look for:
  • Lift capacity (strength of the motor). I would never recommend below 500 lbs per motor.
  • Deck construction. Get something solid if you want something to last. Wires will bend easily, but keep cost down.
  • Brand. Do I even know who makes it? Decent brands include, in no particular order: Legett & Platt, ErgoMotion, TempurPedic, Mantua, Glideaway, Reverie.

If you have something specific in mind, I'm always happy to take a look and give my opinion!

quote:

Beyond the base, any general mattress recommendations for a side sleeper and a mostly front sleeper? I assume it will mostly come down to what feels good, but from what I've read here in the past, we'res a tough combination since you generally want softer for side and firmer for front, so I'd love some suggestions on where to start. The last bed we had was an older Leesa, which worked well until recently, when the support really collapsed and it is now unbearably squishy. As for budget, we're further along in our careers now than last time we were looking for a bed, so we're in a position where we're able to spend a decent amount for a quality product now (within reason, I'm not bringing home a $10k bed).

Honestly, that's really hard to answer with only that information. Short version is you will probably be OK with a medium firmness hybrid. :shrug:

We can talk more privately if you want my specific recommendations. I would also point you in the direction of the MattressMatcher that Mattress Firm* has on the website. Whether you wish to pursue those specific options or not is irrelevant, as you could look for products carried by other retailers which are similar to what is recommended to you.

*Reminder: I am employed by Mattress Firm and have been for quite some time. I've done a lot of competitive research over the years, but my knowledge base is rooted in products we've carried for the last decade or so. I have never tried to sell things specifically to folks here!

Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

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Amara posted:

Synastren (or anyone else with experience with these things) do you have thoughts on active cooling for beds?

I've been using a chilipad/ooler for several years now and really enjoy it. I put it up to nice and toasty before I get into bed so that I can have warm covers and then set it to cool which lets me both have the weight of a blanket but not wake up overheated and sweaty.

I'm thinking about upgrading my sleeping setup since my hip on the side I sleep on is starting to give me issues at night, waking me up sometimes.

I've never heard of adjustable bases before now but they seem like they might help to put a divot where my hip is or make back-sleeping more comfortable. But I also might just get a new mattress.

And if I get a new mattress I've been looking at the "TEMPUR-ActiveBreeze® Smart Bed" which is a bed with heating/cooling built in, except that it's air-based rather than water-based. It's mad crazy expensive though and I can't find reviews that really compare it to other active cooling systems like the ooler, eight sleep, etc. They also don't appear to be in all show rooms that have tempurpedics. Plus to get a feel for the heating/cooling I feel like I'd really have to actually sleep in it.

Anyone try this bed? Or have tried the other cooling systems like eight sleep to give me a sense of them vs the OG chilipad/ooler?

Active climate control in a mattress is a Sisyphean pursuit, it feels. There have been a few iterations of the concept that I'm aware of, and they've either completely failed, or they're so incredibly expensive that they're rarely purchased. Of them, the Active Breeze that Tempur makes is about the only one that I trust, but the only place you can try it is in a TempurPedic flagship store; if you have one locally, just call and ask if they have it for you to try. Essentially, the concept is so difficult that, to many in the industry, "active cooling" refers mostly to phase change material as a component in the product.

When you try to combine active climate control with a sleep system, the scope of the product increases severely: you've combined a machine (a heating/cooling machine!) with a mattress and its support (adjustable or flat). Something either needs to be compromised (usually the quality of the mattress) to keep costs down, or the price exceeds the vast majority of the market (Active Breeze). When you introduce after market cooling, like the Eight Sleep, you can pull apart the thermal machine from the sleep system--but often, like with anything else on top of a mattress, the feel of the mattress can be altered pretty dramatically. While toppers tend to make mattresses feel softer, cooling surfaces tend to make mattresses feel harder.

As far as trying it, I know Tempur has a pretty solid comfort trial on all of their other products, but I would 100% consult the local store to see how Active Breeze fits into that guarantee.

Also, you could keep your current mattress and just get a base, most likely. If you want to know if it is compatible and you can't easily find an answer, just give me the name and I'll find out for you, if you're interested!

Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

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Amara posted:

I have an Avocado latex mattress currently-- I did in fact mean to ask: does this mattress even work with adjustable bases?

As far as I can tell, any Avocado mattress is compatible with any adjustable base!

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KodiakRS posted:

So I'm in the market for a new bed and made the mistake of trying out a Tempur probreeze hybrid with the fancy prosmart base with and now I'm very tempted to spend $7,000 on a bed with adjustable frame. Whoops.

Does anyone here (Synastren?) have experience with the whole built in speaker thing? Specifically will the noise from the subwoofers be audible to the people in the apartment beneath me? I use white noise generators a bit (fan, AC, rain noise, ect) and the idea of having one built into my bed sounds pretty awesome but not if it pisses off my neighbors.

One of the reasons I'm looking at the probreeze is because I get pretty hot while sleeping. This means I sweat a lot which has lead me to using a mattress protector to prevent my mattress from getting a gross sweat stain over time. Are there any good mattress protectors that won't negatively impact the cooling properties of the mattress? I also need sheet recommendations but I'm assuming there are plenty in this thread deeper in the scrollback.

I have bad news for you: that mattress is good.

I have worse news for you: I'm about to buy a ProSmart base myself because it is legitimately the most innovative thing I've seen in the industry in my whole time in it. :shrug:

On the upside, if you do go that route, the instant gift offer on any Tempur is plenty to cover even their own cooling protector. The best cooling protectors that I have any experience with are the Tempur Breeze (what a surprise), Sleepy's Cooling Knit, Bedgear Ver-Tex, PureCare Frio, and basically anything that is tencel or rayon (from bamboo optional). If you are on the heavier side (over 250), I'd suggest to go with a tencel or rayon protector based on the anecdotal evidence of my larger friends' and colleagues' experience.

Tempur's sheets are great; Purple's sheets are great. Whatever you do go with, ensure they're either stretchy or fit somewhat loosely on your Tempur, otherwise you may compromise the comfort of the mattress. If you get microfiber and/or high thread counts (> 600), you're going to sweat your rear end off, no matter what mattress you get!

quote:

I travel for a living which means sleeping in a lot of different hotel and aircraft beds. While all these beds are different they're all more or less flat. How hard is it to switch between an adjustable bed and flat beds on a regular basis?

Oh, that's easy. You're hosed.

Travelling is much more difficult when your setup at home is extremely good for you. And I've now been sleeping elevated for 7 years, so travelling sucks rear end. You will certainly be able to sleep, but you'll be looking forward to that room at home so bad.

Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

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SpeedFreek posted:

Memory foam vs latex foam?

My memory foam mattress (medium firm) is wearing out and the cat had some accidents on it. I slept well on it and am not against getting a new one but have heard latex foam is even better, is this true? If it matters I am 50% side sleeper and 25% back or stomach.

They do different things. Memory foam is foam--you are likely at least somewhat familiar with it.

Latex foam is rubber that is molded into a foam-like material. It's bouncy, it's springy, it's heavy.

In either case, you're unlikely find a mattress that is 100% of either material, though you are more likely to find an all latex mattress with a hefty price tag and huge weight.

The short version is that latex is quite often firm. Memory foam can be incredibly soft or remarkably firm or anywhere in between. There is no "better," though, only "different."

Synastren
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KodiakRS posted:

I now have a bed and adjustable base that cost more than most of the vehicles I've ever owned. :toot: I have some purple sheets that should be here next week sometime but what do I do about a blanket? I can't really claim to have a preference aside from something breathable but also warm. I was thinking of just getting a cotton duvet cover with a down insert from Ikea but if there are better options I'm all ears.

Congratulations! I expect you'll feel a noticeable improvement in a few weeks! Please note that there is an adjustment period, regardless of the mattress!

I literally have a faux-down Ikea insert inside of a cover so... do that, I guess? :imunfunny:

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Synastren
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Kylaer posted:

I found a place that would sell me a semi-custom wooden bed (basically one of their regular designs but with a symmetric headboard at each end instead of a headboard and footboard), so both ends are about 6 inches higher than the mattress. Only slept on it one night so far but seems solid.

Need some new sheets, the Purple sheets I got with my mattress are nice enough so I might get more of those, but the Cali King aren't actually Cali King sheets, they're King sheets that just stretch to fit :v:

Glad you found something that worked!

Yeah, Purple does that because the difference in overall size between King and Cal are relatively minor, and their sheets are hella stretchy. They also have twin/twin XL and I think they even do (or used to, at least) full/queen!

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