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CommissarMega posted:I've always heard it said that the First Amendment only stops the government from censoring whatever you say, and even then it's kind of limited in that regard (i.e. if I work from a Congressman and call him a shithead on Facebook, I can still get canned). As far as I know, Google is a private organization and can lawfully ban or censor anything that doesn't agree with their corporate values or harm their bottom line. It's not censorship, per se, just capitalism.  There's quite a bit of talking past each other on this point. People who are advocates of free speech find some recent behavior, such as Twitter throttling some political content or Facebook blocking news from certain websites, to be contrary to the ideals of a free and open exchange of ideas. The response is typically "Free Speech only means the First Amendment and that doesn't apply to private companies!" While this is correct, it's also a strawman since the principles of free speech extend beyond its specific mention in the American constitution. People are not arguing that Google can't try to financially strangle political viewpoints it doesn't like, but that it shouldn't in order to preserve an open exchange of ideas.The hardest part of free speech is advocating for the rights of the abhorrent. (Actual) racists and anti-semites are the canary in the coal mine - as long as they're able to speak, then we know the unpopular are also able.
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Wait no it doesn't free speech literally only exists in the government sense. Free speech as you are talking has never existed, will never exist, and should never exist. The 90% of the time people decrying freedom of speech being censored are only against it when it's against them or it means someone isn't actively supporting them. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Added Space posted:
Which is in turn a strawman since, once again, that isn't what free speech protects. People on the internet seem to believe that there should be no consequences for what they say, which isn't helpful or part of a free exchange of ideas. The key to free speech is limitation on prior restraint, which is to say that you shouldn't be prevented from speaking based on what you might say. But in many of the cases of someone losing a platform on the internet or in real life they've had the opportunity to speak many times; what they say and how they say it is very well established. Twitter isn't restricting a free exchange of ideas for getting rid of Milo Yianopolos any more than the government would be restricting the free exchange of ideas by telling you you can't call your ex at three in the morning to drunkenly threaten them. You have to stand behind your words, which can be tough when your words exist to incite an angry mob.
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Woops this was meant for the internet critic thread
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RottenK posted:Take this poo poo to D&D. Have to second cause the political derail was exactly what killed the last thread and I'd rather not have this thread get gassed at only two pages for the same reason.
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Asehujiko posted:It got buried in the nazi debate last time so I'll recommend it again, age of empires 2 pro TheViper is doing a blind playthrough of the campaigns on his youtube channel. He's incredibly skilled at the game but only rarely plays singleplayer campaigns so his "meta" knowledge is somewhat lacking, leading to some funny situations. These are fantastic so far, the dude has mad skills and, somehow, simultaneously, is constantly missing things. I've only gotten through two campaigns so far and he's already lost one of the easiest missions and beaten what's often considered the hardest (Paris, which is more of a QTE than a mission) on his first try. edit: aand on the last mission of France he goes through all of his own hero units like butter by not taking care of them. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Laurentheflute is a... charming streamer. She's not great at games, taking a hell of a lot longer time than most, or indeed all, people would, and is a vidcam person as well. What sets her out, though, is her utter earnestness and sincerity - which sounds really dumb to like, but really, really works.
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I'll admit to following Markiplier's channel. I mostly got into it for the Subnautica, Happy Wheels, and FNAF videos, but it's grown on me. He's relatively benign as a person too. It's not great, but like, sometimes you just want a lovely greasy-rear end burger, so you get a burger for lunch.
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He certainly can be one of the less offensive "no inside voice" youtube stars. Plus he's a really nice person who is grateful for his fanbase and respects them and also isn't a fuckin neo-nazi.
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CJacobs posted:He certainly can be one of the less offensive "no inside voice" youtube stars. Plus he's a really nice person who is grateful for his fanbase and respects them and also isn't a fuckin neo-nazi. We were literally reminded not half a page ago to stop bringing up politics FFS. I like this thread, I always enjoy more LPer recommendations. Speaking of, I quite enjoy HellfireComms. https://www.youtube.com/user/HellfireComms They've been active for about nine years and are currently mid-way through an LP of Simpsons Hit and Run.
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GoneRampant posted:We were literally reminded not half a page ago to stop bringing up politics FFS. I like this thread, I always enjoy more LPer recommendations. Saying whether or not someone is a Nazi isn't politics.
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CJacobs posted:He certainly can be one of the less offensive "no inside voice" youtube stars. Plus he's a really nice person who is grateful for his fanbase and respects them and also isn't a fuckin neo-nazi. He's a bit too screamy, I agree. I've learned to tolerate it. He seems like a nice person too, though a little unsure of what he's doing at times.
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I don't mind the political chat so much in the context of discussing Youtube LP's and the like if it's relevant (like how the PewDiePie / Jontron stuff has affected their subscribers/views/other gigs/whatever). Just be civil and calm about it and don't go straying off the topic of this thread.
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FredMSloniker posted:and they managed to survive the cardinal sin of linking to an in-progress YouTube LP Hang on, why is this a sin? This is the first time I've heard that.
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If there's one thing I hate about non-SA Youtube LPs these days that doesn't involve Nazis is the lame "Stream-dumps" from Twitch that are all the rage these days. Those videos that have the chatbox/donation cup taking up half of the screen and obnoxious "_______ has subscribed" textboxes running across at random intervals.DGM_2 posted:Hang on, why is this a sin? This is the first time I've heard that. "No Youtube dumps" is EDIT: Found it from the Rules thread posted:No YouTube dumps, no reposts! GenderSelectScreen fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Markiplier has also tried branching out into stuff other than LPs. He did a CYOA video series that goes in some....interesting directions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyU_1JD2wuA
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If you want someone who plays a bunch of horror games but doesn't constantly mug for the camera and scream,
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From usual to unusual - HCBailly "I play classic JRPGs, like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, & others in a walkthrough commentary format. Main LPs are usually uploaded daily and publish at 7am CST/CDT. When I have a side LP, I usually upload the episodes every other day and publish them at 7pm CST/CDT." Pretty much it. He is upbeat, well researched, and releases on a regular schedule. No brilliant points, but no glaring weaknesses. A real 7/10. Deceased Crab He used to post on SA, but I assume there was some drama and now he's mostly on youtube. He focuses more on obscure and independent titles. He's best known for his series on La Mulana. Ricky Royal His main series is "Box of Delights", where he details and does demo playthroughs of board games. He's got a very soft spoken English voice and is very soothing to listen to.
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Samovar posted:Laurentheflute is a... charming streamer. She's not great at games, taking a hell of a lot longer time than most, or indeed all, people would, and is a vidcam person as well. What sets her out, though, is her utter earnestness and sincerity - which sounds really dumb to like, but really, really works.
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chitoryu12 posted:Markiplier has also tried branching out into stuff other than LPs. He did a CYOA video series that goes in some....interesting directions: Yeah, he seems to be branching out into film and acting in general, which is an interesting (though difficult) direction. I still prefer his games work, though.
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Forgall posted:Her Undertale videos are really great for that very reason. She stopped once to pull out a flute and play along with the soundtrack, which is about the most Undertale thing I can think of.
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YggiDee posted:She stopped once to pull out a flute and play along with the soundtrack, which is about the most Undertale thing I can think of. That's adorable. I should check out her Undertale stuff, Dark Souls is okay but she literally inches towards progress which gets a bit exhausting to watch.
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Game Grumps are doing a small series just now on recent PS4 game Everything and seem to be having their minds blown for the entire duration. It's really interesting to listen to a couple of normally goofy and vulgar dudes discussing existentialism in their own shaky sort of way, while still making jokes about public urination and the like.
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Added Space posted:Deceased Crab It's funny you'd bring up DC since the first episode of La Mulana was posted 10 years ago today. Time really does fly.
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Dias posted:That's adorable. I should check out her Undertale stuff, Dark Souls is okay but she literally inches towards progress which gets a bit exhausting to watch. You should. Her playstyle means that some games can be... well, very, very lengthy.
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This doesn't have much to do with LPs but this seems to've been the Post Youtube poo poo Here thread for a long time now so: Youtube continues to poke the beehive by randomly demonetizing dozens of videos from many high-ranking/performing youtubers  
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Yep, that's part of the fall out over the Jontron debacle. Google ramped up their "financially strangle anyone whose politics might upset others" plan, and it highlighted one of the problems. Once you cast the tuna net, you're going to start pulling in dolphins. They also instituted a hilarious parental block system which might as well be a blanket ban on anything that isn't a commercial. Let's Plays are probably still fine until their creator gets a Nazi swastika pinned to them; they're pretty much ads already.
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Who knew saying poo poo like "Rich blacks will commit more crimes then poor whites" would have some sort of fallout.
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And nothing of value was lost.
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Yeah let's be honest, unless you actually work for the website, only an idiot would rely on YouTube for their livelihood. This is just natural selection.
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Ha, I only just noticed the title, nice.
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David D. Davidson posted:Yeah let's be honest, unless you actually work for the website, only an idiot would rely on YouTube for their livelihood. This is just natural selection. That's a pretty poo poo way to think on some people randomly having their work invalidated and some deal of income up and yanked out of their hands.
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It's almost like this youtube thing was a huge, unsustainable bubble. Weird, never could have guessed that.
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At this stage you're better off relying on Patreon or direct donations anyway. Relying on ad revenue is wonky as gently caress considering how god drat chaotic Youtube can be.
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The flute lady's videos are fun, thanks for talking about her. I like to see people react to interesting events in games with good, or at least strange enough to be interesting, stories. Not screamy facecam OH MY GOD GUYS stuff, more along the lines of discussing their opinions and interpretations of what's happening and actually paying attention to the game. Any recommendations?
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I started watching a playthough of Spyro the Dragon done by a guy named AntDude. It's pretty basic but also fairly inoffensive, it's on his Let's Play channel if anyone is interested.
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I like to watch ShyGuyExpress (MetroidMST) for Super Metroid romhacks, though he's started to fall into the "stream-dumping" that I don't like.
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Yardbomb posted:That's a pretty poo poo way to think on some people randomly having their work invalidated and some deal of income up and yanked out of their hands. I mostly agree, but considering how crazy YouTube's been recently, something was bound to happen. I think Mega64's right- if you want to make a living from YouTube, places like Patreon are the way to go, along with massive promotion efforts.
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