The Day I Became a Witch - Let's Play Umineko Chiru

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curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Bernkastel's smiles are unnerving.

eta: Krauss isn't listed in the bodies or alive in the parlor.

curiousCat fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 18, 2017

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 03:44

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:58

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Probably only if it's specified to. Like how it's specified that Kinzo being dead is "true across all game boards".

# ¿ Mar 18, 2017 22:18

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

The personal guard of Maria. Definitely the ceramic rabbits.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 21:45

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

I guess we got it in thread. L O R D U is still a bit tough, but... doesn't it just seem like directions, mostly? Left, ???, Right, Down, Up.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2017 15:59

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

It's a complisult.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2017 17:41

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Feel good, prof.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2017 19:22

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

FrantzX posted:

I am the only one who has noticed that Beatrice is now using blue truth instead of red?

She no longer controls the game board.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 23:39

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

I love her.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2017 23:01

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

If Natsuhi is not the killer, and everyone else has an alibi, then we're left with only one scenario:
There were no murders that night.

...right?

# ¿ Apr 16, 2017 06:42

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Seriously, though. So much of this red truth is devoted to establishing alibis. So we've got to accept them. And unless Krauss did it (doubtful), then we have to conclude that the people in thread shouting "PHRASING!" were absolutely right -- nobody would've mistaken the corpses for alive, because they were alive, there was no mistake.

But... that would seem to involve the culprit of this case being... everyone but Krauss and Natsuhi somehow???

Editing to add: Battler is the character whose viewpoint we can trust, supposedly, but that's meta-Battler. Not a piece-Battler that was under Bernkastel's control for the rest of the game. So we can't trust... any scenes from anyone? Or, more likely, we can trust Natsuhi scenes to an extent. Did she ever see either of the first two crime scenes? The bodies were gone by the time she got to the guesthouse. Did she go to check on Genji herself? If not, we have no credible witness to any body but Hideyoshi's.

curiousCat fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Apr 16, 2017

# ¿ Apr 16, 2017 07:51

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

MonsterEnvy posted:

We can trust Erika scenes apparently.

According to who? Erika? Bernkastel?

# ¿ Apr 16, 2017 08:29

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

CottonWolf posted:

Unless we want to hypothesise a witch, I can only see 3 possibilities, and I can't even follow the third through to a solution, though it seems important.

4. No crime was committed last night. Literally everyone but Natsuhi and Krauss was in on it. This would also explain why Erika and Eva discussed ways to make the alibis solid, and decided to use the seals. If they create the illusion that something happened, then they can claim ailbis for a crime that didn't occur. This is the only way I can see that literally everyone has an alibi.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2017 19:35

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

"All deaths were homicides".

And if there were no deaths, then there were no homicides. Nothing happened that night. I don't know how, or why, but if everyone has an alibi, this is it. I know I sound crazy here but, like... this just sounds right to me.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2017 21:11

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

CottonWolf posted:

It'd be a neat dodge, but it has two problems.

1. George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji really are dead. So you then have to explain how they died later.
2. With a conspiracy so grand that literally EVERYONE has to be in on it, you get the problem that Battler both has to have been involved in the murders but not be capable of explaining how they were done before the court. Unless you want to hypothesis that Battler is the only person who doesn't know, but then you have explain why the hell all the cousins and Rosa are willing to get into elaborate stage makeup to trick Battler before getting murdered by persons unknown.

1. Culprit [x] killed them later, at some point. Doesn't matter when, just that they are killed before now. Hell, they were poisoned during breakfast, I don't know. It doesn't matter. As long as they weren't killed last night, why would it matter?

2. The conspiracy did not include the murders. Fake deaths, no murders. The actual deaths were caused later by someone involved in the original conspiracy without actually informing the others.

edit: also, the difference between Meta-Battler and piece-Battler.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2017 22:16

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

I don't remember who said it, but the goal here, in this game, appears to be "punish Natsuhi". And I think it's reasonable to assume at the very least, of the adults, they would all easily be willing to go in on something that would make Natsuhi admit guilt.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 01:44

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

A conspiracy to get Natsuhi to admit to what happened 19 years ago. No matter what the cost, at least for one of the group.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2017 18:32

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

thetruegentleman posted:

Uh oh, Battler was only monitored by Erika until he screamed, at which point she ran off to look at all the tape, so she never actually bothered to check that someone was dead at the time Battler actually screamed: her entire theory is bunk if Battler has a second personality to make his thoughts unreliable, or if he ran out of the room to find help.

Or if he screams as part of a conspiracy.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2017 22:24

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Unless whoever (Kanon?) did kill Hideyoshi, which seems plausible.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2017 04:53

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

tiistai posted:

Hang on, let me get this theory straight. So, in this conspiracy scenario Eva now honestly believes Natsuhi murdered Hideyoshi despite being the one who framed her in the first place? Why doesn't she suspect people like Kanon who knew about the plan? Why did they, Eva in particular, leave Natsuhi in the closet if they knew she was there and had killed a person?

The first twilight is a conspiracy. Everyone but the murderer believes that everyone who was "killed" is simply in hiding. Hideyoshi's killing is NOT part of this conspiracy, and is the only real body that anyone has seen.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2017 19:10

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

CottonWolf posted:

Oh yeah. The stuff the survivors families got, right?

E: That doesn't rule out the number having significance too though.

On the contrary, it might increase the chance of it having significance. People do that with important passwords all the time.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 22:10

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

How many avatars does witch-chat have planned, what the heck?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 22:06

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

This looks like it's calling out S=K but I think ya'll are skipping something real important here.

ProfessorProf posted:

"...To become the Golden Witch, one must solve the epitaph of the gold. And this trial cannot be skipped, not even by Beatrice herself..."

In other words, the epitaph was already solved before anythin on the island actually happened. Someone else already is the successor, someone else controls the gold. Sayo has solved the epitaph?

# ¿ May 5, 2017 21:50

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

idonotlikepeas posted:

That should be obvious from previous stories, but if Sayo (I guess I'll stick with Sayo for now?) is Beatrice, she's also solved the epitaph and been to the golden land. Where else would she get that money? Maybe that's how she gets the other servants on her side, too. She's technically the head of the family, since Kinzo is dead. That seems like the sort of thing that would matter to Genji, for instance.

The only "other servants" in this case would be Genji and Kumasawa -- two people we already are assuming are close to Beatrice. So I absolutely agree with you, the servants minus Gohda have always been with Beatrice.

# ¿ May 5, 2017 22:48

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

ZiegeDame posted:

Rudolf and Kyrie both die at the start of the first two games. Their death is even confirmed in red for the first game. But I can counter this twisted logic that even lead you down this path. The reason post-Ep-3 Eva won't talk about what really happened on that island is whatever else happened, she absolutely detective-saw-it-for-sure shot Battler dead. She is a murderer. If she tried to tell a mostly true story about what happened, but lie about the bit where she killed her nephew in cold blood, there's always the chance some evidence will be found that contradicts whatever story she told, raising suspicion. Better to not say anything and wait until the cops find something to worry about lying to cover your rear end.

At this point, everyone has died in one of the games. none of them are stated to be explicitly true. In fact I think all of them have to be false except possibly episode 3, though it still seems likely that everything is non-canon after... the first dinner, really.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 02:03

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

ZiegeDame posted:

The Detective has never once seen Kanon's dead body.

Episode 1?

# ¿ May 6, 2017 07:09

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Please let Battler have killed Erika. Please.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2017 19:58

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

I think that Lambda's description there is by far the scariest thing in the entire games so far.

# ¿ Jun 19, 2017 22:00

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Qrr posted:

I still am suspicious of S=K because of how hard it was pushed. So what are the odds that someone else is Kanon? We know Battler isn't via red, but what about one of the other people in the same room as Shannon?

Before this episode, that was literally labeled a confession, how hard was it pushed?

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 21:24

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

A "miracle" was mentioned. So... what would count as a miracle?
- Ange attends the family conference
- There are no murders at the family conference
- Eva accepts Shannon and George's love (This one is probably wrong, it doesn't feel like it impacts enough things)

Or, maybe if we're going really far back...
- Natsuhi accepts cliff-baby and cliff-baby never becomes such

Are there any other things we could count as a "miracle" as this author's intended? Like, one in a million shots.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 20:19

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Oh right also I guess another miracle could be the Beatrice that Rosa found doesn't die?

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 02:20

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

I'm just happy that "explosion" guess from forever ago has been at least hinted to be correct because of the profiles. Makes me think I'm not terrible at the mysteries.

Lion is adorable and sweet and probably doomed.

# ¿ Jul 5, 2017 18:03

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

That... actually makes a lot of sense to me? Alternatively the Kanon we know could even be based off a former servant.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 18:35

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

It definitely seems like this isn't a proper gameboard, more like... Bern took a bunch of scenarios and squashed all the pieces together, then called it a real scenario. If that makes sense? Like a homebrew "Betrayal at House on the Hill" haunt.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 21:58

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Beatrice C is cute.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2017 19:46

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

oath2order posted:

Ultimately, people in umineko are, time and time again, asked to make the hard but good choice. And almost always, they reject it.

Except for the cousins.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2017 20:11

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

yeah, happy bday, mine's only a couple days off yours (tomorrow)

# ¿ Jul 16, 2017 18:41

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Lion doesn't seem nb to me, just... tired of questions. And I guess it makes sense with being the successor and looking androgynous.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2017 20:52

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Have we heard anything about Lion's toes? It's possible Sayo could've noticed sharing polydactyly with Kinzo, right?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2017 03:09

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Prof, you're good. We believe in ya, take a break if you need it.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 01:11

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:58

curiousCat: Sep 23, 2012; Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Getting possessed by your own imaginary friend is odd. Just seems like MPD to an untrained eye, anyway.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2017 12:07

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