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the second half of the Christopher Lloyd 2-parter opens with coach describing the previous episode and coach-ing it all up but there's no laugh track and it makes the whole thing bleak and awful instead of funny *picture of the artist and Diane flirting* coach: I'm worried! .....I can't remember where my daughter lives! 
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lmao sam shot he own rear end
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Mar 22, 2019 02:07
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this show has gotten so much better so quickly
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Mar 22, 2019 02:08
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can you imagine a world where kelsey grammar didn't secretly murder nicky colasanto in '85 to earn a more prominent role on Cheers?
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Mar 25, 2019 01:08
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spoiling a 35 year old show because it took me by surprise but fras pulling a gun on sam after getting back from Italy was super weird Of course after that Frasier just becomes a sad sack doing Charlie Work for the bar and the show just....keeps going. Later that night when falling asleep I put Frasier on and it was the episode with Diane Chambers, and the whole scene where he's freaking out in Niles' office makes so much more sense. "You...DID tell her how that made you feel, didn't you?"
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Mar 28, 2019 15:48
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the best lil joke in that episode is in the play when ned/norm walks in and gets a "hey ned" from play-sam then the Diane character walks in and the whole bar shouts "mary anne!"
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Mar 28, 2019 17:05
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then it gets dark
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Mar 29, 2019 00:41
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Darthemed posted:Insufficient romping in the fens and spinneys. *pops a series of balloons with increasing panic*
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Mar 30, 2019 07:47
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hey cool it's time for my monthly "mel is godawful literally from the first scene she is introduced in, you guys talking about her 'becoming a villain' are fuckin' nuts" post
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Apr 8, 2019 22:26
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also donny was totally cool in every episode he was in, like he even dropped the lawsuits after a solid 22 minutes, and his resolution/failed courthouse wedding is a much better and funnier coda to being left at the altar than frasier "well i guess i'll just go back to the bar and see everyone almost every night and literally not have any emotional resolution to this until a decade later in an entirely different sitcom" crane
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Apr 8, 2019 22:28
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Calaveron posted:Sherry or Daphne's mom, which is the worst human being what the gently caress, daphne's mom by far sherry was just a goofball
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May 1, 2019 22:36
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simon is a trash person but he's pretty fun in several episodes just for how effortlessly he riles frasier while martin still pals around with him
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May 3, 2019 16:26
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donnie was great all the time, treated daphne like a saint, helped niles get out of total destitution during his divorce to maris, and humored frasier more than most people would bother just because he reacts to getting super frasier'd in a more human way than frasier did does not make him a bad person at all, imo, although obviously they turn him into someone who is perpetually hung up on daphne for a throwaway joke later
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May 3, 2019 20:07
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somebody should make a 16-bit adventure game where you're the crane boys trying to solve a mystery while hosting a dinner party and your overall score is based on how long each of the guests stays
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May 3, 2019 21:05
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nuclear take: the garage episode is....good and funny
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May 8, 2019 05:41
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Timby posted:The early seasons of Frasier have a lot of gay panic (the second-season episode with the gay KACL manager, who Frasier tries to hook up with Daphne without realizing that the manager is trying to bone Frasier, comes to mind), which thankfully got toned down as the show went on. I think it's a huuuuge stretch to convey anything in that episode as "gay panic", everyone is fine with the station manager being gay and Roz only lets Frasier dig himself a huge hole leading him on because he was being a dick to everyone. Frasier was the butt of all the jokes because of the misunderstanding, nobody was making fun of gay people or homosexuality. If anything I'd say the later episode where Martin pretends to be gay so Frasier can get a date is worse because it leans far more on stereotypes (and the entire premise is Frasier-creep as gently caress).
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May 8, 2019 15:12
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WampaLord posted:The point that it would be worse if they had left that out is kind of my whole point. Tacking on a disclaimer doesn't make the basic premise of the comedy any less homophobic. as a man who is into dick that has watched all of frasier several times i again must disagree that the comedy in it is homophobic, the closest time being the opera episode with martin i mentioned earlier. the only trans* joke i can remember off the top of my head is also a little cringeworthy but not actually transphobic - "what about your brother niles?" "he's abroad now" "eeesh, that must've hurt" - it's straight up empathizing with someone he assumed had transitioned, even though it's blunt and ineloquent out of the four episodes that deal with mistaken sexuality, literally zero of them make it into a punchline at all, and all of the gay characters are presented as respectable (and generally handsome AF). compare this to friends episodes from like, years later. having so many out gay actors on the show really, really informed frasier for the better and it weakens media criticism to just throw around claims of homophobia when the text really doesn't support it at all (especially if you go "well the fact that the text doesn't support it makes it worse") Bloodplay it again posted:The first season of Cheers had the episode called The Boys in the Bar where one of Sam's baseball buddies comes out of the closet and everyone is worried Cheers is gonna turn into a gay bar. It was nominated for a primetime emmy as well as an AGLA (Alliance for Gay and Lesbian Artists) and WGA award, winning the latter two. this episode is kind of painful to watch these days and it really sucks that diane is 10000% in the right the whole time when she's such a gratingly annoying, generally wrong person for the rest of the series
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WampaLord posted:I was talking about Seinfeld specifically in that example, my man. good christ i'm dumb sometimes 
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Calaveron posted:Man remember how niles kept giving Maris the time of the day after their divorce like a big stupid idiot simp lmao and it implicated him in a drat murder ahahha
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May 10, 2019 00:12
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Dinner at Eight Ish is a fun episode of Cheers and starts a long tradition of Crane dinner parties. Then immediately following it is an episode with John Cleese where Frasier does his Yum-Yum role from The Mikado (later referenced in the episode with Bulldog’s pranks and the lizard).
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May 20, 2019 21:30
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with very few exceptions daphne and niles together were really fine and the suggestion to 'fix' that with more poppy is so staggering that i'm assuming it must be a master-level troll
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May 28, 2019 16:02
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i like that late episode with all of frasier's exes and his mom because it's like the only time frasier acknowledges the ~~zany~~ level of gun violence around that season of cheers iirc it's something like sam gets a gun pulled on him (i think possibly twice in a single episode, also i think he shoots his self in he butt lol), hester pulls a gun on diane, and then the season premiere of the next season has fras pulling a heater on sam again so to see hester trying to be like "none of you could live up to how cool i was" and diane shout YOU PULLED A GUN ON ME THE FIRST TIME WE MET! was pretty cathartic lol
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May 29, 2019 23:23
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please don't use "sheldon" and "lovable" in the same sentence in this, a thread about Frasier, an actually good show Lilith is great because she is an socially terrible cold jerk from her introduction in Cheers and seems to just refine how classy and witty of a cold jerk she is with age.
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Jun 5, 2019 18:03
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Sunswipe posted:How much of that is just that Martin has spent more time around Lillith? He has to talk to Lillith when she appears with his grandson. Is there even anything that suggests Martin has seen Maris since her wedding day with Niles? I'd find the woman who insults me in my home more annoying that the weird woman I only ever hear about second-hand. they all run into her on the cruise and in a few other episodes, just because the audience doesn't see her doesn't mean martin doesn't
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Jun 5, 2019 19:18
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what? no niles visited him once a week-ish
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whenever Netflix is like "Are you still watching Frasier?" i get indignant i will never stop watching frasier, foul robot swine
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I don't think their visitation was as cut and dried as "every other weekend" or "three weeks a year" or whatever, Frasier and Lilith are both very well off professionals that could arguably care for their child's needs better alone than shunting him off across the country several times a year. When Freddie shows up for Christmas or a visit Frasier is always freaking out and trying to make it a red letter event, but at the same time the show really goes out of its way to display the increasing levels of alienation he feels from his son culminating in the "first camping trip" that wasn't actually Freddie's first. Speaking of Freddie episodes, the spelling bee one drives me nuts because everyone knows the national spelling bee is hosted in D.C., not fuckin' Seattle.
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Cosmik Slop posted:Topped off by that burst of bizarro-logic where she finds herself charmed afterwards by Frasier's "persistence" I thought it was more him desperately trying to figure out why she dumped him, which made her re-examine why it happened and realize she was afraid of how into Frasier she was, and she tries to get back with him but with the quandary of why he was dumped solved Frasier realizes he’s just not that into her and dumps her. Or maybe he ends up hitting on her friend or something. It’s been a while.
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FilthyImp posted:One of the bad non-DaphneFam/Kirby episodes is the one where the Crane boys take an adult school class for Auto Maintenance and they act like dipshits the entire time. counterpoint: it's a great episode, it does not come off as classist at all unless you have terminal internet poisoning, and it guest stars the hippie teacher from freaks and geeks
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Aug 19, 2019 20:40
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b-b-b-but they passed notes in french!
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“too cool”? that’s what you took from that episode? Lmao
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Kate was great, the Moon clan is great, Ronnie is great, Sherry is great - the only characters/episode I hate is the damnable Greek restaurant one. It's so drat lazy if the central plot didn't revolve around Frasier meddling in someone's life it would seem like an episode of a completely different (and much worse) sitcom.
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early seasons Niles is a fuckin’ savage, laying down lethal burns on everyone around him
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Not a Children posted:They made her too annoying to be sympathetic. Frasier is, as always, being an rear end, but Mary is just plain irksome and never gets the audience on her side once the reveal drops. "get rid of her"? she's literally in two episodes, they 'get rid of her' in the very first one, she barely qualifies as a recurring character
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goooooldfingerrrr he's the man the man with the midas touch
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Niles/Daphne stuff isn't great but it was handled about as well as it could be, especially including the fat-camp resolution and psychic test episodes. It at least acknowledges the differences between Niles' idealized fantasies and reality, no matter how well he thought they were aligned. Sure, it doesn't go too deep into any of it, but it's a sitcom - the fact that they called it out as being unhealthy at all is a pretty huge deal IMO.
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Inspector Hound posted:Halloween episodes of any show > Christmas episodes of any show i love sherry more on each rewatch she's a genuinely warm and bubbly person and dammit fras, banjo is cool
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Solice Kirsk posted:Unless you're Kermit the Frog you should not be playing the banjo indoors. this seems entirely arbitrary and is also insanely wrong, sorry don't you stan for mel all the time ITT? i think maybe you're just kind of a bad person?
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FilthyImp posted:Honestly maybe I haven't been around enough conservative Jews but who would flip their poo poo at, like, Christmas trees and poo poo in the house??? it wasn't that it was in the house, it's that she thought fras was jewish (freddy is, and she met him while he was buying a menorah iirc) and her mom wouldn't approve of her dating a non-jewish person
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Timby posted:Nah, Freddie isn't in "Merry Christmas, Mrs. Moskowitz," it's just that Niles and Frasier put up this whole huge shindig of pretending to be Jewish so Faye's mother thinks they're a Jewish family, to the point of Frasier coming up with increasingly convoluted reasons to keep her away from the kitchen oven, because he's told her it's a brisket when it's actually a ham. And then Mrs. Moskowitz discovers Niles, in full Christmas pageant costume, in the powder room. Freddy isn't in it at all, you're right, but it is still kicked off by Frasier buying a gift for him like I said - worded it in an extremely pre-coffee way, though. Lilith is Jewish and so is Freddy. Rockman Reserve fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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