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Chromatic posted:Is post Niles-Daphne getting together frasier worth watching? I keep hearing it goes off the rails hard During first-time viewing it felt like there was a huge decline. In hindsight, although Niles & Daphne getting together was undeniably the peak, it still bowed out pretty gracefully compared to a lot of other sitcoms. It's all extremely watchable save for a small amount of absolute clunkers, and never ends up feeling like a totally different show. It just loses some spark since the subplot that kept 2 of the main characters interesting is over.
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Timby posted:Edit: To put it another way, while there are some rough patches, Frasier never reached the lows of some shows like, say, How I Met Your Mother, where it felt like the producers actively hated their audience. Or Everybody Loves Raymond, which simply became "Everybody Hates Each Other". Or The Office either right before Steve Carrell left, or right after, not sure which was worse.
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Apr 25, 2017 16:36
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"I don't eat brains. ...Not human brains, anyway. A nice fresh order of calf's brains in a beurre noir sauce, now that would be... ... ...I don't eat brains."
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May 3, 2017 13:56
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Kelp Me! posted:Wait, did Roz and Bulldog really end up getting married? I thought there was like a whole episode devoted to the fact that it's in fact Bulldog who's the gay guy at the station and not Gil, and that he's so hyper-masculine as a compensating measure or whatever. None of the above happened. Perhaps there was an offhand comment about Bulldog overcompensating, but if so, nothing ever came of it.
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May 3, 2017 15:00
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Imagine all the hilarious miscommunications that could've happened on this show if autocorrect had been a thing! Would've lent some more believability to that late-season episode where Frasier says Niles should be "executed" instead of "exonerated", at least.
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May 3, 2017 20:31
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There was one episode of Modern Family pretty recently that had Kelsey Grammer in it, and his delivery really can elevate anything. Yes, he basically played "uptight sophisticated guy" again, but he's just drat good at it.
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May 4, 2017 11:59
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Spelling bee episode is definitely a later season highlight. It's right on the edge of being too much of a farcical, one-joke premise, but they reined it in just enough. Also, raise your hand if "THIS STINKS! THIS IS TOTAL BS! THIS -- oh here it is" is part of your everyday lexicon
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May 12, 2017 13:07
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the littlest prince posted:I just got into season 8 and all the negativity about it must have drastically lowered my expectations because I can't see the dropoff in quality Hindsight has been very kind to the show. Without the inflated expectations that accompany any good TV show during its run, the final seasons feel like a gradual denouement rather than the quality falling off a cliff.
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May 23, 2017 15:56
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Every will-they-won't-they is terrible if you really think about it, but it's just part of sitcom logic. Niles & Daphne ruled. (Until they got together.) That season 6 finale was such a massive event when it first aired. Which also contributed to the feeling of decline afterward. BRB, gonna pour out a Sherry for the days of event television
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May 26, 2017 13:24
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Oh and I loved the episode where Daphne's old boyfriend comes back and they're all pretending to be different people. That's another excellent one. Ha ha, that's one of my favorite moments too. Also, Daphne's brother never ceases to get a laugh from me. Especially how he insists on calling Roz "Rose".
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May 31, 2017 02:48
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I was always a bit torn about whether that would've been better than introducing a fairly generic love interest in the last season and trying to convince us she was really "the one" and building a pretty uninteresting love triangle around it. Ultimately I suppose they probably made the right choice, even though it would've been better if they started laying the groundwork earlier. The other way, they would run the risk of retroactively "ruining" Frasier & Roz's relationship throughout the series. This way, you could even choose to interpret it a number of ways. Maybe the girl he left Seattle for actually ended up not being "the one" but he found someone else in... I want to say Chicago? Or maybe it actually did work. Up to the viewer I guess. Also, my phone autocorrected Roz to a "rose" emoji so I guess my phone is actually Daphne's brother.
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Jun 9, 2017 14:01
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Plane. I still tend to think the show's best days were behind it either way. I mean, it was just getting old.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:26
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Hard to tell if it was her acting or the fact that every line of dialog written for her could've been replaced with a sign around her neck saying "CONTROLLING, DISAPPROVING MOTHER STEREOTYPE"
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Jun 19, 2017 02:03
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It's extremely common for actors to accidentally do a Boston accent when they're told "New Yorkers don't pronounce their R's"
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Jun 19, 2017 15:05
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Carpet posted:ahhh, one of my favourite episodes was on today, 'the show must go off'. derek jacobi really hams it up so wonderfully. Ah yes, another highlight of the later seasons. One of the only ones from that era that I would always watch when it was in reruns. Glad to hear he won an Emmy for it. A lot of his lines are forever embedded in my subconscious.
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Jun 22, 2017 13:39
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Poor kid, hope he knows a good psychiatrist
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Jul 13, 2017 19:47
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I'd watch this. Call it Five Whites At Freddy's
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Jul 14, 2017 18:32
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No I get what he's saying, but it's the wrong episode. The one where they pretended to be Jewish was a Christmas episode. My favorite gag from that one is how they try to train Marty to act Jewish by "answering every question with a question" but he doesn't really get it. Then later on at some point, after some line of dialog he just adds ".....did I?"
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Jul 17, 2017 13:54
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ContraBoss posted:I wish Bulldog and Roz stayed together. I always liked that he uncharacteristically cared a great deal for Alice and went through great lengths to chase off Roz's other suitors. Trap sprung
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Jul 20, 2017 14:05
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Simple line made perfect through good delivery & timing: "Ooh, HAM!"
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Jul 20, 2017 19:07
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I'd say the ski lodge episode pretty much has everything. It even includes the obligatory "gay person thinks Frasier/Niles is also gay".
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Jul 20, 2017 21:28
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It definitely went downhill after they got together, but it was still such a great moment. They just had to write around it better. They basically dumped all the Standard Sitcom Couple plots on them and it wasn't a good fit.
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Jul 22, 2017 22:32
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Coco Rodreguiz posted:Frasier: Steak? That's what we should eat at Belize's finest seafood restaurant? There's an ocean full of fresh fish not fifteen feet away, but why not try a slab of artery-clogging, hormone-injected, frozen red meat instead?!?! The thing about this quote is it takes approximately 1/3 the time to read it as it takes Frasier to say it. (Which is why it's so great.)
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Jul 25, 2017 18:41
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'm too lazy/scared to do the internet research, has there ever been a Frasier porn parody? Hey baby I hear the boobs a-callin', tossed sa-- yeah never mind, I ain't doing this
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Jul 26, 2017 13:38
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Yeah, she stands up for herself and makes fun of them for being stuffy just as much as they make fun of her, and she overall comes off as more confident in herself than either of them do, so in the end I'd say it evens out. Plus, isn't it consistent with her character that she'd end up "alone"? She seems fine with that, I don't think it's an unhappy ending.
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Jul 27, 2017 13:33
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Probably gonna get hell for this, but I never liked Bebe. A little too loud and over-the-top for me. Of course, compared to Daphne's mother, she's a breath of fresh air. Her episodes definitely aren't bad, just not my favorites.
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Jul 28, 2017 13:40
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Carpet posted:She enjoyed the opera stuff (which is where the boys got it from) but wasn't snobbish - from Dinner at Eight: Pretty much perfectly answers the question. Thanks Marty
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Jul 31, 2017 16:27
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"Is that a Pizza Hut?" "Erm... Yes... We've started a petition to--" "Well it must've worked! That is a Pizza Hut!"
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Aug 1, 2017 02:13
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Oh, for a minute there I thought I'd wandered into the "Post the most 90s thing you can find" thread
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Aug 2, 2017 21:05
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The other night my wife and I were watching the episode where they go to night school for car maintenance. She almost bust a gut at the "twist AND pull" scene. It reminded her of, uh, someone she knows. That scene is really a perfect microcosm of the whole "there are two kinds of people in this world" theme that runs through the show. And, of course, very true to life.
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Aug 30, 2017 13:46
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Yeah he is mostly in bad episodes, unfortunately, even though he was potentially a good character. And his first "appearance" was indeed entirely offscreen, during one of the Officially Good Seasons. They were definitely trying to make him a thing at one point but it didn't pan out.
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Sep 15, 2017 12:33
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well why not posted:Yung Fra$er Jung Niles
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Oct 4, 2017 11:29
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david... posted:Tumble you suck and are wrong He's right, Frasier is nothing more than a Richface minstrel show (Actually wait, they actually were rich, never mind)
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Oct 26, 2017 11:21
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Hellfrasier
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Oct 28, 2017 07:11
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:After Lilith it's not too shocking he veered to the other extreme. But he never dated Dr. Mary 
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Nov 2, 2017 17:20
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Zore posted:
I think they lampshaded that in one of the Cheers guest appearances on Frasier, asking why Frasier never mentioned them or something like that.
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Nov 2, 2017 18:52
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Frasier didn't actually pick up the prostitute, it was his mental battle of "should I do an act of kindness for this random stranger" playing out on screen. Afterward he ends up deciding to pick her up and she's not a prostitute after all.Inescapable Duck posted:Niles seemed to fill in for Frasier a few times during the show, I recall, and it wasn't a big deal after the first time.
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Nov 5, 2017 09:58
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I mean that's not exactly a secret. The entire premise of the show is that he's a rich person who doesn't understand normal people. And most of his family and friends are also like that. It's a fantasy show about people who almost literally live in a different world than we do.
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Nov 16, 2017 20:58
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well why not posted:It's weird that sitcom apartments are so much nicer than sitcom houses. HIMYM, Seinfeld & Frasier all had awesome sets, but stuff like Everybody Loves Raymond have awful midwestern trash homes. Excuse me, that's Long Island trash home.  (Of course, on Long Island, trash costs at least half a million dollars.) Way more true to life than HIMYM's portrayal of Long Island, though...
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datajugend posted:
HIMYM blew its best will-they-won't-they in season 2, then left it for dead, then tried to bring it back, then killed it again (seemingly) for good, then suddenly brought it back at the very end just because it was the ending the writers originally wrote 9 years earlier.
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