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Secular Humanist
Mar 1, 2016

by Smythe

...and the pitch! posted:

If anyone brings up the real, persistent effects of structural racism we should playfully act like all racism is equally deleterious to the human condition.

lol, i did not say that at all. i said that when somebody is super racist to a white person its still racism

and sure, feel free to tell me what people or laws or institutions are still racist, specifically. dont just say the prison system.

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Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Psycho Society posted:

If your point can only be communicated in a 2 hour classroom lecture chances are it's not very good.

You should throw all your electronic devices away I guess. Just a bunch of egghead poo poo.

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010

...and the pitch! posted:

You should throw all your electronic devices away I guess. Just a bunch of egghead poo poo.

I should read posts before I reply, but yeah even science subjects should be able to communicated fairly well in any situation.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Secular Humanist posted:

lol, i did not say that at all. i said that when somebody is super racist to a white person its still racism

So what? White people run poo poo. That's a fact. It's not as good as it used to be but it's still pretty good.

Secular Humanist posted:

and sure, feel free to tell me what people or laws or institutions are still racist, specifically. dont just say the prison system.

You are actively hostile to the idea so that doesn't sound like a very fun conversation for me.

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
If you take more than an hour to be able to communicate pretty much anything in layman's terms to anyone you probably don't understand what you're talking about very well

your friend a dog
Nov 2, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
goon cant see whats wrong with racism unless binarily separated into categories of 'is it bad for me' or 'is it not bad for me'.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Whites should not be allowed to call people racist because the point of the term is to give us something to yell back at whites when the racial slurs come out (since there are no good slurs against whites because they control the langauge and society)

your friend a dog
Nov 2, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
you could yell other things, like "white supremacy in positions of government and education have deleterious effects on my people' and 'the free market and disinterest in wide spread socialism hurt my economically disadvantaged brothers' etc etc

Secular Humanist
Mar 1, 2016

by Smythe

...and the pitch! posted:

So what? White people run poo poo. That's a fact. It's not as good as it used to be but it's still pretty good.


You are actively hostile to the idea so that doesn't sound like a very fun conversation for me.

No not really, I just think that you, like most people, can't actually name any specific examples of ongoing institutional racism when you bring it up as an issue. Then it pivots to the "ongoing effects" of past institutional racism, which literally nobody denies is a problem, but still no specific examples emerge.

And no, white people do not run poo poo. In many majority white nations they do, unsurprisingly, yes, but you're kind of making GBS threads all over minorities who *have* achieved a lot by saying that white people "run poo poo". You're kind of being a white supremacist from the other direction, so to speak.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Hamilton is bad for GBS. It always attracts the wrong element.



I'm the real racist. I get it.

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope
hey can we go back to talking about how hamilton is bad? that was fun

your friend a dog
Nov 2, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
are you going to actually respond to his points are just make passive aggressive whiny posts lmao

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010

YeahTubaMike posted:

hey can we go back to talking about how hamilton is bad? that was fun

I've never seen it

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

Psycho Society posted:

I've never seen it

neither have i, but i heard some of the music and it was pretty awful

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

YeahTubaMike posted:

neither have i, but i heard some of the music and it was pretty awful

That Manuel-Miranda guy definitely became a darling of the liberal media.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

YeahTubaMike posted:

hey can we go back to talking about how hamilton is bad? that was fun

Hamilton is bad

Its badness is self-evident in that every peeson I know who was surprised with it (heard it without knowing what it was) thought it was embarrassing and dumb

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

...and the pitch! posted:

That Manuel-Miranda guy definitely became a darling of the liberal media.

He should be thrown in the garbage again

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

He should be thrown in the garbage again

He probably relives that through role play constantly.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Change.org took down the petition :(

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Reminder:
https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/812716240024326144

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Oh my gosh.

It's Lin-Manuel and not Manuel-Miranda. I mishyphenated.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

Secular Humanist posted:

and sure, feel free to tell me what people or laws or institutions are still racist, specifically. dont just say the prison system.

Just off the top of my head, research grant applications are a lot less likely to get approved if the applicant has a stereotypically African-American name.

E:sorry for continuing derail, ignore me

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Hamilton is bad

Its badness is self-evident in that every peeson I know who was surprised with it (heard it without knowing what it was) thought it was embarrassing and dumb

i mean, that's how i heard any of it (song used in an intro to a podcast episode), and my reaction was that it was embarrassing and dumb, so this theory checks out

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Whites should not be allowed to call people racist because the point of the term is to give us something to yell back at whites when the racial slurs come out (since there are no good slurs against whites because they control the langauge and society)

Two wrongs make a right. Yes, I see! It's so clear now.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Hamilton is bad

Its badness is self-evident in that every peeson I know who was surprised with it (heard it without knowing what it was) thought it was embarrassing and dumb

Is it... inauthentic... somehow? Explain.


Oh no he's goofing!

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Every time I see this, I have an irrational longing for a global economic catastrophe. Just whatever it takes for the circumstances that made this possible to never recur again.

HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:

YeahTubaMike posted:

i mean, that's how i heard any of it (song used in an intro to a podcast episode), and my reaction was that it was embarrassing and dumb, so this theory checks out

Same. I'm getting my info from that same FPlus episode and the like 10 seconds I saw on the news. My first thought was that it reminded me of Epic Rap Battles of History.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
its enjoyed very much by social justice fighters

great big cardboard tube
Sep 3, 2003


I had heard this thing whored out so many times on NPR but had never heard any of the actual music. I wish that were still the case.

mystery fluid
Feb 12, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
I just listened to "top five hamilton songs for research, and its in the same style as everyo ther musical, which i don't like but am not smart enough to put into words

the one rap song i heard was p bad

HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:
Oh, I thought it was all rap. I don't like musicals either (except Book of Mormon) but if it's just like normal musical songs, then that's not as bad as what I was imagining. In the interest of fairness, I'll try listening to some of the non-rap songs.




edit: Okay, I hate all this poo poo. But other than the rap, it's not any cornier than any other musical, I guess (so really corny).

HoAssHo fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 30, 2017

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

powerful sex moves posted:

Same. I'm getting my info from that same FPlus episode and the like 10 seconds I saw on the news. My first thought was that it reminded me of Epic Rap Battles of History.

i haven't seen every epic rap battles of history video, but every one i've seen was significantly less cringeworthy than that

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
my name is Hamilton and im here to say
this thread is bad and really gay

there please give me millions of dollars broadway

Blockade
Oct 22, 2008

I have a friend who works in the business side of theatre.

I'm told that Hamilton is as much about "Minorities where white people wont expect there to be minorities!!11!" as Cats was about the costumes.

Edit: that is to say, the music, plot, writing, etc, were all secondary concerns to using 'minorities' as props.

Lumpy the Cook
Feb 4, 2011

Drippy-goo-yay, mother-gunker!
Yes, OP. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/you-should-be-terrified-that-people-who-like-hamilton-run-our-country

Lumpy the Cook
Feb 4, 2011

Drippy-goo-yay, mother-gunker!

Lol

HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:

ahahaha omg this starts out by referencing Captain Dan and the Scurvy Crew

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Hamilton won a pulitzer? Jesus christ.

By the way Captain Dan was a goon. Truly a low period in SA's life.

Lumpy the Cook
Feb 4, 2011

Drippy-goo-yay, mother-gunker!

Neurolimal posted:

Hamilton won a pulitzer? Jesus christ.

By the way Captain Dan was a goon. Truly a low period in SA's life.

Are you kidding, the mid-00s were the best period on SA

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Lumpy the Cook posted:

Are you kidding, the mid-00s were the best period on SA

I'l agree but only if you skip Lehorobot's period until he got helldumped, and Captain Dan until Satellite High made a diss track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtUQNxp02mE

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 30, 2017

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HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:
Some people want the old sincere monkey cheese era back because it's easier to laugh at and make fun of people who aren't self-aware.

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