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Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Gripens! Gripens! GRIPENS! (Klaus and Petersen)

Also I wanna be the good guys. This world sucks enough and we don't need to add to its woes. To that end I propose an appropriately "chivalric" name, the Pegasus Knights.

EDIT: Also also put me in a plane! I love CMANO but I suck at it, so call me something appropriately derogatory like Unicorn or Rook.

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Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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By the way, how "off the wall" are you planning to make future operations? Will we be eventually able to operate F-20 Tigersharks, Yak-141 Freestyles, and maybe Naval F-117s?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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90s Cringe Rock posted:

Please do not sink the Queen Victoria, Hired Goons.

The way this world is looking, I'd say we'd be more likely to buy the Queen Victoria in a few operations!

(And buy Freestyles to operate off it, doh ho ho)

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Yooper posted:

I'm not sure that's modeled in the current game. So no.

Could you kitbash one off a real-world plane that used parasite fighters, a-la B-36 FICON?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Triple A posted:

Let me guess, Vladdy-boy is in a pinch and needs deniable assets.

NOOOOO! :smith: I don't wanna work for Vladdy-boy... :smithicide:

EDIT: Any option that includes "humanitarian aid escort" is a good first step. Let's go with the Indian State of Arunachal Pradesh.

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Davin Valkri
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Crazycryodude posted:

You guys want to save the world, but are also turning down a chance for eco-terrorism? Let's make an ACTUAL difference (and lots of money).

I don't know if you've noticed, but our jets don't exactly run on solar power... :cheeky:

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Why India over the TLA directly? I'm not trying to contest, just genuinely curious.

Mostly because one of the mission types is "humanitarian aid escort" and the idea of that kind of mission gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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chitoryu12 posted:

Also, since we're using Gripens I'm obligated to post this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp53PPQr91U

Honestly when I clicked that I thought it was going to be this one.

By the way, what's a "retainer"? Is it travel expenses or an up-front bonus?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Thefluffy posted:

Greenpeace with an airforce? What is this, strangereal?!

Would that we could be so lucky! Better Strangereal stories than creepy nationalist craziness!

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Uuuuugh, why couldn't you get someone...reputable? Fine, bring on Jack as work release.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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You know, we can test this in engine. Open the planning scenario in the editor, place however many MANPADS/AAA groups we need near the bridge, and fly the SK60 Rockets and Gripen Paveway options.

FWIW, I really like Gripens, so I vote for 2 Paveway Gripens, 4 IRIS-T Gripens (2 on close escort, 2 on airborne CAP) and the AEW bird.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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ughhhh posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAeJX7qSXw

is this appropriate for this thread

Yes, yes yes yes yes yes, it is very much appropriate.

Also I propose that we have this running in the background until takeoff time.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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gently caress YOU, anime is cool, and Shin Kazama's wing art is going on my plane!

Incidentally, if we're going with the Paveways, someone above me mentioned the price of a Paveway at ~$45k. We can cut that in half by using the earlier GBU-12 Paveways that are pure laser-guided, no GPS/INS; and since these babies can be fired at well over AAA/MANPADS altitude, I don't think there's much risk in doing so.




EDIT: Incidentally, here are the air search (white circle) and surface search (yellow circle) ranges on our fancy AEW bird. Note that these are "theoretical ideal conditions"--in practice, it will probably be shorter (although not THAT much shorter, since it's all clear all around). However, it's quite clear that we can keep the bird well safe behind Indian Army SAMs if need be.


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Dr. Snark posted:

Come on man, we're a mercenary group. We should have this music instead. Get your games right :v:

Anyway. As one of the people who might end up going on the bridge destruction mission I'd honestly err towards Davin's suggestion of a mix of Gripens. Honestly their versatility would be the best asset on the mission; they would be able to bomb the bridge itself, fend off any potential hostile air support, and be able to still assist in escort duties if they make it back before the transport missions are done.

I'm sorry, Ace Combat Infinity would like a word with you :v:

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Also for what it's worth, if you want an extra bit if insurance, we can go with two GBU-12 Paveway Gripens for the bridge, two Iris-T Gripens for close escort, and two Meteor Gripens for airborne QRF CAP. More expensive, but more capable.

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Tythas posted:

sounds like a decent setup/plan i would throw the awacs up as well for early warning

Well, I figured at this point the S100B was a given.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Four is better than three, so Plan Bacarudda for me. I volunteer to be one of the bridge strike crew!

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

I too volunteer to be bridge strike crew on Plan Bacarudda. However I also recommend our rules of engagement prevent us from firing without full positive visual ID, no BVR poo poo here.

We're going up with IRIS-Ts, Herp-derp. They're IR missiles, so they're more or less WVR by default.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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nothing to seehere posted:

Looks like Jack was paying for the entire bars drinks last night. For a line on cheap jets though, that's a price worth paying.

Also yea, great job with the LP production values so far.

Seconded! The jets are still on the ground and I'm super excited.

Also, just how much alcohol is that, and is that Jack's "downside"? His contacts and contracts require a lot of wining and dining?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Crazycryodude posted:

His blood stream is either pure ethanol at this point, or he was buying the entire bar's drinks all night.

Either way, yeah I think that's his downside. Well, that and being a sleazy lobbyist who might make some promises we didn't expect him to or get caught up in a scandal.

Honestly all three of the options had some kind of caveat that would make them "make bad promises or get arrested earlier". Imagine we picked Jimmy and he decided to invite all his friends to harass "help" the ground crew.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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There's a setting in the big list of WRAs about automatic RTB. You might want to set that to off.

Also, wait, what was that at 27:15? Is something going on in Lhasa?

Anyway...

Yooper posted:

Was the video too long?
Was the audio quality OK?
Did the mission process work?
What do you want to see done differently next time?

I thought the video and audio were of good quality, and have no complaints about the mission quality. One thing you might want to do with the scenarios, especially once they start getting bigger, is identify units of interest by callsign. For example, you might say in this mission brief "The UN Food Relief Agency is loading up two C-130J cargo planes, call signs Hornets One and Two, at Dibrugarh Airport" and "Once they land a pair C-17A Globemasters carrying personnel from Médecins Sans Frontières, call signs Road Runner One and Two...".


Victory, victory~! Too bad I didn't get to do anything--well, there's always next time!

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Mr. Showtime posted:

When you're talking about I-SPY's radar range at the end, that grey circle you're referencing is the straight-line maximum range of the radar, and the inner yellow circle is its current maximum range. Anything located outside the yellow circle is over your radar horizon, i.e. the curvature of the earth means that there is now planet between it and you. There are certain disgustingly expensive radars that ignore this limitation, but we don't have any at the moment.

I'm pretty sure the yellow circle is the surface search range--the sensor package on our particular AEW is listed as "3D Air and Surface Search".

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Let's order Paveways (both kinds), rockets, and an extra full flight's worth of IRIS-Ts. If we're holding off on using the Meteors, then we'll need to make sure we have lots of heatseekers.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Ooh, didn't notice the Mavericks at the bottom. Yeah, if this next one is CAS, then load up on those too!

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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I'm good with the ammo buy, and I'd also like to suggest F/A-50 Golden Eagles. Everyone and their grandma uses F-4s and Su-25s--we can stand out and be unique!

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Nuts to this, when all else fails go maximum Ace Combat. Buy it all.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Voting A for the ground element, and Baccy for the air plan.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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90s Cringe Rock posted:

Jack's professional lobbying activities really make me wonder just what the gently caress would be going on if the votes had been for Jimmy instead.

As play goes on, will we get the opportunity to replace Jack with someone more professional? Or is this part of the fun? I don't recall drunkards being part of the squadron in Strike Commander...

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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JcDent posted:

That An-2 and Bryev bote can be used to drop paras or, failing that, exploding barrels! I call it the Syrian-Rhodesian approach.

...do we really want to go down that road? Really?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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poo poo went down good or poo poo went down bad? :ohdear:

Davin Valkri
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I'm out for a day and :wtf:

Okay...okay, regarding the museum buy, I say...EDIT: eh, yes. We've already got Frogfoots, and diversity in airframes is fun.

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Well, crap. Is it time to buy more Meteors?

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Quinntan posted:

It's time for us to go, I think. Discretion is the better part of valour.

I see what you mean, but the IAF probably won't let us go, since we're on retainer and all.

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Vando posted:

Wait, Jack's in Canada. Reckon he can find out where they stashed the Avro Arrow? We can use it for *trails off mumbling*

Knowing our luck and his luck, he's probably high on fermented maple syrup buying CF-101s and CF-104s.

Davin Valkri
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You realizing BOMBING THE DE JURE CAPITAL OF THE DISPUTED REGION is a good way to get everybody gunning for us, right?

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Hey, Unicorns are lucky creatures, even if they only like [combat] virgins! [That's why I picked that callsign :cheeky:]

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loving lame :(

Also, from other scenarios I've played, runways are a right pain in the butt to cripple (you need big high-penetration bombs--rockets won't do it, cluster bombs might have trouble), but if you can cripple them the whole airfield is dead weight. Be advised, however, that there may be something labelled a "Runway Grade Taxiway" at this airport--if it's there, it needs to go too.

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I thought the objective was specifically to force the J-20s to divert to a potentially out-of-range airport? If the runways are still active they can still land there, even if we blow up the fuel and ammo facilities.

Yooper, can we get a mission clarification fro General Krishna?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

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Psawhn posted:

(This is also an advantage of having a GM run things. I don't think CMANO models airfields being out of commission due to destroying support infrastructure.)

Oh, yeah, this is why I wanted to hit the runways. I thought we were going by the CMANO method of deciding whether an airbase was operational or not--blow up the aircraft, the aircraft shelters, the runway access, or the runway. If we can "shut down" the airbase by hitting fuel and ammo (and maybe the control tower--that would be where base command is, right?), that's good too. And we can even use our SK60s for something like the aboveground fuel farm, if need be.

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Davin Valkri
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Zaodai posted:

150 million dollary doos? That's a spicy meat-a-ball.

Wonder how many F-16s that would buy.

From the first page, four and a half.

Also, anybody know how good the J-20 handles being out of doors? Because I strongly doubt we'll be able to sanitize all of the parking spaces.

EDIT: checking the database, each bit of Tarmac has 300 Damage Points. That's 2 and a half Paveways apiece.

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