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Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Voting Ivanov because Flankers are awesome and those Hinds could be pretty drat useful. Plus the MiG-29 and SU-24 are going to be decent, even if the other 8 fighters are horrible garbage.

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Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
I thought the G stood for ground, it's primary operational envelope.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Yeah I like simplefish's plan, with the minor caveat of having a second escort. As for A2A loadout, if we have to choose between 2 Meteors and 4 IRIS-Ts then I'd have one plane with each loadout. In a perfect world I'd want each plane carrying 2 of each but that wasn't an option iirc.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Semper Fi and I'll be back

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Dropping all my votes on the Mirage 2000s. We desperately need air-to-air capability and it brings a 40km BVR missile to the party. We have plenty of mud moving poo poo already, we need something to protect those assets.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Why do people keep saying the F-16DG has 9Ms? The page lists it has having the same P-4 Sidewinder as the Mirage F-1s.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

Yooper posted:

4 Years Later

  1. No airframe may be owned by a PMC that was produced, modified, remanufactured, or procured after December 31st, 1992.
  2. No airframe, ground vehicle, sub-surface, or surface unit shall fire ordnance that is BVR. (20nm)
  3. No ground radar may have been produced after Operation Desert Storm or it may only operate at 100nm or less of radar radius.
  4. It is illegal to procure ordnance that is BVR, however possession is not illegal.
  5. Any ordnance or equipment that is discovered during downtime inspections will be confiscated and destroyed.


:capitalism: Choose One Supplier :capitalism:

Klaus and Pedersen

4 - F-4E Phantom II
4 - AJ37 Viggen
8 - SK60C "Dragon Slayers"
1 - SH3W Sea King AEW

Ivanov Brothers

4 - MIG-23MLD Flogger K
4 - SU-25T Frogfoot A
8 - SU-17M2 Fitter D
1 - KA-31 Helix AEW

Broadstreet Ford, Lincoln, and Military

6 - F/A-18C Hornet
6 - OV-10D Bronco
1 - RQ-1A Predator

Wild Willies Plane Sales and Septic Field Services

6 - J-7II Fishbed
4 - Cheetah D
4 - A-4SU Super Skyhawk
6 - Lightning F.6
1 - Shackleton AEW.2

So, just wanting to help out anyone having trouble deciding how to vote. If you're unsure which aircraft would be best, you can look at which weapons are legal/illegal on each one. 20 nm translates to 37 km, so anything with a range of <37km is usable. I'm leaning towards Ivanov or Wild Willies but haven't made my mind up yet.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Voting Level 1

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Back In the Saddle

The ground strike is an unnecessary and unwise distraction.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
That went pretty well, but I think the tail-end of the mission did expose a real flaw in this plan.

We really should have had some fighter cover based out of the south. Maybe the Lightnings? Might have saved a couple of the Cheetahs that way.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

TheDemon posted:

The F-7 (export J-7, which is in turn a MiG-21). There are versions with AIM-9Ps and PL-9s. The design has been exported so widely that I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturing was both easy and cheap, with optimized blueprints readily available (and therefore more reliable... or even cheaper).

The SU-25. If you want lots of bombs this is your aircraft. If you want limited PGM this is also your aircraft. They are also incredibly cheap.

Super Tucano. If you want lots of aircraft for your bombs this is your aircraft. Everyone and their mother should have one. There should be enough flying around that it's difficult to tell who owns which in a heavy traffic environment. Also the strike Cessnas that Iraq and Lebanon have in the DB. For when you can't afford a Super Tucano.

The F-5 Tiger II. These should be cheap, readily available, and mount a wide array of weaponry in many variants. Also there are probably specialty shops that chop your F-5s into F-20s that are much worse than the real F-20 would have been.

The F-4 Phantom II. If you want to bootleg an illegal BVR weapon onto a widely proliferated 3dp plane this is your go-to, although the F-16 gives it a run for the money. Even the F-18 and even F-15 are options but probably more expensive. MiG-29s also are in this category.

The A-4, mostly because I think it's super cheap after accounting for inflation. Also in this category, the BAE Hawk and the A-10. I think the A-10 is the cheapest non-drone strike aircraft in the air force's reimbursement rate schedule.

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This is a pretty solid list, but I'd go so far as to say, anything that's readily available from 3rd rate (or lower) powers would be getting 3D Printed. In terms of what would be popular, the Mirage III, A-7 Corsair and any version of the Fitter (Su-17/20/22). There are some others that haven't been mentioned that I think would definitely show up, but I'm not so sure about the popularity of them, like the SEPECAT Jaguar, Mirage F-1, F-8 Crusader and MiG-23/27.

edit: I have a suggestion I've been hesitant to make because it might make Yooper's life harder, but what about different airframes having different operational lives? For instance, on this last mission, what if the F-18s were only good for 1 mission, but the F-4s would have been good for 2? Might make procurement votes more interesting.

Q_res fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Oct 14, 2019

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
See, I think the trade-off of taking more capable planes that are only useful for a single op vs less capable stuff you can reuse is a compelling choice to make. The thing is though, if Yooper actually used my idea, he could actually do it both ways during different procurement cycles.

I'm imagining something simple like each plane type having a stat like "Ops = 1" with the options being 1, 2 or 3. It could be a trade-off with different planes in a package having different lifespans. Maybe our J-7s would have been single-use, but the Cheetahs would have been good for 3 ops. Wouldn't have actually worked out really well for us in this case, but it could make things interesting.

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear what I have in mind, whether or not he uses it. So I'm going to drop it, because I don't want this to come across like me trying to tell Yooper how to run poo poo in his thread.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
The discount is good until January 31.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
We definitely need to go with ISARM.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
My read on the options:

Niger - There's a lot to like here, they're the underdog of the scenario. The problem is the possibility of the paychecks not coming can't be ignored.

Nigeria - This is the most unpredictable situation to put ourselves in. Unlike Niger we probably don't need to worry about our employers going broke mid-deployment. That said, there's a distinctly non-zero chance of getting stabbed in the back by one of our warlords depending on how things go.

Cameroon - I'd say this is easily the "safe" option, in terms of back stabbing and actually getting paid on time. On the other hand being good, corporate lap dogs doesn't sound like a ton of fun to me.


My vote is for Niger

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Yeah that's probably going to add atmosphere, if anything.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
I was going to say munitions, but yeah, basically what you said.

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Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Honestly, I'd rather have it than not. At least try it out once.

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