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gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

QUACKTASTIC posted:

i forget my original point



do one with a carp

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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

quote:

Coal-related pollutants continue to rise at many of the country's biggest mines, power plants and export facilities, prompting demands for stricter controls to limit health damage costing billions of dollars a year.

The latest National Pollutant Inventory, released at the end of March, revealed the extent of 93 key toxins from 4000 enterprises, including particulates that can spur premature death by worsening existing heart and lung conditions.

Protests, fires and more than 737 million tonnes of brown coal burnt in the 52 years of the Hazelwood power station.
Victoria's Hazelwood brown coal-fired power station, which shut on Friday, emitted 61,425 tonnes of toxins in the year to June 30, 2016, one of the largest totals. The tally included almost 700 tonnes of fine particulates with a width of 2.5 micrometres – about 1/30th the width of a human hair – that can enter the blood stream.

While Hazelwood's emissions fell over the year, those at Loy Yang B power plant in the Latrobe Valley jumped 13 per cent and Yallourn's 2 per cent.

In NSW, the Bayswater coal-fired power station reported a 770 per cent jump in toxic coarse particle pollution (known as PM10, of about 10 microns size) over the past five years, while Queensland's Tarong power plant recorded a 237 per cent increase in just one year.

"The latest NPI data reveal the total failure of Australian governments to control air pollution and highlight the need for much stronger pollution controls and regulation," James Whelan, a researcher for Environmental Justice Australia, said.

Dr Whelan said the annual health damage in Australia from air pollution was between $11 billion and $24.3 billion.

That total squares with a study conducted for the NSW government six years ago – and given little publicity – that estimated yearly costs in that state were about $6 billion.

Dr Whelan said particulate pollution from coal mining had tripled in the past decade. Pollution from mines such as Bulga in the Hunter Valley increased 32 per cent in the past year. At Drake Coal in Queensland, the increase was more than four-fold.

Coarse particulates (PM10) emitted by Newcastle's three coal terminals also rose 25 per cent last year, much faster than the increase of about 10 per cent in coal volumes, he said.

Taking in Sydney, Wollongong and Newcastle, coal-fired power plants contributed 87 per cent of the area's 187,000 tonnes of sulphur dioxide and more than a third of the 724 kilograms of mercury registered over the year.

Responses

Fairfax Media sought comment from the federal Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg. Victoria's Environment Minister Lily D'Ambrosio declined to comment.

"It's a stark reminder that we need to be mindful of all the impacts of pollution, not only carbon," Tony Burke, federal Labor's environment spokesman, said.

The NSW Environment Protection Authority said the 2015-16 NPI revealed an overall reduction in the state of 13 per cent in PM10 and a 24 per cent fall for PM2.5 particulates.

"The NSW government led the review of the national standards for airborne particles and, as a result, NSW and Australia now have one of the toughest packages of standards for fine particles in the world," an EPA spokeswoman said.

The EPA, though, had been asked to review the anomalously steep drop in particulate emissions from two coal-fired power plants at Vales Point and Mt Piper.

According to the inventory, Vales Point reported a decline of about a third in PM2.5 emissions even though power generated rose about 10 per cent. For Mt Piper, the dive was in the order of more than 90 per cent even as electricity output rose more than 15 per cent.

"These two are clearly under-reporting," Dr Whelan said.

"NSW was tasked with developing standards for particulate matter under the National Clean Air Agreement but failed to advocate effectively for standards that would protect human health," Mehreen Faruqi, NSW Greens environment spokeswoman, said. "NSW's proposal was so bad, Victoria actually went it alone and adopted more stringent standards."

Penny Sharpe, NSW Labor environment spokeswoman, said the commitment to stringent air quality standards was "not an academic exercise. It is an issue of life or death".

"NSW has signed up to lower air quality standards than recommended by the World Health Organisation," Ms Sharpe said, noting that proposals such a giant waste incinerator fo Eastern Creek in Sydney's far west "has the potential to make things worse".

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open24hours posted:

The Greens seem kind of maxed out, they've been treading water for the past few federal elections and their polling is pretty stable. I don't know what they can do if they want to become a mainstream party, but they'd better get on it.

they need a brand change. a lot of people are really suspicious of 'greenies' (i.e. vegan SJWs who want to ban fishing, hunting and 4wd-ing) and they assume the Greens are basically a party devoted to all of those things. I reckon they'd be a lot more successful if they styled themselves as a socialist democrat party with an interest in the environment rather than an environmentalist party with an interest in socialist democracy.

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Well-off Australians are slashing their personal tax bills at a cost of billions of dollars a year to other taxpayers through the widening use of secretive family trusts.

But while trusts are flourishing, and the government is battling a big budget deficit, neither the Coalition nor Labor has tackled what critics describe as the "sacred ground" of tax minimisation.

Unpublished figures provided exclusively to Fairfax Media by the Australian Taxation Office reveal almost 643,000 discretionary trusts (most family trusts are this kind) in Australia in the 2014-15 financial year, the most recent year for which figures are available. That is almost twice the number of 20 years earlier, an increase that far outstrips population growth.

The increase is likely to have been sharper in the two years since 2015 as other popular tax minimisation options – superannuation and negative gearing in particular – come under heavy political pressure, and financial planners and accountants market trusts as an alternative.

Trusts come in different forms, including fixed and unit trusts. In total there were 824,000 trusts in 2015 according to the tax office. Some are dedicated to charitable and community purposes, including caring for children and those with disabilities.

But discretionary trusts, which are used to manage investments including property and to run businesses of all sizes, are promoted for their preferential tax treatment.

Australian Bureau of Statistics data indicates that while discretionary trusts are often used for small and medium businesses, trust wealth is heavily skewed to the richest Australians. Almost 90 per cent of trust assets are held by the wealthiest 20 per cent of income earners.

While rarely mentioned in recent tax and revenue debates, discretionary trusts are a substantial part of the Australian economy. The unpublished tax office data shows they hold assets upwards of $600 billion, and generate profit of almost $80 billion.

The key to the popularity of discretionary trusts is the flexibility which allows high-income breadwinners to split trust income and distribute it to family members on low incomes and low tax rates – adult children at university for example. In the process, the high-income earner slashes their own tax liability.

The distribution of income can be varied each year. So, if a child leaves university and secures a well-paid job, their share can be transferred to a younger brother starting university, or a retired grandmother.

Exactly how much tax is paid nationwide on income from trusts is unclear. The opacity of trusts means information is limited. Where companies are required to put information about directors, shareholders and company finances (for larger firms) into the public domain, there is no equivalent for trusts.

Surprisingly, the tax office is unable to say how much trust beneficiaries pay in tax.

But Fairfax Media has established that at least one key federal agency estimates that tax paid by trust beneficiaries is about 25 per cent of profits - well below the marginal tax rates that those who control the trusts would otherwise be paying.

In a new analysis for Fairfax Media, University of NSW tax law expert Dale Boccabella has "conservatively" estimated the level of foregone tax revenue at $2 billion a year.

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He said trusts were widely used to minimise tax and for "asset protection" which, he said, was code for people either avoiding debts or depriving a divorcing partner of their fair share of joint property.

"When the overwhelming use of the discretionary trust is tax minimisation, defeating creditors and frustrating divorcing spouses of their fair property rights, the case for a comprehensive review of the institution of the discretionary trust is pretty strong."

The Coalition and Labor do not have policy positions on trusts and taxation. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Treasurer Scott Morrison were approached to provide comment for this story and their personal views about trusts. Neither has responded.

The powerful rural lobby is often seen as the major obstacle to trust reform because farmers often use trusts for succession planning and protecting farm assets. Its political clout is reflected in the Greens' current policy of taxing trusts like companies, with farming trusts exempted.

The Tax Institute is the professional association for tax specialists including accountants, lawyers and tax agents. Its senior tax counsel Bob Deutsch said superannuation, property and share investment using borrowed funds, and trusts, had long been the favoured tax-planning options in Australia.

"What has happened over the course of the last decade is that super has to some extent lost its mojo – both super and negative gearing seem to be in the firing line one way or another," said Deutsch. "That leaves you with the third leg of the tripod which is discretionary trusts. It's an area that will be more and more in focus."
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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

this seems to have vanished

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I wonder if i should look at a career in insolvency and restructuring? I can't help but feel something pretty big and bad is heading our way and picking over the corpses of failed businesses seems like as good as any way to weather it

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Oct 5, 2009


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lol
surely he has some undiagnosed mental illness or something

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

MonoAus posted:

Is the concept of wind farm really that new and scary to concern people so much??

We should just make them move next to a coal power station.

Anti wind farm groups go around to regions where they are being proposed and spread a bunch of bullshit about the health effects of the turbines. People then get sick because they expect to (it's called a nocebo effect). In WA and Europe where anti windfarm groups are nowhere near as prevalent they don't seem to suffer the same 'wind farm syndrome' as the people where these groups are active.

There's been a bunch of reviews into the health effects of windfarms (the LNP didn't like the answers given in a couple of them and told them to do it again and find that windfarms are bad), people are incapable of differentiating windfarm noise from infrasound generated by traffic or whatever and people who believe in 'windfarm syndrome' were made to feel sick in a dead silent room because they were told windfarm infrasound was being played at them.

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
at what point can he be admitted into care?

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Cleretic posted:

Okay, so what should perhaps be my course of action going forward in responding to the VEC handing me an 'invalid response to apparent failure to vote'? Because apparently the response of 'I did vote, here's when I sent it and where I sent it from' is not a valid or acceptable response (at which point I'm wondering what IS acceptable because what the gently caress else could I provide).

I'm quite capable of paying the fine, but I'd really prefer not to have to pay monetarily for somebody else losing my vote.

Dunno but there's been a huge furore about it on the ABC, it sounds like a bunch of people got them when they shouldn't have but the VEC reckons it's something to do with the date people sent back their response forms. I think there's some sort of review process the VEC has for people appealing the decision but gently caress knows how long that will take.

On the advice of this thread I told them I voted but Australia Post probably lost it and I haven't heard back but I recently moved house so there might be a fine waiting for me at my old place.

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Cleretic posted:

Well that's definitely not gonna work.


Just looked at that article, it's pretty ridiculous. Shows me there's a lot of people having this issue, though.

Still doesn't really give me an angle. I mean, what the hell CAN you say in responding to this infringement? It's not like I took a photo of myself putting my vote in the mail.

Not sure. I think they'll cave in eventually though once Jon Faine or Raph Epstein turn the screws enough. I mean they've had people calling up 774 saying multiple family members voted on the same day yet some got a fine and the others didn't. Clearly something has hosed up along the way there but the VEC just hasn't got the balls to admit it yet.

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
are there any viewer/listener numbers available for his tripe?

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Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Scarecow posted:

So is this what it feels like to be the crazy one? everything im reading and looking at online screams to me we are in a giant loving housing bubble yet every single person I talk too is like "nahhh mate safe as houses, theres no bubble its totally normal to buy a 2 bedroom shoebox place in kilsyth for 700k"

it's probably a case of cognitive dissonance in action. No one with investment properties wants to believe their multi-million dollar portfolio is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it and that the instant people decide not to pay that much their hard earned net worth will vanish without a trace

The ones who are capable of thinking rationally about it are probably quietly moving their properties on to some other buyer, presumably while claiming how the prices can only ever go up up UP

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Nibbles! posted:

If you keep negative gearing it's not really a bubble in the traditional sense, invester money will always be pouring in.

The only way it realistically bursts anytime soon is if negative gearing is removed across the board, which is not going to happen. At best they'll grandfather it meaning prices hold as investors stop buying however hold onto their remaining stock.

There was a column on the ABC that pointed out that because such a significant proportion of property owners are investors now the traditional ideas about what might cause a crash may not apply. For example, investors don't consider an investment property a home that you try and hold onto until you can't afford to pay the mortgage, for them it's about the same as a bunch of shares and if they think it isn't going to increase in value any more they sell and put their money elsewhere. If they see a scheme that grandfathers NG, and think it will cause house prices to stagnate and then slowly fall, they'll try to get in ahead and sell before they have to sit through 3 years of their asset not growing.

Which is why I wonder if the bigger, institutional investors might be quietly moving their property on. We came within a whisker of having a Labor government who promised to grandfather NG in power, the polls are even worse now and blind freddy can see that negative gearing/CGTD is blowing up into a huge political issue which may not survive past the next election. Private investors may have drank too deeply from the koolaid for all this to register but maybe some of the bigger investors are taking a more objective view of it (or will soon). It's one thing to ignore APRA's and the RBA's warnings but once the ratings agencies and international banks start weighing in it might start to sink in that there is a bit of a problem brewing.

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Nibbles! posted:

The difference with standard bubbles and our property market is that it isn't the inflated market itself people are trying to cash in on, it's the tax implications that are driving them to do it.

Ours started out with the public cashing in, it was anyone with equity and tax to minimise that benefited from negative gearing.

For the market to crash you need, for whatever reason, more people desperate to sell than there are buyers. At best negative gearing will be grandfathered meaning there's no reason to sell, investers will leave the market and all the desperate homebuyers will keep buying at whatever prices are.

Negative gearing only makes sense if you can sell your property and make a gain though, otherwise people would be racking up any old tax deductible expense. As soon as investors think that house prices have peaked they'll be offloading them as quick as they can to make sure they maximise their gain.

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which one?

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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Why the gently caress do we need to import accountants and IT workers? Surely we can train enough of those through the university system.

Rather than having a list of approved job descriptions it'd probably be easier to just slap a $20k fee on any company looking at bringing in a 457. That way if it's something really important they can get someone regardless of the job but it might discourage recruiting a bunch of Cambodian electricians to work in the mines or whatever, plus $20k is probably relatively small compared to what you'd be paying someone with skills genuinely impossible to find in Australia. If we were really clever we could even adjust the fee based on the current unemployment/underemployment rate

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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Box of Bunnies posted:

2017 continuing to be good

counterpoint

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normally balding blokes who shave their heads look better for it but somehow dutton has come out looking even more potato-like

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