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Ginette Reno posted:Somehow Benning fell rear end backwards into the correct result anyways so no harm no foul I guess? Well, other than the poo poo contracts he signed guys to. He's done a ton of harm because he ended up with a 29th place finish but has been planning for a playoff run these last two years. He traded a ton of picks (more than Mike Gillis in half the time even though Gillis was running a cup contender) and prospects for short term fixes for no reason whatsoever. He tosses picks away like candy so much so that despite the fact this would be a dead last finish nearly any other year we once again don't have a full complement of picks going into the draft. Seriously, go through his trade history and literally only his last two trades have any semblance of an eye to the future. He bleeds value in every single deal he makes, and he dramatically overpays for guys he targets then signs them to giant extensions. He also bounces from short term issue to short term issue so we have to expend high draft picks on needs. Our defence was crappy for exactly one season so they traded McCann, the 33rd overall pick and a 4th round pick for Gudbranson and took Juolevi instead of the consensus selection Tkachuk. Defence fixed! Oh wait our offence sucks now, time to trade a defender for a forward! Rinse and repeat. We could have Ehlers or Nylander and Tkachuk right now if they'd just taken the highest ranked players available but they selected Virtanen and Juolevi to plug holes in their lineup. A top six of : Tkachuk-Horvat-Nylander XXX-2017 Pick-Boeser would've been a great foundation moving forwards. Oh well, can't teach size and winning. He also threw money and term at garbage players because they have leadership qualities or something and now we have over $20M tied up in Loui Eriksson, Brandon Sutter, Luca Sbisa, Erik Gudbrnason and Derek Dorsett players of such a low talent level they'd probably not crack the 4th line/bottom pairing of most teams in the league but have to be our core moving forward by default now. At the very least, no one will trade for any of them given what they're paid and how little they contribute. So no, he's done a great deal of harm and it'll probably taken another 5-8 years to unravel this mess. You know, I think it might've been possible to rebuild the Canucks quickly back in 2014 if the team had tried that. Instead they didn't and we got 6 playoff games out of it and now it means a full teardown rebuild is necessary. Fun.
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Twin Cinema posted:Maybe having former Swedish League MVP, Anton Rodin, only play 3 games was the reason for their season. He blew out his knee at the end of last year and they knew that coming in. They didn't play him for a long time because it was in such poor shape, then played him and he blew it out again. His career is likely done.
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T-Bone posted:I thought Juolevi looked pretty good in camp, but that's pretty meh production for his +1 year. Sure, he'll probably be a reliable bottom 4 defenceman and would've been a solid 15th overall selection. There's nothing wrong with him, but when you pass up on the guy putting up near first overall pick numbers in his draft year (who then translated that into a 48 point rookie season) you better be something special. Juolevi is not.
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In not me whining about the Canucks news: The Panthers have given up on analytics and rehired Dale Tallon as GMquote:SUNRISE, Fla. - Florida Panthers Chairman & Governor Vincent Viola announced on Monday that Dale Tallon has been appointed the club's General Manager. Tallon will also retain his title as President of Hockey Operations. https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/dale-tallon-named-panthers-general-manager/c-288637636
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yellowcar posted:Welcome to Vancouver, Michel Therrien. Now I feel worse
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Who are the "hot" coaching candidates? Kevin Dineen, Assistant with Chicago Travis Green, coach of the Utica Comets Paul McLean, former coach of the Sens Lindy Ruff, former Stars caoch Really not a lot of good ones. There's no rush, hopefully the Canucks will play wait and see what happens after the playoffs.
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Apr 10, 2017 17:33
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nature6pk posted:If Frankie was anything other than a lovely condo developer Trev et al would be following William out the door. He's not even a condo developer. He's just always played with Daddy's 70s construction/property boom money. He's a second rate Donald Trump.
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Pornographic Memory posted:They're probably stuck with Gaborik forever too and they have $1 million in dead cap space from Mike Richards. Kopitar will probably be better but that's still a hilarious amount of wasted cap space. They already have $45M committed to the cap three years from now. I guess that's a small price to pay for two cups, but that's still great.
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Apr 11, 2017 14:20
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Duckman2008 posted:Kings won two cups in the last 5 years. I would take 3 bad contracts for two cups. I would take a century of Canucks suckitude for a single cup.
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Apr 11, 2017 15:47
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Powershift posted:You're in luck! So long as it's before I die I don't care.
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Mind_Taker posted:No, they did a thoroughly exhaustive search of all GM candidates and found that Rob Blake just happened to be the best candidate possible. Just like Garth Snow just happened to be the best option for the Islanders, Sakic for the Avalanche, Francis for the Hurricanes, Hextall for the Flyers, etc. Trevor Linden's highschool education and near decade of being a PR guy for a chain of gyms meant that he was completely qualified to take on the President's role in a $900m organization.
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Apr 11, 2017 18:44
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DJExile posted:Ron Hextall managed to convince the Bruins to give us a 3rd round pick for Zac Rinaldo. Then again Sweeney paid two 2nd round draft picks for Brett Connolly, so I'm not actually sure he knows what they're for.
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Apr 11, 2017 18:58
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Jamwad Hilder posted:he's the third best goalie prospect on the FLYERS after Stolarz (for sure) and Madsen (in my very good opinion). Therefore he's bad. There's nothing wrong with Carter Hart, but he's not some A level prospect or anything. The Flyers are the classic example of overdrafting based on short term NHL level need instead of long term outlook so now they have three goalies of the future and they won't be able to find ice time for all of them. That likely means they'll have to move or waive one or two and that's basically just a sunk cost in the end.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Tell me about Joel Oettinger, since there isn't a lot of info on the #1 euro goalie? It's Jake Oettinger but yeah basically the same height, weight and statline as Thatcher Demko at the same age. Freshemen don't usually start for their college team, so he's a good prospect. Like Demko he'll likely play out his career at college and then spend a few years in the AHL. Time will tell if he's cut out to be an NHL starter, but odds are he's at least a pro goaltender and he's trending towards being a good one. Any team in need of a future start would be well served spending a late 1st or early 2nd on him.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Intriguing since I didn't see him in the 1st in any mocks. What do you make of this? Future considerations have him at 28. There are a few goaltenders clustered around the late first/early second at the moment. Luukonen, Mike DiPietro and Oettinger are the prominent ones. It's a toss up as to who's best (probably Oettinger but then again it's very hard to project goalies and I don't follow European prospects). I could see the Rangers taking one of them in the late first round. They don't have any goalies of note coming up, but can be patient for a few more years while Hank closes out his career. quote:https://thecanuckway.com/2017/01/28/canucks-news-midterm-player-grades-scouting-whl/ That was from January when the Canucks were nominally in the playoffs. The Canucks have no reason to trade down now that their pick is in the top 5. They are in desperate need of top line potential forwards, and there are a few good centres at the top of the draft this year (although none of the all world variety). They can't afford to play smartest guys in the room this year. They'll take BPA wherever they select.
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hifi posted:https://thecanuckway.com/2017/04/12/canucks-trading-2017-nhl-draft/ i think he means this article It's also worth noting for the billionth time that trades of top picks almost never happen. It gets discussed every year like it's a real possibility, but the last time a top 5 pick was moved (that was known to be a top 5 pick at the time unlike the Seguin/Kessel trade) was 2008 and that is the only once since the lockout season. Even then it was just the Leafs jumping from 7th to 5th to take Luke Schenn (haha). No top 3 pick has been moved since 2003. Young cost controlled players with actual talent are just too valuable in a cap world.
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:did you forget about shestorkin? he's our best prospect now that buchnevich and skjei have made the NHL. he did really well in the KHL this year. I did, but I'll be the first to say I know next to nothing about European prospects.
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JawKnee posted:not sure why he would leave a better paid position to come back, but yeah I'll go with the one coach that wasn't poo poo prior to your current one Krueger would be alright by me, but you have to imagine it's more than just the coaching role (unless he's really desperate to be in the NHL in some capacity again). I figure the Canucks are likely offering the coaching role and some degree of managerial say as well. Whether that's as a replacement GM or just something similar to what Maloney has in Arizona is probably what any sort of hold up is. It's not as big a drop as people seem to suggest, it's hardly like he'd be leaving Chelsea or Man Utd. He'd be moving on from the Chair position for a mid range EPL team to an NHL front office/head coaching gig. Southhampton were just valued at £259M (around $330M USD) or half to a third of what the Canucks are worth. It's a step up assuming he's something more than just a coach.
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Yaya posted:I just don't see why you don't just go with Travis Green. If there's one thing the Canucks front office likes, it's PR. Hiring the AHL coach would show you're actually committed to a youth movement. I think the vast majority of fans are in the mood for a steady, experienced hand at this point. They went rookie president/coach/GM last time and it was a giant disaster, I'm not sure there's any patience for growing pains this time around. Plus Babcock is anything but a 'youth movement' type coach and he went to the Leafs with a mandate to grow the kids and that worked a charm. I don't care who they hire so long as they promise not to play Megna and Chaput with the Sedins.
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Wippersnapper posted:Good news CAS - Nikita Tryamkin is headed back to the KHL because it is impossible to have good things.  He was interviewed and said it was because of his erratic ice time and the fact that he was sat for the first ten games of the season for no reason. Way to go Benning, Linden and Willie. Why do I support this team? ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Thufir posted:Man, didn't expect Murray would get the axe too. 3 years seems like a really short leash for a GM. Especially one that is clearly rebuilding his team. He's made some bold moves and there have been missteps along the way, but I genuinely don't see what he's done to get fired here. Did Pegula really think the team would be a world beater two years after deliberately tanking a season? If anything Murray should be applauded for making them a playoff maybe in such a short timeframe.
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I guess Eichel was the one that got Murray's pee pee slapped in the end.A Typical Goon posted:Maybe the Sabres have an inside track on Lombardi? I don't think a defence first, low event style is going to do the Sabres any favours.
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Mind_Taker posted:I'm not sure Murray deserved to be fired but I'm also not sure why he gave Ristolainen that insane contract. Ristolainen stinks and maybe Murray doesn't know how to build a defense. What? $5.4M seems quite reasonable for a 45 point defenceman. I get that his possession stats aren't great, but c'mon.
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Mind_Taker posted:His offensive impact is mostly on the PP. He is absolutely brutal at even strength in terms of possession and defense and he doesn't really score a lot given his large number of minutes. He's not a Norris Trophy type, but there's nothing wrong with a good PPQB getting paid. There are a hell of a lot of much crappier players getting paid a bunch more. His career reminds me of Alex Edler so far. He was great offensively to start, but a real wreck in his own end. Eventually he morphed into a pure defensive guy and he's now pretty much invaluable to the Canucks back end. Edler was never a 'build your franchise around him' type, but he worked his way up the lineup to be a very respectable top pairing defenceman. I figure something similar happens to Ristolainen, and if not he's still a very good powerplay guy and that's not nothing.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:How would Canucks fans feel about Ted Nolan? If he convinces ownership to fire Benning, then sign me up!
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Thufir posted:Buffalo is still paying Cody Hodgson almost $800k a year until 2023. To be fair, his back gave out. He had a history of slipped disks, but you can't expect a 24 year old to be forced into retirement due to what wasn't much more than a nagging injury. If you want really bad they managed to commit a combined 16 years and $67M to Christian Ehrhoff and Ville Leino and got a grand total of 263 games and 101 points out of them. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Stretch Marx posted:Be Leaf I've lived in Toronto for a decade so I sorta root for them. I'm properly on board their playoff bandwagon this year. Powershift posted:Better idea, oil up! I'd rather chug pints of phlegmy dog vomit than cheer for the Oilers.
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Ginette Reno posted:Btw for all the talk of Torts turning over a new leaf he skipped the handshake line last night lol. lovely Coach and shittier person. His team had a 16 game winning streak, but was otherwise completely forgettable. I wouldn't be surprised if Columbus missed next year.
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JawKnee posted:Well anyway, while I'd like the Canucks to pick in the top 2, they'll most likely pick 4th - and if they do, I hope that Gabe Vilardi is still available and they take him. Still super young, already 6'3" and seems to be doing pretty drat well where he is. We chat about prospects in the non-NHL hockey thread, but there's not a dedicated draft thread. I usually throw one together a few weeks out, but it's just a few of us posting in there until the day before. As for Vilardi, he doesn't wow me. He sorta reminds me of Brandon Sutter a bit and that's not a compliment. I figure he's a checker at the NHL level. Even best case scenario he's a good 2nd line centre. There are a lot of better centres available. If he was 6 months older and 6'1 I'm not sure people would be putting him in the top 15. Supposedly he's a possession wizard so odds are he'll be a decent NHLer, but I wouldn't count on him being a regular top six contributor at the NHL level. He's one of those "low ceiling high floor" types, and I tend to believe that there's no such thing as a high floor.
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JawKnee posted:outside of the top 2, who would you value at C over vilardi? Mittelstadt, and who else? Suzuki for sure. He at least is a good playmaker. I haven't been quiet about my man crush on Jason Robertson and I think he has the size and style to be taught to play centre (Ala Benn). I don't follow European prospects but Petersson and Necas have put up tantalizing numbers across the pond. Vilardi is fine, but he just isn't a top level offensive threat. He'd be a solid 10th overall pick, but I have severe doubts he'll be a top six scorer in the NHL and I want a top 5 pick to project as a top line player on draft day even if they don't get there.
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whatis posted:Mike Gillis is being talked as a possibility for Buffalo. I don't know anything about him really besides he was with Vancouver and put together a pretty good team before Boston broke the franchise and made them all really dumb He's an excellent, forward thinking GM that pioneered some really intuitive stuff for the Canucks (including sleep monitoring and petitioning the league to coordinate their schedule to it). He lost his way by the end there, but he was good at building a highly skilled skating team. Just don't let him anywhere near the draft table.
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Kilza posted:https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/856279551248412672 That happens a lot. Tanev has taken 18 penalties over the last 4 years despite playing 25+ minutes a night and getting the hardest match ups. Players like that just get ignored for some reason. Then again it's the Lady Byng, so who really cares?
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Powershift posted:So he spends the final year of his contract on LTIR and walks with a limp for the next 40 so he could skate around like an old man through a first round knock-out? You may not have noticed, but Joe Thornton isn't an especially bright human being.
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In continued loser news https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/856882888658255872
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DJExile posted:Green's done pretty well at Utica, hasn't he? He's done alright and was considered ready for an NHL gig, but so was Willie. I was hoping we'd hire a more experienced, steady hand but I'll give Green the benefit of the doubt for now.
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stab posted:Vancouver would be a trash fire even if Toe Blake himself was coaching them Yes, but a sensible, considered coach could help smooth over the worst of the warts. If Green has any growing pains, the carnival of calamity will continue unabated and the team could really use some positive PR at the moment.
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/THWMark/status/856897894212915205 I think Columbus might just hang onto it. GMs seem hesitant to surrender picks until they're forced to, and it's not like this is 61st overall. Jarmo will probably delude himself into thinking it'll be even lower next year.
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