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glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Mind_Taker posted:

The Capitals have an unfair reputation about being second round chokers.

They've choked plenty of times in the first round too.

Really, the pinnacle of Caps choking happened all the way in the stanley cup final.

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glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Reffing is really, really hard to do well at the speed the NHL game happens. Next time you're at a game anywhere near the glass, stop and imagine that you have to see the whole ice all at the same time. It's not so hard to see a lot of what's going on from up high and you see everything on TV, but it's impossible on the ice and it's why refs miss things and the fact that they don't miss more is astonishing. I've reffed kids and beer league stuff and it's not hard to see what's going on because it's slow, but even then you still miss poo poo and everyone will ruthlessly let you know.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


I haven't reffed kids since I was a teenager, and didn't have any serious problems back then. I think a big part of that is that hockey wasn't as serious in the DC area in the 90s as it's become today and has been forever in a lot of other places.

Reffing grown rear end adults as a grown rear end adult did mean a lot of interactions I wouldn't describe as ideal, but I only had to have the police come once and it was for a loving weekly coed floor hockey league. lol

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Powershift posted:

But like Todd Mclellan said, it's fine when they don't see it, the problem is when they see it and don't call it. when there's a guy skating away on a breakaway, it should be easy to see that he was hooked enough to pull him off the puck or slapped in the face with a stick hard enough to bleed. When you see the whistle come up or the arm start to come up and nothing happens, it's frustrating.

Yeah, but that's not a ref performance thing, that's a standard of officiating that comes from On High.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Gunjin posted:

Carlson has under performed for sure, but loving Alzner, it would not surprise me to find out he's hurt again (or still suffering lingering after effects from his surgery), but refuses to take a day off because of his dumb streak. I'd love to see Schmidt get some time over Alzner and Orpik, but Trotz will never do it.

Hockeyviz has a new chart that is really interesting in this case. It shows who the coach has on the ice in different situations. It doesn't say anything at all about how the players perform in those situations, just who is playing in different circumstances



Trotz puts Alzner out in the most critical defensive situations more than any other player. If losing points are on the line, he goes to Alzner, which makes every mistake he makes seem that much bigger because the impact of the mistake is bigger. I agree that he is clearly not playing at teh same level as he was last year, but I think it's easy to be extra hard on him because Trotz is playing him in the highest pressure situations.

e: Also, the chart displays the trust Trotz has in ol' Tom Wilson in defensive circumstances, which I think is borne out in his play. We are super hard on Wilson because of the dumb meathead things he does, but he's developed into a pretty good defensive forward.

glynnenstein fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 3, 2017

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


I found out I'm too bad at video editing software to put Haddaway audio onto this last night, but I did try.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Ginette Reno posted:

Lol if you don't expect a lockout every time the CBA expires or has an opt out clause now anyways

I stopped giving the NHL any money after the last one because the writing was on the wall that this is the SOP going forward. The NHL really can't help being as myopic and short-sighted as possible if somebody dangles a few dollars in front of them, so all this dumb poo poo is just going to keep happening.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


He seems completely committed to playing and has for a long time. I wonder how the league is gonna handle it. He's made around $100 million and could probably count on his buddy Putin covering a fine anyway. Is the league really going to throw a 10 game suspension at him? More? I don't know what else would even make a different to him.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014



Or... Hockey Russia VP says Alex Ovechkin will not play for Olympic team without NHL agreement, suggests retiring from NHL

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Schlesische posted:

I would not read too much into this.
If Hockey Canada and USA Hockey both say "we won't pick NHL players", the temptation to go for gold will overcome the desire to grow the KHL again. Besides, the oligarchs probably can't afford to pay for an Ovie these days.

Oh yeah, I'm not at all concerned. I just think it's hilarious that the guy is like, "....or you could retire from the NHL!"

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Sharks Eat Bear posted:

Pens chances just got way worse in the playoffs. So long as Malkin comes back healthy, I don't feel like we're totally screwed. Then if Hagelin comes back (might be a long-shot) I'd feel even better. And if either Daley or Maatta come back, then at least we'd have a little more depth in our blue line and could give a little more breathing room for our ad hoc top pairing guys.

Just one model, but yeah:

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/849663098009079808

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


So, not to try to speculate, but is there any indication that this is related to a hockey injury? Saying he's "sick" implies not. I hope it's not as serious as the article makes it sound.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Toronto only has like a 2.3% chance to miss the playoffs at this point.

Hmm... That's about as unlikely as a 3 goal 3rd period comeback...

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Jamwad Hilder posted:

there's also a "best attendance" banner up there for the WNBA team

That's not true.


It's "Attendance Champions."

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


CBJSprague24 posted:

Lower bowl seats below about 10 rows from the top of the section are the most overrated seats in sports. You get some combination of the benches, penalty boxes, and/or curved glass which kinda gives that weird fish bowl effect to the rink. I once had to watch the finish of a Canes/CBJ game on the jumbotron because I couldn't actually see the action.

For that matter, Row A in the upper bowl at Nationwide (and probably your barn) sucks too because the protective glass creates a line right through your line of sight. I got Row A in 215 for the last Panthers game at Nationwide and had to move up to the empty seats in B behind because I was getting a headache watching the CBJ defend through glass but attack with my own eyes.

You've just got to go into it expecting a different experience. I wouldn't want to do it all the time, but when you're in the row behind the bench, spend a lot of time watching how they change and all the interactions on the bench. It's cool to get right up close and see stuff you never see on TV, like being able to read the coaches Xs and Os diagrams. or the emotions between players. It's pretty cool if you just don't stress about how much of the actual game you won't see.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Mind_Taker posted:

My favorite thing about that is about how crappy Doc Emrick's call was.

Doc sounded drunk for this game.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


FrenzyTheKillbot posted:

Anybody have a list of what the season results would look like if the NHL had 3 points for a regulation win?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/what-would-the-playoffs-look-like-with-a-three-point-standings-system

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


The Caps are operating under the assumption that Todd Reirden is gone after the playoffs. I think they felt lucky to keep him for this past year as they promoted him to "associate coach" just before the season started. I imagine he got a pay bump to stick around for another chance at a run at the cup before he walks.

glynnenstein fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Apr 10, 2017

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


2016-2017 LA Kings: 55.0%CF. 98.3 PDO

e: Maybe Sutter caused them to have the worst shooting percentage in the league this year?

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


D C posted:

That and every year since he's been their coach, it produces good fancy stats numbers but doesnt translate to actual goals. His system doesnt work anymore and he wont adapt.

It's too careful, and its good the forwards are coached into defense first, but when they get behind they wont open the game up, they have enough offensive talent to risk it but never did.



I agree with firing of Sutter, I wanted that to happen last season, I'm not happy Lombardi is gone but I bet it was a "if you fire him I go too" sort of situation.

What I dont agree with is setting Blake as the GM, not enough experience in the front office.

Yeah. I saw that Dellow has a theory about that in this thread:

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/status/851591093376487425

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Yeah. Every time I've seen that video I see anger or frustration, not disorientation. He skated toward his bench with his head up the whole way and, when the play continues to draw the linesman toward him, Wideman just throws a crosscheck into his upper back and continues right through the bench door and sits down. There's no stumbling, there's no losing his direction, his balance seems perfect. After they stop play and you see his face on the bench he seems like he's in pain but he's talking fine to his teammates and his eyes look clear. I think it was pure frustration and he very much intended to hit the linesman in that moment when their paths crossed. If it had worked out that the play went the other way I don't think Wideman chases him or anything, but he's the angry guy walking down the sidewalk kicking stuff that gets in his path.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


A little irony in this list.

https://twitter.com/shane1342o/status/855236324957310976

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Pornographic Memory posted:

Eh, Columbus racked up a ton of shots (average of 38 SOG) which does support the ides of Columbus playing well to a degree but the Penguins had 34 SOG on average, spent much of the series leading, and the location charts I've seen make it look like the Penguins shot a ridiculous proportion of their shots from high danger areas while Columbus was more spread around the ice. Bobrovsky wasn't good but their defense was lovely too.

The game 1 shot location from http://hockeyviz.com. The pens got much more dangerous chances.



glynnenstein fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 22, 2017

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


I expected CBJ to win against a banged up Pens and that was my pick in the toxx thread. The biggest issue was Bob; just league-average goaltending would have made this a different series. But there were other issues that probably should have sounded alarms.

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/status/851260647094403073

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Another data point on why Bobrovsky had some issues. Lookit that blob around the crease!

https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/855961734842068994

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


You can still do full movement and have strength with zero ACL, it's just unstable and requires a knee brace. I'm not sure if the same is true of the MCL and the combination of both seems super-human to me. Add on top of that all the pain he had to be in and it's just shocking that he could compete. Even pain drugs only do so much and they have a lot of side effects that deteriorate performance.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Tanking has been a bigger problem in the league than teams being endemically bad since at least 2003. This draft system is a massive improvement on the old one.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


I didn't say it was perfect. I'd prefer a system that tried to capture what teams have been trying to win but are missing pieces; give the best chance to teams trying to be good and win games but falling short.

This system is a big improvement over teams being assured reward for intentionally losing as much as possible, a low bar.

Gio posted:

who gives a gently caress if teams tank

It creates distortions across the league that mess with totally unrelated games. We've seen what weird poo poo happens when one division is bad all at once without having had the added poo poo of tanking teams ending up being in the same competetive unit. It's also terrible for fans of teams that have to deal with being hopelessly lovely for years.

glynnenstein fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Apr 30, 2017

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


hifi posted:

Mcdavid was drafted under the new system

edit: i guess not under the new new system of top 3 lottery picks. is the nhl going to gently caress with the lottery every other year now

Maybe you can wait and see if they do and then complain about how it's bad.

I know this is meta and doesn't have to do with whether or not your particular preferred outcome occurred, but sports only work if everyone is trying to win, otherwise it's an Athletic Demonstration.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


hifi posted:

I feel like im in a forum about Dota reading this post

Your life is harder than I'd appreciated. I apologize for telling you about how wrong you were a second ago.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Aye Doc posted:

luckily all of the players on the ice are generally trying very hard to win and it maintains this illusory purity of Sport you speak of

It's true, and as a fan of a team that tanked very effectively in every sense there are still fun moments thanks to the players still trying, but management directed tanking screws it up on the margins. There's no moral excuse for forcing fans to watch Jamie Heward play almost two full seasons of NHL hockey.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Teemu Pokemon posted:

No it doesn't

No they won't

Imagine a world where tanking actually isn't a problem and all the hand wringing over a completely viable and not-nearly-as-prevalent-as-perceived strategy causes reactionary rule changes that actually make things worse and makes it ever harder for perennially lovely teams to get better!!

The NHL board of Governors is only able to deal with one alternate reality at a time and they are currently preoccupied by the one in which head injuries are no big deal.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Teemu Pokemon posted:

The schadenfreude ship already sailed when the Oilers stole McDavid

The original sin was the Pens stealing of Crosby from the Caps, the worst most deserving team in the league.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


CommaToes posted:

Aw poo poo, I wasn't being facetious enough. Poe's law, I guess.

Canadians don't have a word for sarcasm, so it's understandable.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


JoelJoel posted:

Lotta cane waving going on itt.

Everyone is just righteously upset that white America is again appropriating an old African-American tradition. It's not discomfort with non-conformity or anything like that.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Teemu Pokemon posted:

I'm really digging the contrarian counter-counter-counter culture in this thread that wants to defend ridiculous poo poo like a child having to spend at least the first 18 years of his life with a name like Krz because "you're just like, old, man!!"

Caring what other people name their kids is the weirdest thing to me. Is this Iceland?

Also, a really large number of the names that are bothering people are just old and not made up or whatever.

Of course, my parents chose my name including consideration specifically based on having nicknames they liked and that weren't super easy to tease so I didn't have to live with weird stuff. Then again, as was noted before, so many kids have unconventional names: is Kaedyn going to pull off some sick burns on Braedyn?

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014



Jagr signed for 1 year at $3.3 mil, though. He still had to prove it, and he's legendary for his fitness whereas Kovalchuk is Russian.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Really, when you think about it, the large sample size of the regular season tells you what's really up.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


kalensc posted:

I'm happy the Pens won and am thrilled for MAF, but it sucks that the Caps (and Jackets) were the opponents this far. Finally seeing Ovie and Kuz and Holtby and a bunch of others in at least a conference final would have been wonderful. Dumbasd seeding method.

And we get to witness plenty of terrible hot takes, such as https://twitter.com/SlavaMalamud?s=09

What a clown

Malamud's always had something against Ovechkin; there's something personal going on there. What a weird rant to go on in the face of the obvious evidence, stat-wise and eye-test, that the Caps largely out-performed the Pens and were within a margin of inches of advancing against the second best team in the east (decimation by injury aside). And who looks at Ovie and says, he just doesn't have the passion and desire to win? Dellow pointed out in a pretty measured series of tweets about hypothetical trade scenarios that Ovie didn't really earn his full cap hit this season. A fair criticism, but it didn't actually seem to matter in 2016-2017. It is more a concern going forward given who is rolling off of ELC and cheap RFA contracts, but these twitter rants are as stuck in the past as the Caps' mindset.

Also, the Leonsis stuff seems very off-base given the obvious emotion he has invested in this team; dude has literally fought fans before (lol).

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glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


What the hell was that Bieksa baby poo poo at the end? loving 6 seconds left and he couldn't hold it together!


e:I say that as someone whose high school team lost championship games in back-to-back years and started line brawls at the end of each.

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