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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Blazing Ownager posted:

Status is completely unknown.

I have to admit this is just wishful thinking but I'm hoping that the final season opens in black & white in the Cinnabon as always, but then.. fades to color, and it takes place post-BB and that Chuck is still around, still hates Jimmy, and the "final battle" is Jimmy fighting all the things he's charged with.. against Chuck (if not actually on the prosecution, certainly helping them).

That'd be the way to tie it all up with a bow on top, for both series. It's a favorite theory of mine but I make absolutely zero bones about there being not even a grain of fact to it. Just something I think would be neat/work.

How could this possibly work? Saul didn't use vacuum guy for nothing; he was the lawyer of one of the most infamous criminals around. He can't go back. He's Gene until he decides to turn himself in.

While it would be neat to have bcs show an extended bb scene where Saul gets done talking to Walter or Skyler, and then calls up Kim, I'm willing to bet that Kim moves away, possibly after losing her license/becoming disgraced. Maybe she moves back to Nebraska... Where I believe she's from. Maybe she's from Omaha? And that's why Saul mentions that city and seemingly got to choose it when being 'vacuumed' by Robert Forster?

And maybe, before he turns himself in and drops the Gene facade, he goes to see her one more time. Or she happens to stop by for a cinnabon.

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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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At first, I think it was for money for both him and his partner, thinking that if they worked FOR the cartel, they'd be taken care of. They could have a shot at the kind of life Don Eladio has.

Once Max (was that his name?) was killed and Gus' world was effectively shattered, revenge was likely his goal at that point. He's just extremely patient and methodical, two traits that Walt sorely lacked.

Edit: gently caress Chuck, but gently caress Walt forever more. I'd love to see those two together in a scene.

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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Sagebrush posted:

how do people keep thinking this

If Gus managed the business, and Walt managed the cooking, they'd be relatively set.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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My best friend has tried to watch BB, but can't, because he says Walt comes off as extremely dumb in the first season (mainly pertaining to his refusal of Gretchen and Elliot's job/charity
). Also, he's heard hundreds of people go on and on about the show, and he's sick of hearing about it.

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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Ein cooler Typ posted:

MY GIRLFRIEND refuses to watch Breaking Bad because she says it's mean-spirited

To add to that, I think I mentioned before how my dad won't watch it because he knows it's about the tragic and violent downfall if a family man who makes poor decisions. He doesn't see entertainment in that, and that's fair.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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some guy on the bus posted:

What if you tell them the man doesn't regret it for a second at the end, because I don't think he did. It's the story about a man diagnosed with a terminal illness who found a way to have fun and live life. He turned from a wimpy chemistry teacher into a awesome badass and he provided for his family.

The part where junior is holding a knife at him, defending his mom from her husband, and then said husband goes and (Even temporarily) kidnaps his own daughter, all while his brother in law lay dead and crudely buried in the New Mexico desert seems to contradict you here.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Man, I wonder what Lyle thought of Gus getting blown up and having his secret life made public.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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precision posted:

Holy poo poo, Chuck was Lenny on Laverne and Shirley

I knew I'd seen him in Christopher Guest movies before but never made the connection to Lenny.

He was also that Australian guy from Dream On. You know, that show you'd watch when you were 13 in the hope of seeing some titties. :allears:

Then you realize you're watching it in syndication, on a 'clean' network, and you'd switch it to something else.

Edit: Gibby Fiske.

Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 05:10 on May 6, 2017

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Walt's a regular B.J. Whitowicz. :clint:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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I really hope that Vince, Gould, and co. already have an ending game plan for BCS. With BB, they said all the time that they were turning Mr Chips into Scarface, but what would the idea for Saul be? It's not as interesting simply explaining the lead-up to him showing up in BB; there's gotta be a hook for the post-BB/Gene part of his life.

Really, it's an area that they have relative carte-(noir and)-blanche. Everything before has to connect up to BB, but Gene's a wildcard.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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"Ok, Jesse, for the role of Todd we're going to need you to never emote. Not even once."

"Ok."

"Yes! Just like that. Perfect.

poo poo,this guy's good."

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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So, ricin poisoning... Flu-like symptoms and then you're dead?

Fuckin A, Walt.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Sagebrush posted:

There was a time in season 1 and early season 2 where her character was being inexplicably petty to Walt, acting real hard-done-by that he was acting weird after being diagnosed with a terminal illness and going on chemotherapy (which fucks up everything in your body, mental state included, in unpredictable ways). Both of them needed to be in therapy.

The constant hatred some people on the internet had for her, though, was just staggering.

It's because she was the NAG in an otherwise nagless tale of explosions and chemistry deaths.

Anyway, in seriousness, some people don't understand why shows are good. "Get rid of Skyler!" Yeah, that won't make the show better, jackass. Petty complaints aside, she had every reason to feel and act the way she did considering her circumstances. Oh but she cheated! Lord, what a transgression! Don't forget that Walt just let a girl die in front of him.

People suck.

Plus Anna Gunn is terrific, so :colbert:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Ha, I was wondering when Jimmy transformed from Jimmy to Gil to Saul.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Sagebrush posted:

I've been thinking about it and Breaking Bad fails the Bechdel test pretty spectacularly for a critically-acclaimed TV series with 5 seasons

There are only ten named female characters that I can think of, after wracking my brain, and only six of them are really plot-critical:

Skyler
Marie
Jane
Lydia
Gretchen
Andrea
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Wendy (meth addict hooker)
Carmen (high school principal)
Kaylee (Mike's granddaughter)
Francesca (Saul's receptionist)

And of the six important ones, the only ones to ever meet each other are Skyler and Gretchen/Skyler and Marie, and all of their conversations are about Walt (or Ted) in one way or another.

Yikes.

I'm no scholar on feminism or an ess jay dubya or whatever, I don't get caught up in a lot of these politics (my general view is don't treat someone differently based on their gender :shobon:), but since Breaking Bad is about the story of Walt, is this surprising?

Would it be more surprising if Weeds failed it? Or The United States of Tara? In other words, a female-led show? Maybe I don't know all the rules of the Bechdel test, so I could be way off.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Hey, for everyone who loved Erin from Davis and Main, she's in the second season of Love on Netflix.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Crawl Space might be the best episode of tv ever, but the Dexter threads were the best threads in TVIV ever.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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1-800-DOCTORB posted:

Did we figure this season's episode title secret yet?


Mabel
Witness
Sunk Costs
Sabrosito
Chicanery
Off Brand
Expenses
Slip
Fall
Lantern

That lantern one HAS to involve a fire. Real talk, I don't think the episode titles have any secrets. Last year was definitely a one-off, like BB S2. BCS S1 was more of a jokey thing, anyway. Wouldn't be surprised if they were done with weird title... chicanery.

I do find it interesting that for the most part, every episode title of BCS is one word, like it's the odd cornerstone of the episode, or the thing that sticks out.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Oh man I hadn't read these but I'm psyched for Slip and Fall.

Also, I like BB but who the gently caress remembers individual episode names for it? That is the weirdest thing about these threads for me

Honestly, I have a better grasp if shows when I follow threads like this. I wouldn't have remembered weird things about both shows if it wasn't for goons discussing stuff over and over again for better or for worse.

Motherfucker, I have a near-encyclopedic knowledge of Dexter season 4 onward.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Ein cooler Typ posted:

a lantern will cause a plane crash

737
Down
Over
Lamp
...
...
Alpine Shepard Boy

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Ingmar terdman posted:

Jimmy could have brought in that doctor who already punked Chuck by turning on the hospital bed.

Clea Duvall :swoon:

I agree.

Anyway, once again, I only watch the show on my pvr the next day, but can't help but read the thread in advance.

Another testament to how goddamned good it is is that a) I need to experience it in any way possible, even vicariously through all if your posts, asap, and b) when I finally DO watch it, knowing what happens doesn't affect my experience negatively whatsoever.

Can't wait to watch it all unfold.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Hearing Chuck mention the billboard reminded me of Jimmy's 'makeover' which literally made me lol just now, picturing that stupid hair and smile. What a Jimmy thing to do.

"Hamlindigo blue."

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Solice Kirsk posted:

I think it's a safe bet that the end of the series will be Jimmy (going by his old name.....in Mike's voice) in court either defending himself or someone else.

I think Donald Kaufman had it best when he made the victim, killer, AND cop the same person!

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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It'd be neat if the feds found Gene/Saul out and word gets to HHM, and Howard and team end of being his defense.

I mean, I don't think they do criminal law, so that's extremely unlikely, but it'd be neat to see.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Actually, that confession tape is an excellent way for BCS to, for lack of a better term, "glaze over" the events of Breaking Bad. Picture this:

Season (whatever) ends with Saul meeting up with Walt and Jesse, just after dealing with some big problem with Nacho. The opening to the next season is a continuation of the final shot of BB. Walt's lying there, dead, the cops are there searching the area. They find the dvd and take it into evidence. Skip ahead to it being watched. The show uses Jesse's entire confession over top of quick cuts to footage of the events he's describing, but mixing in footage of Saul also being involved (aside from the times Jesse mentions Saul specifically). And then maybe we get a replay of Walt and Saul in the basement of the vacuum store, only this time, of course, we follow Saul when he leaves.

Also, I'm hoping that BCS ties in Robert Forster's character soonish.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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maskenfreiheit posted:

you put diamonds in your rear end and turn them into money later. this is literally the only reason antwerp exists.

What do I know about Antwerp, apart from diamonds that is? But then... What the gently caress do I know about Antwerp?

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Last Chance posted:

Hell yea, I was just rewatching Granite State, Forster's Breaking Bad episode and he's so drat likable.

"If you look around, it's kinda beautiful."



"I'm not much of a movie guy... "

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Lonos Oboe posted:

Just to give my quick analysis of the Gus pipeline/ timeline and how I imagine it worked.

-Him and his partner/partner start up their meth/chicken business and get the attention of Don Eladio.

-Pool party where Hector meaningfully kills the guy into the pool.

-Gus expands to America with the Don's permission. Uses his professionalism and brains to get ahead.

-The shenanigans that we saw the last few seasons where Gus starts screwing with Hector.

-Gus meets Gail, who is a lab genius. Gail probably works out of a situation similar to season 1 BB.

-Gus hooks up with Lydia and the "meth Illuminati" (I like that name.) and starts distributing to Eastern Europe, sidestepping Eladio

-Gus brings Eladio mad cash due to his outside selling. Eladio could give a gently caress where it comes from. Hector is humiliated and gets suspicious and something happens, maybe he is poisoned and has his stroke. Either way he is brought low.




I was going to say that your Gale stuff didn't match up, but I was forgetting that Gus was already making and selling non-blue meth way before he met Walter, and it was likely Gale who was cooking most of that time. For whatever reason, I took the flashback scene in 401 as the first time Gale was working with Gus, but no; it was just the first time with the new equipment. That scene is obviously somewhere at the last half of season 2, as Gus mentions Walt as a new player in the industry/local market.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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One thing I don't get, though, is what was Gale's cover story? How was he explaining how he paid for his apartment and everything? Did he have another job? Everyone else, aside from Jesse, has a cover story. Walt won money at the casino. Mike is security for Los Pollos Hermanos (as I'm sure Victor and Tyrus were, too), and Gus obviously operates the restaurant.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Raxivace posted:

I was pretty shocked when I realized he was Buggin' Out in Do the Right Thing.

I sort of had the opposite experience; I was surprised, when first watching BB, to see the over-enthusiastic agent that was looking for Keyser Soze from The Usual Suspects.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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What you're saying is that Vince and Peter have out-lawyered Dick Wolf, someone who's been doing it going on 30 years now?

Because that's incredible.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Steve2911 posted:

But how is Phoenix Wright?

OBJECTION! Saif fiction is not currently a tv show. Motion to bar the question from the record.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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I always love stuff like when he wouldn't give Mike the address, but "oh, now I might have an address on my desk, and now I'm going to step away for a bit and assume that you WON'T go looking for it" sort of thing. Like how he demanded that Walt and Jesse give him a dollar each so that he could legally be considered their council. I like those 'skirting the law' things where he doesn't have to technically lie or whatever.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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SeANMcBAY posted:

Chuck kinda reminds me of Forest Whitaker's character on The Shield. They're in the right but going to pay hard for obsessively going after someone that's much craftier and that knows how to hurt them.

Oh man... For anyone who enjoys the dynamic between Chuck and Jimmy, and hasn't seen The Shield, definitely check it out. Season 5 (where Forest Whitaker comes in) is so loving good. I mean, it gets to such an extreme, it's crazy. Not nearly as effective if you haven't watched up until then, of course, so I recommend against only watching season 5.

It really is a balls-out, everything's on fire version of Jimmy vs Chuck, except Jimmy and Chuck liked each other at one point. Not so for Vic and John.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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I feel like Mark Margolis has been old forever. I mean, this is him back in Oz 2003 (Warning: Spoilers for character's fate)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtduRh4b7ho

For anyone who hasn't seen Oz, there's narration during each episode (except for the musical one, I believe). This episode featured Margolis' Italian gangster character Antonio Nappa, doing it. gently caress, he did such a good job in that show. Everyone did. Everyone in Oz went on to either The Wire, Law & Order, or both. It's got weird pacing and filming now, but man, I feel that it ushered in the golden age of tv that we're still in today.

I love Oz :allears:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

"Did you know you have Rights? The Constitution says you do." is one of my all time favorite lines in Breaking Bad. Odenkirk nails the delivery of a guy who is banging out like a dozen of these commercials in an afternoon.

Reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwWAsNZTnug

Also, what's great about Bob Loblaw, aside from literally every time his name comes up in the show ('That's a low-blow, Loblaw. It's a Bob Loblaw Law Bomb!') is that Scott Baio, when he was asking Mitch Hurwitz about how to act, was told 'don't emote whatsoever, just literally say the lines as unemotional as possible'. I never really noticed it, but yeah, every single time Bob Loblaw is on screen saying something, there's literally no emotion behind it.

EDIT for mouthful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOtDNXfMyD0

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Edit: ^^^^^ Yes, exactly.

How about we all stop giving a poo poo about these particulars that don't matter that much and just enjoy the show without being spergs about it? :colbert:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Well, as much as I love Huell, there was a bit of a lingering shot of him, very 'winky to the camera', right after he bumped into Chuck. Almost like they could have freeze-framed, zoomed in, and put some sort of coloured text on the screen. Except I don't think they would have needed to freeze-frame, since it was that long of a shot.

I didn't mind it, but it happened.

I am totally fine with this prequel/spin-off to arguably one of the best shows ever made to have references (that make sense) to that show. How did all of this stuff get put in place? Here's how.

Saul becomes a major criminal lawyer. Of course, we're going to see details of one of the biggest criminals in the city. I have faith that it'll all tie in together. And yet, even if it doesn't, I'm still totally fine with seeing more Gus related stuff, because Gus-related = Mike-related = Saul-related.

I do love the hell out of the Chuck side of things, though. (EDIT: And Nacho, can't forget Nacho. Really looking forward to more details on him. Why isn't he around in BB? Maybe Gus took him out? He's with the Salamancas, of course.)

I just love this show and want to see at least 2 more seasons.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Konstantin posted:

I think Nacho will eventually join up with Gus and betray Hector. He's seen how Gus treats his underlings, and just this episode Hector ordered Nacho to put his father in danger and didn't care that he caused a gun to be put to Nacho's head.

Hope so, Hector's a loving bastard.

I really wonder what Saul will do to get in trouble with him, though.

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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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drunken officeparty posted:

Todd+Lydia (Tydia) is a love story for the ages. I'm halfway through writing my erotic fanfiction

"And then the dopey-eyed motherfucker started loving Lydia, a mother."

Can't wait to read it. :allears:

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