Time to divorce Apple

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akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

I was a Windows guy (Win XP!) until roughly 2006 when I switched over to Mac because I loved OS X for software development in general. I still love OS X but is has been progressively shittier ever since they stopped doing the big cat codenames and switched over to calling the versions such incredibly retarded names as "El Capitan" and "Mavericks"

Anyway I think the time has come to call it quits with Apple. I am thinking of building a mid-tier gaming PC that I can also use for software development. I am wondering what is the best version of Windows to get for gaming (should I just go with Win 10?). For development, I really like that OS X is based on Unix (Darwin) and has a full fledged terminal. I'm thinking I might dual boot with some flavor of Linux and just use that for all my development (probably Ubuntu so I can keep using Sublime Text easily) because I've never been a big fan of Cygwin

Anybody in a similar predicament that can give me any tips on making the transition back? I'll still have my work-issue Macbook Pro retina until they force me to get one of the new Macbook Pro abominations.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:05

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 00:00

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

windows 10 comes with ubuntu now so there's no need to ever boot into an inferior os again

also source your quotes

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:16

Wrath of the Bitch King: May 11, 2005; Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.

I'm not switching back to a half-abandoned OS for underpowered and overpriced "gotta be thin at all costs" pieces of poo poo that their creators are literally dying to phase out in favour of tablets. Been there done that.

Nor am I making "this sacrifice" and "that sacrifice" and conceding to "well the scaling on high DPI is even worse, and touch is almost nonexistent" and "yeah we know the file picker still won't show a thumbnail view after about a 13 year old bug report, we don't know how to do it" that comes from running your favourite colour of server OS as some form of communist desktop. Been there done that too, it's a ballache, and FOSS devs are lazy as gently caress (because they're mostly unpaid)

Flipping a few switches is much quicker and easier than either a) spending the time necessary to earn an extra �1500 or so for something that is likely to be discontinued in 5-10 years, or b) spending hours configuring synclient so your trackpad resembles something almost-usable, dual booting for 80% of your games, pestering the devs for $raw_processing_suite in a 5 year old bug report complaining about how often it bombs out with a segfault in the middle of tweaking a photo, etc etc.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:16

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

oh lmao

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:18

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

mac was always bad, OP

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:21

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

infernal machines posted:

windows 10 comes with ubuntu now so there's no need to ever boot into an inferior os again

also source your quotes

that's pretty cool maybe I'll give that a shot before I explore a Linux dual boot

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:22

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Yeah this was me, except I kept the iPhone. The transition at first felt like meeting an old friend and discovering his sister was pretty hot (Windows 10 / Surface 4). I am enjoying having flexibility in what tools I work with and how they work. A few frustrations along the way, but I really don't miss Mac's much at all. poo poo is absolutely cheaper and quality in PC hardware has come a long way. Competition does that, and my thanks to Apple for kicking the rear end of Microsoft / PC manufactures to get us here.

This thread is like finding out I wasn't alone.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:34

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

i prefer to call it conscious uncoupling op

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:45

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Microsoft releases an operating system that:

- Fails to unify UX, adding yet another layer onto the several layers of system configuration cruft that has accumulated over the last two decades or so
- Forces itself onto user's computers without permission and uses misleading dialog boxes to prevent people from opting-out. This breaks numerous systems due to poorly-thought-out scenarios on Microsofts end, and cause untold millions (possibly billions) of dollars in lost productivity due to factory and lab shutdowns, among other things where Windows 10 drivers simply were not available.
- Puts advertising in the start menu, the file manager, and several apps
- Puts Facebook games in its flagship enterprise product
- Tracks users through numerous means, surreptitiously evades prevention by overriding hosts file entries
- Forces updates on users in the name of security, but simultaneously removes patch notes from updates and combines "feature" and security updates
- Misses a "patch tuesday", enabling zero days to stay in the wild at least a month longer than necessary
- Ignores security flaw reports going back to 2016 forcing Google to release them under it's "Project Zero" policies. Microsoft chooses not take take advantage of the grace period offered
- Implements a system that dovetails with United States National Security Letters, allowing the US government control and targeting of every Windows 10 PC on the planet

And goons post fervently in defense of their company.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:47

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

its a good os

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:48

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Gazpacho posted:

mac was always bad, OP

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:53

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

Bloody posted:

its a good os

for me to poop on

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:53

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

infernal machines posted:

windows 10 comes with ubuntu now so there's no need to ever boot into an inferior os again

also source your quotes

it's handy for a few things but it's also missing most of the things that make linux useful

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:59

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

your os is a pos, op

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:59

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

atomicthumbs posted:

it's handy for a few things but it's also missing most of the things that make linux useful

lol "useful". like what?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:06

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

infernal machines posted:

lol "useful". like what?

you can't open windows programs from the terminal.

windows programs can't see into the ubuntu filesystem.

it's dumb

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:07

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

infernal machines posted:

Microsoft releases an operating system that:

- Fails to unify UX, adding yet another layer onto the several layers of system configuration cruft that has accumulated over the last two decades or so
- Forces itself onto user's computers without permission and uses misleading dialog boxes to prevent people from opting-out. This breaks numerous systems due to poorly-thought-out scenarios on Microsofts end, and cause untold millions (possibly billions) of dollars in lost productivity due to factory and lab shutdowns, among other things where Windows 10 drivers simply were not available.
- Puts advertising in the start menu, the file manager, and several apps
- Puts Facebook games in its flagship enterprise product
- Tracks users through numerous means, surreptitiously evades prevention by overriding hosts file entries
- Forces updates on users in the name of security, but simultaneously removes patch notes from updates and combines "feature" and security updates
- Misses a "patch tuesday", enabling zero days to stay in the wild at least a month longer than necessary
- Ignores security flaw reports going back to 2016 forcing Google to release them under it's "Project Zero" policies. Microsoft chooses not take take advantage of the grace period offered
- Implements a system that dovetails with United States National Security Letters, allowing the US government control and targeting of every Windows 10 PC on the planet

And goons post fervently in defense of their company.

those are all good reasons to use windows 7

and its not like product placement in windows is something new, has everyone forgotten that windows 95 was literally an AOL trial disk

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:45

Satellit3: Oct 21, 2008

infernal machines posted:

oh lmao

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:49

Radio Paranoia: Jun 27, 2010; It is now safe to turn off your computer.

infernal machines posted:

Microsoft releases an operating system that:

- Fails to unify UX, adding yet another layer onto the several layers of system configuration cruft that has accumulated over the last two decades or so
- Forces itself onto user's computers without permission and uses misleading dialog boxes to prevent people from opting-out. This breaks numerous systems due to poorly-thought-out scenarios on Microsofts end, and cause untold millions (possibly billions) of dollars in lost productivity due to factory and lab shutdowns, among other things where Windows 10 drivers simply were not available.
- Puts advertising in the start menu, the file manager, and several apps
- Puts Facebook games in its flagship enterprise product
- Tracks users through numerous means, surreptitiously evades prevention by overriding hosts file entries
- Forces updates on users in the name of security, but simultaneously removes patch notes from updates and combines "feature" and security updates
- Misses a "patch tuesday", enabling zero days to stay in the wild at least a month longer than necessary
- Ignores security flaw reports going back to 2016 forcing Google to release them under it's "Project Zero" policies. Microsoft chooses not take take advantage of the grace period offered
- Implements a system that dovetails with United States National Security Letters, allowing the US government control and targeting of every Windows 10 PC on the planet

And goons post fervently in defense of their company.

you're right, i should compile my own linux or spend a month's salary on a mid-tier mac

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:51

Radio Paranoia: Jun 27, 2010; It is now safe to turn off your computer.

also, win10 is free so...

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:53

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Radio Paranoia posted:

you're right, i should compile my own linux or spend a month's salary on a mid-tier mac

lol at this five figgie fucktard

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:53

Radio Paranoia: Jun 27, 2010; It is now safe to turn off your computer.

bump_fn posted:

lol at this five figgie fucktard

3rd world fucks up the figgies p hard

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:54

yellow borders: Jan 7, 2010

Gazpacho posted:

mac was always bad, OP

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:56

Satellit3: Oct 21, 2008

Radio Paranoia posted:

also, win10 is free so...

youre right. windows 10 is available for free.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:01

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

winblows
crapple

uhhhh i don't know a good unix one

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:03

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

eunuchs

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:11

Radio Paranoia: Jun 27, 2010; It is now safe to turn off your computer.

bump_fn posted:

winblows
crapple

uhhhh i don't know a good unix one

poonix

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:15

emoji: Jun 4, 2004

I dual boot El Capitan and Windows 8.1 and it's good. I also use iOS 9 on my iPhone 6S and it's good.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:15

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

i have sierra running in a vm, that's as close as i need to get to macos

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:17

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

work gave me both a mbp w/ sierra and a dell w/ windows 10 and i prefer the dell when i need to actually get poo poo done. sad but true... apple's bad.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:25

Radio Paranoia: Jun 27, 2010; It is now safe to turn off your computer.

GameCube posted:

work gave me both a mbp w/ sierra and a dell w/ windows 10 and i prefer the dell when i need to actually get poo poo done. sad but true... apple's bad.

i can work on a windows pc and get poo poo done, or i can work on a mac and have my productivity cut in half

also, my windows machine for work has never had problems. every mac there has to be formatted each quarter p much

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:29

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

build a hackintosh op

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:32

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

lol that that guy wants a unix for developing

i know "microsoft :h:

s linux" and all that, but the superior visual studio experience is still in windows

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:34

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

microsoft hearts linux so much that you can program for linux without having to use linux now. .net core bitches

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:38

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

macos visual studio is just xamarin studio/monodevelop with a fresh paint job. at this very moment i am clearing 83 notifications that the MSBuild:UpdateDesignTimeXaml code generator has crashed

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:39

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

spankmeister posted:

build a hackintosh op

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:53

Fabricated: Apr 9, 2007; Living the Dream

Gazpacho posted:

mac was always bad, OP

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:57

pram: Jun 10, 2001

akadajet posted:

I was a Windows guy (Win XP!) until roughly 2006 when I switched over to Mac because I loved OS X for software development in general. I still love OS X but is has been progressively shittier ever since they stopped doing the big cat codenames and switched over to calling the versions such incredibly retarded names as "El Capitan" and "Mavericks"

Anyway I think the time has come to call it quits with Apple. I am thinking of building a mid-tier gaming PC that I can also use for software development. I am wondering what is the best version of Windows to get for gaming (should I just go with Win 10?). For development, I really like that OS X is based on Unix (Darwin) and has a full fledged terminal. I'm thinking I might dual boot with some flavor of Linux and just use that for all my development (probably Ubuntu so I can keep using Sublime Text easily) because I've never been a big fan of Cygwin

Anybody in a similar predicament that can give me any tips on making the transition back? I'll still have my work-issue Macbook Pro retina until they force me to get one of the new Macbook Pro abominations.

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

I'm not switching back to a half-abandoned OS for underpowered and overpriced "gotta be thin at all costs" pieces of poo poo that their creators are literally dying to phase out in favour of tablets. Been there done that.

Nor am I making "this sacrifice" and "that sacrifice" and conceding to "well the scaling on high DPI is even worse, and touch is almost nonexistent" and "yeah we know the file picker still won't show a thumbnail view after about a 13 year old bug report, we don't know how to do it" that comes from running your favourite colour of server OS as some form of communist desktop. Been there done that too, it's a ballache, and FOSS devs are lazy as gently caress (because they're mostly unpaid)

Flipping a few switches is much quicker and easier than either a) spending the time necessary to earn an extra �1500 or so for something that is likely to be discontinued in 5-10 years, or b) spending hours configuring synclient so your trackpad resembles something almost-usable, dual booting for 80% of your games, pestering the devs for $raw_processing_suite in a 5 year old bug report complaining about how often it bombs out with a segfault in the middle of tweaking a photo, etc etc.

infernal machines posted:

Yeah this was me, except I kept the iPhone. The transition at first felt like meeting an old friend and discovering his sister was pretty hot (Windows 10 / Surface 4). I am enjoying having flexibility in what tools I work with and how they work. A few frustrations along the way, but I really don't miss Mac's much at all. poo poo is absolutely cheaper and quality in PC hardware has come a long way. Competition does that, and my thanks to Apple for kicking the rear end of Microsoft / PC manufactures to get us here.

This thread is like finding out I wasn't alone.

infernal machines posted:

Microsoft releases an operating system that:

- Fails to unify UX, adding yet another layer onto the several layers of system configuration cruft that has accumulated over the last two decades or so
- Forces itself onto user's computers without permission and uses misleading dialog boxes to prevent people from opting-out. This breaks numerous systems due to poorly-thought-out scenarios on Microsofts end, and cause untold millions (possibly billions) of dollars in lost productivity due to factory and lab shutdowns, among other things where Windows 10 drivers simply were not available.
- Puts advertising in the start menu, the file manager, and several apps
- Puts Facebook games in its flagship enterprise product
- Tracks users through numerous means, surreptitiously evades prevention by overriding hosts file entries
- Forces updates on users in the name of security, but simultaneously removes patch notes from updates and combines "feature" and security updates
- Misses a "patch tuesday", enabling zero days to stay in the wild at least a month longer than necessary
- Ignores security flaw reports going back to 2016 forcing Google to release them under it's "Project Zero" policies. Microsoft chooses not take take advantage of the grace period offered
- Implements a system that dovetails with United States National Security Letters, allowing the US government control and targeting of every Windows 10 PC on the planet

And goons post fervently in defense of their company.

this

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:12

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

I'm not switching back to a half-abandoned OS for underpowered and overpriced "gotta be thin at all costs" pieces of poo poo that their creators are literally dying to phase out in favour of tablets. Been there done that.

Nor am I making "this sacrifice" and "that sacrifice" and conceding to "well the scaling on high DPI is even worse, and touch is almost nonexistent" and "yeah we know the file picker still won't show a thumbnail view after about a 13 year old bug report, we don't know how to do it" that comes from running your favourite colour of server OS as some form of communist desktop. Been there done that too, it's a ballache, and FOSS devs are lazy as gently caress (because they're mostly unpaid)

Flipping a few switches is much quicker and easier than either a) spending the time necessary to earn an extra �1500 or so for something that is likely to be discontinued in 5-10 years, or b) spending hours configuring synclient so your trackpad resembles something almost-usable, dual booting for 80% of your games, pestering the devs for $raw_processing_suite in a 5 year old bug report complaining about how often it bombs out with a segfault in the middle of tweaking a photo, etc etc.

Wait are you talking about linux or osx? Like is the software thin or are the devices thin?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:14

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 00:00

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

macbook thin

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:25

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