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 Goon goomah Edgar Wright's 2010 film, Scott Pilgrim v. The World (do NOT confuse with Beavis) has been alternatively celebrated and condemned by various critics and viewpoints over the 6 1/2 years since its release. While some condemn its slightly dated pop-culture, its undefined characters, or unnecessarily breakneck pace, others appreciate the density of its presentation, the strength of its cast, or how it conveys the experience of being both Canadian and Millenial. Neither question, though, is why I present this topic to you. Is Scott Pilgrim v. The World a feminist film? Does Scott's obvious flaws and inability to grow past them without the women in his life represent the story of a protagonist who develops a full sense of empathy? Or does his dick-headed pursuit of Ramona, to the detriment of Knives, Stacy, Julie, and Kim dominate the film and suffocate other perspectives? Just curious what GBS thinks.
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Michael Cera is a woman so yeah
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Apr 9, 2017 18:47
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ditty bout my clitty posted:Michael Cera is a woman so yeah
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Apr 9, 2017 18:48
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ditty bout my clitty posted:Michael Cera is a woman so yeah And there you have folks. This thread is over.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:48
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I like all the complete fantasy unrealistic parts like where lots of women wanted to sleep with Micheal Cera.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:52
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I wish Michael Cera would die.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:56
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ok i'm gonna ask a question and i need you to be honest with me: what is scott pilgrim?
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Apr 9, 2017 18:56
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Casimir Radon posted:I wish Michael Cera would die. he aint allowed to die til arrested development season 5 is done
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Apr 9, 2017 18:57
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quote:Did you know that the original name for Pac-Man was Puck-Man? You'd think it was because he looks like a hockey puck but it actually comes from the Japanese phrase 'Paku-Paku,' which means to flap one's mouth open and closed. They changed it because they thought Puck-Man would be too easy to vandalize, you know, like people could just scratch off the P and turn it into an F or whatever. nah just fuckin with ya Scott Pilgrim is the Canadian version of a fuccboi
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Apr 9, 2017 18:59
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Universe Master posted:I like all the complete fantasy unrealistic parts like where lots of women wanted to sleep with Micheal Cera. This is every Michael Cera movie
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Apr 9, 2017 19:06
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It may well be a feminist film, but I can say with certainty it is not a good film.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:07
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I liked the movie because I muddled my way through that late 2000's proto-hipster era without any idea what the gently caress was going on at the time, so seeing it on the big screen gave me a sense of closure
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Apr 9, 2017 19:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_LAi0dleU
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Apr 9, 2017 19:12
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Scott was dating a high school girl. He was a pedophile. So no it's not a feminist film, it's another patriarchy infused propaganda to normalize children as whores to grown mens desire.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:13
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The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:13
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3 A.M. Radio posted:The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over. Also that
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Apr 9, 2017 19:14
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Captain America was good in it.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:15
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i guess my question is, in 2010, did Scott Pilgrim get the jump on that kind of "accepting" "feminist" "neo-masculinity" where Scott incessantly talks about his emotions, involving as many in his internal world as possible, while ultimately making every interaction about himself and the quickest route from X to emotional validation? Was Scott Pilgrim the kind of guy that thinkpieces today are written about, on Medium and Thoughtcatalogue, about "male feminists"? (Should Ramona have just hosed Stephen Stills, the poor man's Wolverine, or literally anyone but Scott?)
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Apr 9, 2017 19:15
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3 A.M. Radio posted:The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over. is your friend single
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Apr 9, 2017 19:15
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3 A.M. Radio posted:The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:16
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Tolkien minority posted:he aint allowed to die til arrested development season 5 is done Dear god, imagine how gangly he'll be by then.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:17
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men never fight over women in real life
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Apr 9, 2017 19:17
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no, OP, it's a poo poo film
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Apr 9, 2017 19:17
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Tricky D posted:Dear god, imagine how gangly he'll be by then. I'd rather deny Canada Michael Cera's goofy face than bring back that corpse another time three years of mocking the Bush admin and nothing more
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Apr 9, 2017 19:19
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the part where macauly culkins brother heckles that band is the funniest part
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Apr 9, 2017 19:22
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ditty bout my clitty posted:Michael Cera is a woman so yeah
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Apr 9, 2017 19:52
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Blue Raider posted:the part where macauly culkins brother heckles that band is the funniest part
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Apr 9, 2017 19:56
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Scott pilgrim is a beta bitch The movie is a cautionary tale to young men. Lift weights, do drugs, and work hard or you'll end up like this bitch boy burn out.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:00
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i mean i get where you come from, Sam Hyde but waifish cuck Scott bangs Brie Larson, Alison Pill, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, and seduces a teenage girl as well before deciding he wants to only bang ME Winstead so maybe we should evaluate the film as it is presented rather than our preconceptions of "Mike Cera is a gay manbaby" edit: you have distracted me from the central question of this thread: does scott embody toxic masculinity
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Apr 9, 2017 20:21
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3 A.M. Radio posted:The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over. she isnt wrong
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Apr 9, 2017 20:24
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don't get me wrong 3AM's friend I think I agree but scott is, like, a really lovely person does the film acknowledge this in a constructive way?
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Apr 9, 2017 20:27
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Mameluke posted:i mean i get where you come from, Sam Hyde Those all were pity fucks. Also a real man stands by his woman and doesn't sleep around like a cheating tramp. He's an insecure beta bitch that can't handle a relationship let alone his own identity. If your idea of being a man is getting used once by a woman and thrown in the trash like one of her cotton balls, then lol just lol.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:28
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3 A.M. Radio posted:The only self-proclaimed "feminist" I know absolutely hates the movie, and says the women in the movie are treated as prizes to be fought over.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:29
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women are part of the world, and scott pilgrim is vs them, so i'd say it's more vs women than for them
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Apr 9, 2017 20:32
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Snatch Duster posted:If your idea of being a man is getting used once by a woman and thrown in the trash like one of her cotton balls, then lol just lol. God yeah ugh hate when that happens, again and again, woman after woman, yes oh god yes YES, give it to me, Kevin; it is your turn now, to wear the handcuffs,,
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Snatch Duster posted:Those all were pity fucks. Also a real man stands by his woman and doesn't sleep around like a cheating tramp. He's an insecure beta bitch that can't handle a relationship let alone his own identity. honestly OP I think we agree, Scott is the "protagonist" but he is definitely not the "hero," he is a lovely manwhore who's weak to the point that self-awareness is the end of his hero's journey i'm not sure which of the film's women uses Scott once like a cottonball though, like he dates Envy, Kim, Knives, and Ramona for some time, Stacy is his sister, and Julie is just a supernatural figure of hate so idk whatchu say
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Apr 9, 2017 20:32
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Mameluke posted:don't get me wrong 3AM's friend I think I agree not really. the film tries to jam in a you-gotta-believe-in-yourself message when that was the opposite of scott pilgrim's problem. his problem was that he was a shitlord to his friends and women that tried to hide in his own willful ignorance e: like after ramona bails on him due to her fear of commitment he goes around propositioning every girl he knows for casual sex including the high-school girl he cheated on. A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 20:33
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A big flaming stink posted:not really. the film tries to jam in a you-gotta-believe-in-yourself message when that was the opposite of scott pilgrim's problem. his problem was that he was a shitlord to his friends and women that tried to hide in his own willful ignorance well in the end, he faces off with gideon twice. the first time he goes up against the big dog himself and fails. second time he allows kim, ramona, and knives to support him and succeeds. and gideon doesn't really count, he's just an extension of scott's feelings. he gets the whole "power of love" earlier in the film, and the "power of self-respect" in the ending, but they don't do poo poo on their own. scott's still an infidel. they're all internal. his biggest victory is conquering the same self-hatred he faced while dating knives, in reconciling with nega-scott. e: the film focuses way more on Ramona than the comics and he doesn't really move on from her at all. instead i feel it proposes all his encounters with women as steps in his own growth, which wouldn't be a great message if the film didn't position itself so much as scott's own perspective Mameluke fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 20:42
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Mameluke posted:honestly OP I think we agree, Scott is the "protagonist" but he is definitely not the "hero," he is a lovely manwhore who's weak to the point that self-awareness is the end of his hero's journey I think Scott pilgrim being a selfish useless dick is intentionally subverting the "young man coming of age as the hero" trope. Like on purpose. I don't know if the movie was good enough to actually convey that convincingly
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alls i know is that its a poo poo movie for retards
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